WenericMember Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 When alignments & rifts were first introduced, Wagstaff seemed to be the preferred benefactor by the community. Since then though, a lot has happened: Wagstaff left the survivors to in Host of Horrors after Wx-78 Wagstaff robbed theatergoers in the aftermath of the earthquake Wagstaff abandoned Wobot when it broke down and now Charlie led Wendy & Winona to Abigail and protected Abigail's flower from the Catcoon, which seems to be confirmed: So, has any of this changed your opinion on which alignment you support? And, for fun, what is your main and which alignment do you believe they'd support? Personally, I'd align with Charlie presently, as I'd prefer to have someone antagonistic that helps you from the shadows then someone who is friendly but will backstab you at the earliest opportunity. I think Wendy would be shadow aligned, primarily due to the celestial crown (and by extension Alter), making it more difficult to see Abigail, and Charlie seems at least somewhat protective of her in this short. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wormboi Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 I feel like wendy would just side with whoever could revived her sister Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 Charlie. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted August 2, 2024 Author Share Posted August 2, 2024 6 minutes ago, Wormboi said: I feel like wendy would just side with whoever could revived her sister She absolutely would, but the fact of the matter is we don't actually know if it's even possible to resurrect Abigail, so that isn't helpful at the present. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 I'm leaning toward Charlie so far because her "end goal" seems to be more about her shadow monster subjects and not much of a reason to harm the survivors. But for Wagstaff, I suspect he has no "end goal" at all, just an insatiable thirst for knowledge and power, and sooner or later he'll have to do what Charlie did again. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738669 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 I have a bias toward shadows naturally, I love them edgy and dark stuff. Charlie also seems like a more likable character than Wagstaff, who wants to manipulate Alter's powers for his own interest. Of course, her dealing the final blow to Fuelweaver is interesting too compared to Wagstaff taking the Enlightened Shard for his use. She seems to mostly leave the survivors alone after the ANR bosses, and I think the Ancient Gateway would be the one to be the next shadow antagonist as opposed to her. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 Alter > Charlie > Wagstaff > Them Final answer. Also I main Wormwood so... uh yeah Alter allegiance forever. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DegenerateFurry Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 I see a difference between lunar and Wagstaff. Wagstaff's doing stuff with lunar energy, but the moon doesn't seem to be all that happy about it (they did destroy his machine with the Celestial Champion, after all). He's his own side. The moon seems overall somewhat more benevolent, but extremely alien. They (Charlie's side) are pretty blatantly evil. They corrupt and kill and turn you insane. They imprison and deceive you and actively sabotage you. They have actively kidnapped people from other worlds and destroyed an entire civilization. It's pretty clear that They are bad guys, but at least Alter/the moon seems slightly more ambiguous? I know which I'd personally side with. As for what my character would side with: Warly was presumably one of the victims of shadow kidnapping and as a result, his Maman is left to deal with her Alzheimer's disease alone. He probably has no strong love for the shadows, at least if he's aware that they're responsible for him being here. I imagine he might side with the moon in the hopes of escaping. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 Honestly, Charlie is cooler. Wagstaff doesn't hit the right with all the mechanical stuff but we also haven't seen that much of Alter's power to show THAT much influence besides having alien like decor and food we get from gifts given from lunar island. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BudinDePan Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 I want a happy ending for Charlie and Winona (dumb hopes?), and feel sorry for all what happened to Charlie (damn you Maxwell) so all the way i choose her. I think Webber would be shadow aligned too. The boy dont even remember, or never knew, what wagstaff did, but the spider half do remember and the boy half is aware of the spider half distrust. So out of discard they would go shadow and not lunar in my opinion. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropo Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 I personally don't think any of the forces at play deserve any support. Siding with Lunar or Shadow is essentially choosing which prison you want to be a part of. We are just pawns in a game played by two powerful factions, we are their prize, their food, their bodies. I don't consider Wagstaff or Charlie to be the de-facto rulers of the respective factions, they are just middle-management for forces they don't entirely understand with their own personal reasons and desires for using those factions. Gestalts are literally stealing the bodies of dead creatures and walking in their skin. I strongly suspect that when a gestalt attacks the player, it is trying to possess them but fails due the player still being alive (or already being possessed like Wormwood.) You might say that's "kind of" ok because they're only going after the deceased, and that's not entirely hostile but one major thing that is common among lunar entities is forcing living beings around them to fall asleep. They are trying to put you into a position where you are unable to support yourself, so you can perish of natural causes(or they can kill you with semi-physical bodies). The shadows at the very least seem to give you a temporary benefit before they take their toll. They're like a loan shark, giving you something you desire before they pull the wool over your eyes and rob you of everything you have. The only beef they likely have with each other is that they're both invading on each others "turf", they're the white and black players of a cosmological game of chess, and we're just their pieces on the board. At the end of the day it doesn't matter which side wins, because we will lose. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 Alter. Not wagstaff. anyone who votes for shadow has stockholm syndrome Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted August 2, 2024 Author Share Posted August 2, 2024 23 minutes ago, Ohan said: Alter. Not wagstaff. anyone who votes for shadow has stockholm syndrome If you're separating alter from Wagstaff you can also separate Charlie from Them imo, and Charlie at least cares about Winona and now maybe Wendy & Abigail. I think the thing for a lot of people is that Alter isn't really actively involved, it's power is just being siphoned off by Wagstaff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waoling Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 39 minutes ago, cropo said: We are just pawns in a game played by two powerful factions, we are their prize, their food, their bodies. I don't consider Wagstaff or Charlie to be the de-facto rulers of the respective factions, they are just middle-management for forces they don't entirely understand with their own personal reasons and desires for using those factions. Because you're thinking in lovecraftian mind set, not the god killer mind set. I belive the human who manipulate the two divine entity aren't as powerful as the divine entity themselves, but they're certainly more free, and does a lot more to the world than the divine entity does by itself. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 50 minutes ago, WenericMember said: If you're separating alter from Wagstaff you can also separate Charlie from Them imo, and Charlie at least cares about Winona and now maybe Wendy & Abigail. I think the thing for a lot of people is that Alter isn't really actively involved, it's power is just being siphoned off by Wagstaff. I just dont find either wagstaff or charlie storylines very interesting tbh. Theyre just annoying middlemen to me . I wish we couldve interacted more directly with Alter and the shadow side. Thats why i really appreciate Wormwood’s alignment skill discriptions. Hes not getting stuff from wagstaff but from within himself which is alter’s energy. Everything about Alter is just really neat and interesting. It strongly reminds me of the book/movie Annihilation which i love. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WenericMember Posted August 2, 2024 Author Share Posted August 2, 2024 5 minutes ago, Ohan said: I just dont find either wagstaff or charlie storylines very interesting tbh. Theyre just annoying middlemen to me . I wish we couldve interacted more directly with Alter and the shadow side. Thats why i really appreciate Wormwood’s alignment skill discriptions. Hes not getting stuff from wagstaff but from within himself which is alter’s energy. Everything about Alter is just really neat and interesting. It strongly reminds me of the book/movie Annihilation which i love. I imagine, as neither path is mutually exclusive, in the future both Charlie and Wagstaff will bite off more the can chew, resulting in Them and Alter having a more direct influence in the constant. Until then though, the choice is mostly between the two people. But it appears the common consensus RN in terms of trustworthiness is Alter>Charlie>Wagstaff>Them, which I agree with. Based on the prompt lunar/shadow though, I'd choose shadow as Alter is currently just being taken advantage of by Wagstaff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormwood123 Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 I love the moon and the moon loves my plant boi Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 5 minutes ago, WenericMember said: Based on the prompt lunar/shadow though, I'd choose shadow as Alter is currently just being taken advantage of by Wagstaff Yeah thats why i find wagstaff in particular just annoying and uninteresting. Especially because we’re forced to help wagstaff with this if we want to experience lunar content. Like let me get to know Alter klei i really dont care about wagstaff or what hes trying to do lol 7 minutes ago, WenericMember said: I imagine, as neither path is mutually exclusive, in the future both Charlie and Wagstaff will bite off more the can chew, resulting in Them and Alter having a more direct influence in the constant. That would be interesting! 7 minutes ago, WenericMember said: Until then though, the choice is mostly between the two people. True. When i play the game though i tend to just ignore the whole middlemen thing and pretend their storylines arent happening like i pretend im not helping wagstaff / harming alter when i do the lunar questline Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropo Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 In terms of gameplay I go by how cool the stuff looks and for me Brightshade just looks a tad bit cooler. Void armor has this evil warlock vibe to it while Brightshade armor has this Ye' olde knight look to it. It's a close match, but if future lunar content is going to be Knight themed(I hope it is, but understand if it isn't) I'll probably be sticking to lunar side. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waoling Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 1 hour ago, Ohan said: Yeah thats why i find wagstaff in particular just annoying and uninteresting. Especially because we’re forced to help wagstaff with this if we want to experience lunar content. Like let me get to know Alter klei i really dont care about wagstaff or what hes trying to do lol I don't think that the two entity really have any personality, it's like you want to know how the Sun feel, both of them are just a cosmic force with some will to them, but they're being who don't really go beyond their base purpose. You expect it to be a story about the cosmic force, but in actually the true battle is between the element of humanity. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738734 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BleedingAlien Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 I personally wouldn't go for either alignment cause I really don't trust either side since they're both just bad news and will just give you trouble. BUT if I have to choose a side I'd probably go with shadows, simply cause I just trust Charlie way more than Wagstaff and I at least know full well what THEY are capable of. As for my mains I have several, but going with just my top three I pretty sure they mostly prefer lunar. Webber I can't see really choosing a side himself cause he's just a kid and has good reasons not to trust either side, but Wormwood and WX-78 are definitely going with the moon for obvious reasons. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NPCMaxwell Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 Most difficult question ever: Character: I voted for shadow because in DST I mostly play Maxwell and he is "the shadow person" for me. But then if I played Wilson in DST more I would assign him to lunar side because I consider him more drawn towards Wagstaff. And me, that IS indeed the most difficult question ever as I couldn't quite decide by which qualities to go. When it comes towards my sympathy towards Wagstaff or Charlie I would change all the time, chosing Wagstaff for considering him a fellow "science fan", probably even believing he could give me redemption for my past "mistakes" or that working with him could make me feel functional to help him with his research instead of failing from being too engulfed by my personal problems. And then I would run to Charlie again because I adore the idea of her being my shadow queen to worship, protect, work for, and destroy / watch her enemies suffer. When it comes to my preference in /aesthetic/ I would choose shadow side without a doubt, as they fit quite well with my own favourite OCs so I would probably choose shadow AND suggest Charlie to add my OCs as new shadow side mobs. If one would give me any other reason I'd probably be stuck in I-choose-nobody-limbo. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738752 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted August 2, 2024 Share Posted August 2, 2024 i dont know, i would need to see every characters skill tree to make any sort of knowing what they would go Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted August 3, 2024 Share Posted August 3, 2024 Webber with unnatural energy Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcwell Posted August 3, 2024 Share Posted August 3, 2024 As of the last animated short I am obligated to side lunar because Charlie has declared war against catcoons. Spoiler Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/158805-which-force-of-the-constant-has-your-support-post-hide-and-seek/#findComment-1738921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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