log suit is far superior to football helmet

[Balter]

Let me explain, all it costs is some wood and rope which can be easily amassed. I typically carry around 20 rope and a few stacks of wood which can be farmed quickly hiring pigs with a few morsels.

Second by using pig skin for armor you are potentially losing out on offense such as the hambat. So many times do I see someone with a helmet and spear and I just smh. that being said you only need a single pigskin and thats for a weapon when doing ruins.

On top of this you can also invest pigskin into making more houses.

PS: I also believe the raincoat requiring only a science machine is way better than the eyebella.

[zhangsheng]

Firstly, four pieces of monster meat are approximately equal to two pieces of meat and one pigskin. Unless for special roles, pigskin is not lacking. Even special characters can destroy the pig house to obtain a large amount of pigskin.
Secondly, the Log suit occupies the body compartment, which conflicts with backpacks and magiluminescences. This means that during battle, you can only discard a portion of your inventory (more evident on Willow) and level 2 acceleration.
Finally, football helmet materials actually occupy less inventory space. Because the stacking limit of wood is relatively small, a group of wood can only make 2 log suits.

[Catuna_]

both logs and pigskin are extremely cheap but football helmet is preferable as it leaves your body slot open for things like higher tier armor or magiluminescence or backpack or maybe raincoat and since only 1 pig skin is required for a football helmet and it stacks to 40 (logs stack to 20) you can essentially carry a lot more football helmets (so armor) than you could log suits with a lot more space efficiency
by spring you'd probably have an alchemy engine so the lower science requirement is quite irrelevant, and eyebrella keeps your body slot free like with the football helmet so its preferred by many although i think the rain coat is pretty good too

[Balter]

Pigskin is pretty scarce on public servers if you haven’t noticed most servers have smashed houses everywhere you wont always have pigskin with 4 monster meats. My method mostly rids this problem.

Also what is a backpack? I never heard of such a thing.

[Mike23Ua]

If I’m going to wear a suit of armor it’s going to be Marble and not Log Suit.

But DST suffers from being a multiplayer game, using these types of Armors is not a very Viable option because you have to drop your backpack on the ground and anyone can steal it.

Klei does NOT make multiplayer troll limiting measures such as Lego Fortnites “this pack belongs to another player”

So the moment you drop your backpack to suit up in Armor other players look at you with sad Otter eyes and go “May I Haz?”

DST really needs to restructure how that works…

They can do it like Fortnite, or State of Decay 2 but either way… dropping your inventory on the ground for other players to snag up is not preferable.

[loopuleasa]

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[Gashzer]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

If I’m going to wear a suit of armor it’s going to be Marble and not Log Suit.

But DST suffers from being a multiplayer game, using these types of Armors is not a very Viable option because you have to drop your backpack on the ground and anyone can steal it.

Klei does NOT make multiplayer troll limiting measures such as Lego Fortnites “this pack belongs to another player”

So the moment you drop your backpack to suit up in Armor other players look at you with sad Otter eyes and go “May I Haz?”

DST really needs to restructure how that works…

They can do it like Fortnite, or State of Decay 2 but either way… dropping your inventory on the ground for other players to snag up is not preferable.

If you are going to wear a suit of armour its going to the snurtle shell armour. 

100% protection... Quickly and easily farmed, same durability as marble suit, no one even blinks at slurtle mounds so never have to worry about them being griefed.

Walter is very op because of woby's inventory. You can stock up on snurtle armour and not worry about needing a backpack. His downside doesnt exist with 100% protection.

[grm9]

5 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

If you are going to wear a suit of armour its going to the snurtle shell armour. 

100% protection... Quickly and easily farmed, same durability as marble suit, no one even blinks at slurtle mounds so never have to worry about them being griefed.

Walter is very op because of woby's inventory. You can stock up on snurtle armour and not worry about needing a backpack. His downside doesnt exist with 100% protection

if you're going to rely on reacting to attacks, why not just kite at that point?

[Maxil20]

1 hour ago, Balter said:

Pigskin is pretty scarce on public servers

Unless people are actively gorging the pig skin supply, there is more than enough pig skin to go around, especially from touch stone setpieces which provide 8 each. Ham bats are nice, but you shouldn’t really have issues maintaining using a pig skin every ~5 days to upkeep the hambat freshness while maintaining using football helmets. This is especially moot if someone smashes the forest pig houses (not the houses in pig tows, the lonesome ones in the forest that are usually out of the way) and brings them back to a central base to setup a pig farm to consistently farm skins every full moon.

If anything, I feel like armors like log suits need to be buffed. Head armor is almost always the preferrable choice in 9 out of 10 occasions, and I wish body armors could stand out a bit better. Even something simple like reverting the durability nerf on body armors like the log/thule suit would go a bit of a log way in helping them stand out.

 

[abrocator]

Maybe this is true in chaotic pubs. But in my experience wood/logs is the hardest resource to amass both early and late game.

[Gashzer]

1 hour ago, grm9 said:

if you're going to rely on reacting to attacks, why not just kite at that point?

I kite with the snurtle armour, if i feel like im about to fail a kite ill hide in it at the very last moment.

Its a more reliable version of wigfrids battle rond as you can spam the hide to block the likes of 2 bishops shooting at you at different timings.

Its also good for tanking annoying bosses like AFW when combined with a thulecite crown to boost snurtle armour longevity.

[grm9]

3 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

I kite with the snurtle armour, if i feel like im about to fail a kite ill hide in it at the very last moment

and if you don't you take 40% damage instead of 20% with other armors that you can get faster and you might've dodged if you would've had magi equipped instead

4 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

2 bishops shooting at you at different timings

that and not getting out of FW bone cage're pretty much the only situations that it's better in comparison to armor in 

[Gashzer]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

and if you don't you take 40% damage instead of 20% with other armors that you can get faster and you might've dodged if you would've had magi equipped instead

Nah the reaction timing for the snurtle armour is so lenient compared to regular kiting. You very rarely miss a parry with it.

Most bosses are kited easy enough at base speed. Even the ones that arnt you can farm about 7 snurtle shells in about a day of farming which is enough to tank any boss.

This topic is about readily accessible armours on pubs if most of the resources are gone. Someone could have rushed ruins before you joined and took all the yellow gems and thulecite.

In which case snurtle armour is by far the best equipment to use in this situation to allow you to reliably fight bosses with.

[Theukon-dos]

Hmmmm. No.

4 hours ago, Balter said:

Let me explain, all it costs is some wood and rope which can be easily amassed. I typically carry around 20 rope and a few stacks of wood which can be farmed quickly hiring pigs with a few morsels.

If you're befriending pigs, then you can just get them to kill each other for more meat and pig skin. And if I'm wrong about being able to start pig civil wars, you can just get them to attack something stronger to kill them for you. Or feed them one at a time to lure them from the others and kill them off that way. Sure, Pig Skin isn't guaranteed from pigs, but it's still a pretty common drop. And if you have monster meat, you can just turn them into werepigs to guarantee the skin drop and get extra meat to boot.

4 hours ago, Balter said:

Second by using pig skin for armor you are potentially losing out on offense such as the hambat. So many times do I see someone with a helmet and spear and I just smh. that being said you only need a single pigskin and thats for a weapon when doing ruins.

First issue here, the Hambat isn't the end-all be-all weapon. It's definitely fantastic early on, but once you get to winter-spring you should be able to switch to Dark Swords as your main weapon. Tree Guards are easy to kite, drop enough logs for six swords on every kill, and are spawned just by farming wood, which you're going to inevitably have to do anyways.

Second, it assumes that Pig Skin is a rare, or in otherwise limited supply resource, when it really isn't. Early on, any touch stone set pieces you find give a respectable 8 pig skin each, and pigs are too stupid to get mad at you for smashing their houses, so every one of those you hammer gives an additional 2 pig skin and other valuable resources. Even late game, if you somehow use all of the pig skin in the world without setting up a pig farm, you can still get a lot more by doing the moonstone event sense that spawns a ton of Werepigs. It's a very common resource when you're actively looking for it. And is still pretty common when you're not. A quick aside:

4 hours ago, Balter said:

Pigskin is pretty scarce on public servers if you haven’t noticed most servers have smashed houses everywhere you wont always have pigskin with 4 monster meats. My method mostly rids this problem.

Pubs are their own demon. And while I'll concede that log suits would probably be a lot easier to get on disorganized hellscapes that pubs can often be, in your first post you mentioned using pigs to cut trees, which means you do have access to pigs and thus pig skin.

 

5 hours ago, Balter said:

On top of this you can also invest pigskin into making more houses.

Which means more pig skin and thus more football helmets.

 

In addition to all those other things, what really sets football helmets above log suits generally speaking is oppertunity cost. Obviously you can only equip 1 piece of equipment onto each equipment slot. But the body slot has much more valuable items that can go in there compared to the head slot.

If you wear a football helmet, then items you can wear along side it include the backpack, magiluminessence, lifegiving amulet, or another armor with 95% protection.

But if you wear a log suit, your options include the bee queen crown, the enlightened crown, and armor upto 90% protection. Certainly still good, but most of the better head options are locked behind raid bosses.

[arubaro]

It depends of what do you need and what you have. That was the great thing about dont starve equipment..

[ChintzyGnat]

Ngl I think theulsite crown is better than football helmet but this could be a hot take...

[mima_]

depend on ur playstyle. i guess u play walter .. so yes using log suit when u have pinetree pioneer hat on.
walter can take alot of items cus of woby. so carrying multiple stacks of wood is no problem.
but other cant relate that. cus a stack of grass and stack of pigskin can give u whole lot more than carrying wobby full of log suits 

[kroban]

Everyone seems to forget about cookie cutter helmet, that thing is underrated as hell, for some characters is way easier to stack cookie cutter shells than constantly having to farm pigskins (Wendy, Walter, and Maxwell can pretty much semi-afk farm it). It is 10% less protective than a football helm but has a larger HP pool, meaning that if you use it along another piece of armor with higher % , like marble suit, it should last you way longer than a pigskin helm while protecting as the higher % suit.

Also this update made it even easier to farm since you can now ignore salt formation colission and I think you can even put some marotters nearby and they would make a passive farm of cookie cutters 

[Jakepeng99]

The 3 extra grass is extremely expensive.

[goblinball]

I think I honestly prefer the football helmet recipe. Wood and rope are plentiful and easy to get, yes, but they are also needed in sooooo many other recipes, so I try to minimize the amount of wood and grass I need since otherwise I’m going to be collecting both of those all the time. Pigskin isn’t in nearly as many recipes, and I’m probably going to be setting up a pig farm anyways for the meat. 

[abrocator]

2 hours ago, kroban said:

Everyone seems to forget about cookie cutter helmet, that thing is underrated as hell, for some characters is way easier to stack cookie cutter shells than constantly having to farm pigskins (Wendy, Walter, and Maxwell can pretty much semi-afk farm it). It is 10% less protective than a football helm but has a larger HP pool, meaning that if you use it along another piece of armor with higher % , like marble suit, it should last you way longer than a pigskin helm while protecting as the higher % suit.

Interesting. This might also be viable for characters with a large health pool.

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Also this update made it even easier to farm since you can now ignore salt formation colission and I think you can even put some marotters nearby and they would make a passive farm of cookie cutters 

In my experience yes since a naturally spawning one has caused them to kill a lot of cookie cutters without the cookie cutters sinking the marotter platform.

[DegenerateFurry]

13 hours ago, Balter said:

Let me explain, all it costs is some wood and rope which can be easily amassed. I typically carry around 20 rope and a few stacks of wood which can be farmed quickly hiring pigs with a few morsels.

Second by using pig skin for armor you are potentially losing out on offense such as the hambat. So many times do I see someone with a helmet and spear and I just smh. that being said you only need a single pigskin and thats for a weapon when doing ruins.

On top of this you can also invest pigskin into making more houses.

You know what's better than either? The Shield of Terror + Eye Mask combo. Say goodbye to carrying around wood, pig skin, twigs, meat, and grass in addition to a weapon and armor item! Say hello to just the shield, mask, and rot or monster meat! Sure, a fresh ham bat does a bit more damage per hit, but it won't be fresh for long. This combo also keeps your body slot free for magiluminescence/chilling amulet (for summer)/backpack or even chest armor (to extend durability) purposes. 

[ShadowDuelist]

13 hours ago, Balter said:

Pigskin is pretty scarce on public servers if you haven’t noticed most servers have smashed houses everywhere you wont always have pigskin with 4 monster meats. My method mostly rids this problem.

11 hours ago, Maxil20 said:

Unless people are actively gorging the pig skin supply, there is more than enough pig skin to go around, especially from touch stone setpieces which provide 8 each.

OP has a point here. 

While I don't agree that the log suit is better (I think having head slot armor is always better), my typical pub server experience means that people WILL destroy everything that has pig skin in its components in about 10 days, so good luck crafting a football helmet if you were a late joiner.
If the server is populated with 3+ "ruins rushers", pigs can go extinct as fast as day 5.

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The funny thing is that most of the players hoarding the initial pig skin of the world, will die before the first winter at some random location, and have all their pig skin eaten by a spider or burned.

So if you want to play in such environment, you need to find workarounds.

My usual go-to before the current skill trees, was always not even bothering to find pig skin and rush night armor/dark sword. And if I get to be lucky and find 4 pig skins somewhere, just make a beefalo saddle and go beefalo.

Fortunately, as the updates keep changing the game, a lot of characters have their own workarounds now, which is kinda cool really. You can adapt your skill tree for "chaotic pub server early game" should the need arise.

[Evelo]

Why not both?

[Maxil20]

37 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

Fortunately, as the updates keep changing the game, a lot of characters have their own workarounds now, which is kinda cool really.

I do agree with this, admittedly. It is nice that the “go to” isn’t just football helmets or a Wigfrid making battle helms for everyone. Heck, the eye of terror is technically a universal character one (albeit isn’t exactly the most ideal for pubs with the respawn time of 20 days…)