Why is maxwell so short

[WolfgangIsBest]

Maxwell is short af in dst. Mighty Wolfgang is even taller then Maxwell.

[NPCMaxwell]

34 minutes ago, WolfgangIsBest said:

Maxwell is short af in dst. Mighty Wolfgang is even taller then Maxwell.

Yummy bait. I am working on that, just give me some more time. (And since I adore Wolfgang, who is among my favourite characters by far based on his lore and official non-ingame artwork, I almost consider giving him a taller mod character redrawn as well, maybe in some years if I ever get better at this and find enough energy for it. Maybe not with custom gameplay like for my current project, but it has always annoyed me how a friendly giant has such tiny in game sprites. [obviously I would also have to redraw his non-mighty sprites so if I ever do this it would take some time to make preparations on how to handle this.])

Also I totally agree with you, tiny maxwell is unbearable to me. So this post here has no ability to annoy me, rather to make me happy someone is on my side.

[Brago-sama]

Tinder bio: 6'2

In real life:

[WolfgangIsBest]

11 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said:

So this post here has no ability to annoy me, rather to make me happy someone is on my side.

Yeah Ik i randomly become an idiot about the Wolfgang thing, it’s just at random times I feel like saying EXACTLY what I’m thinking, without actually thinking about it. Wolfgang is still my #1 no matter what tho

[NPCMaxwell]

4 minutes ago, WolfgangIsBest said:

Yeah Ik i randomly become an idiot about the Wolfgang thing, it’s just at random times I feel like saying EXACTLY what I’m thinking, without actually thinking about it. Wolfgang is still my #1 no matter what tho

It's ok I understand you! Wolfgang is one of the characters I adore most, too, especially since he's a classic. I also used to play his single player DS version some times, which is a rarity for me since I usually stick to Wilson / Maxwell because they have my favourite voices. But Wolfgang's voice and design made me like to occasionally choose him too (and I have a huge favour for picking characters that don't have the "standard" character design as my favourite ones, meaning they stick out in a way which Wolfgang and Maxwell definitely do in their non-ingame drawings.)

27 minutes ago, Brago-sama said:

Tinder bio: 6'2

In real life:

I wonder if Charlie had either been disappointed [OK this sounds weird, but I refer to this tinder bio joke here.] or [back to seriously] didn't "recognize" him when approaching in classic DS ( "Charlie? It's me, Maxwell!" )

[Frosty_Mentos]

The power of the throne makes one have a frighteningly large height as a loomingly large characer, it either could be a depiction of whom you should fear for that they've been empowered by fuel itself. You can literally see him in adventure mode being more monstrous and large and scoliosis the closer you are getting to the throne, or that's just a projection of him and his emotions shown, could be either - he kinda been subjected by nightmare fuel for long periods of time that his skin tone literally turned blue-er like he's been transformed.

Some of his skins shows that he has fangs instead of teeth, primarily the survivor one. Either that's an artistic expression or that he had growth more monstrous and demonic over the time of being exposed to fuel and the environment of the constant. 

So, for the tall part it prolly is just part of symbolism and shadow magic, figure of higher power after all, his and Charlie's chess pieces tower over most chess.

[ForbiddenHat]

He followed a looksmaxxing tutorial.

[NPCMaxwell]

2 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

The power of the throne makes one have a frighteningly large height as a loomingly large characer, it either could be a depiction of whom you should fear for that they've been empowered by fuel itself. You can literally see him in adventure mode being more monstrous and large and scoliosis the closer you are getting to the throne, or that's just a projection of him and his emotions shown, could be either - he kinda been subjected by nightmare fuel for long periods of time that his skin tone literally turned blue-er like he's been transformed.

Some of his skins shows that he has fangs instead of teeth, primarily the survivor one. Either that's an artistic expression or that he had growth more monstrous and demonic over the time of being exposed to fuel and the environment of the constant. 

So, for the tall part it prolly is just part of symbolism and shadow magic, figure of higher power after all, his and Charlie's chess pieces tower over most chess.

Ah yes, I always adored the idea of the thrones presences making him more "demon" (and that permanently). While I also stick to the "Maxwell has always been a tall person" even before. [though obviously less tall than creepy Maxwell when you progress in adventure mode I love creepy Maxwell so much, I wish this aspect hadn't been more or less forgotten in DST] [ Also I stick to tall Maxwell this until the end of my life. Once again I am taking my freedom to shape everything the way I want it to be for MY imagination / AU(?). I don't mind any other opinions or lore changes and stuff, though. This means I don't want to start a war on Maxwell size and lore and stuff here Just saying.)

5 minutes ago, ForbiddenHat said:

He followed a looksmaxxing tutorial.

I don't quite know what this is (it sounds like some modern social media thing fashion tutorial), but it sounds like there sure had been some equivalent to this for gentlemen of the 1900s.

[Waoling]

2 hours ago, NPCMaxwell said:

friendly giant

What do you mean by this?

Also I don't think Maxwell is too short, I think he is too tall, no human, even outside of the Constant is that tall, he is two time taller than a normal human, that would make him 342 cm tall.

[JustAFlower]

'' He's a lot shorter in person'' -Wilson

[NPCMaxwell]

19 minutes ago, JustAFlower said:

'' He's a lot shorter in person'' -Wilson

I know :') It's a funny quote. I usually consider it the same way (as jokingly refering to game logic / don't starve being a computer game) as when Maxwell directly talks to ME (the player) when we tell him to craft something he can't craft yet. ("Don't look at me, I've never made one before in my life") even when considering he made lots of the first DS world himself so he should technically know some of the receipts ( His quote for examining the science machine makes more sense outside of game logic when saying he can't believe he forgot how to make those implying he knew how to before)

20 minutes ago, Waoling said:

What do you mean by this?

Also I don't think Maxwell is too short, I think he is too tall, no human, even outside of the Constant is that tall, he is two time taller than a normal human, that would make him 342 cm tall.

I mean WOLFGANG is a friendly giant from his wholesome personality and attitude towards his friends and from the way he is drawn outside of game sprites (he is drawn way taller than the other survivors when being his pre-constant strongman self)

And yes Maxwell is humorously tall in the constant, literally like a full grown tree when you put him next to one. That's why I more picture Maxwell in his pre constant normal grown form around the size of his statue / similar to Charlie_NPC which is as far as I estimated around the size of a medium tree (still funny but you need to put the long limps somewhere)

[Waoling]

8 minutes ago, NPCMaxwell said:

his statue / similar to Charlie_NPC

That is still two time taller than a normal human, Charlie also wasn't alway that tall since we see her picture in Winona short, that Charlie is the same height as Winona when they were children.

[NPCMaxwell]

22 minutes ago, Waoling said:

What do you mean by this?

Also I don't think Maxwell is too short, I think he is too tall, no human, even outside of the Constant is that tall, he is two time taller than a normal human, that would make him 342 cm tall.

Sorry I didn't see you wrote outside the constant. but yes you're also right with that. He suffers from a cartoon-style syndrom that I call "weird size differences". I adore this style when it happens in fiction though x). If we added realism then of course we would have to draw every character of a slightly different size. E.g. my size is like Wilson which would probably also be around 1.50m (I'm slightly shorter but I assume this shortness is a realistic one for a tiny grown up man), and the tallest healthy person i know is around 1.95m which could be Maxwell and Wolfgang than. SHell who knows, maybe I will one dayay in a 100 years go through the pain and draw custom sizes sprites for every character trying to make the characters look more realistic in comparison to each other. I don't know

3 minutes ago, Waoling said:

That is still two time taller than a normal human, Charlie also wasn't alway that tall since we see her picture in Winona short, that Charlie is the same height as Winona when they were children.

Yes when they were children indeed. As I said, the weird size syndrom also applies to Charlie, in a less drastic way though. To all long limped drawn characters basically (also to Maxwell's brother) Anyway as I said I am nobody to have a war on Maxwell size. I just think it's a funny case of cartoon bodies vs game logic

Another longterm thought of mine:

Again....cartoon and game logic BUT probably Maxwell (and not ingame strong Wolfgang) are drawn extremly tall because I suppose many adult characters were originally supposed to have tall / long limped proportions (not counting Wilson he's been a small adult from the begining) and only later with the game continuing to evolve and more characters added they decided to draw all (MOST! or at least all NEWER than Wolfgang) characters outside their ingame appearance with the same / similar proportions. 

[Bughead]

I have no concrete answer myself, aside from it's simply convenient to having all similar-built characters to be one height. Not to mention, "realistically" whimpy-mighty height change shouldn't happen because I don't think that's how muscles work(?) But you know, magic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I digress. Funnily enough, the wiki mentions in the Trivia section that it was Charlie who made him short? Maybe someone misinterpreted the "ruler/throne/fuel height influence" or I just need to pay more attention to the shorts.

Influence or not, I'm still going to believe he's close to 2m.

[NPCMaxwell]

2 hours ago, Bughead said:

I have no concrete answer myself, aside from it's simply convenient to having all similar-built characters to be one height. Not to mention, "realistically" whimpy-mighty height change shouldn't happen because I don't think that's how muscles work(?) But you know, magic ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I digress. Funnily enough, the wiki mentions in the Trivia section that it was Charlie who made him short? Maybe someone misinterpreted the "ruler/throne/fuel height influence" or I just need to pay more attention to the shorts.

Influence or not, I'm still going to believe he's close to 2m.

Exactly it makes it easier to animate the game when everyone can use the same animation [And yes whimpy vs mighty Wolfgang is also a funny case of cartoon logic ^^] I didn't see this trivia explanation yet, but then I often see differences in drawing style between the game, the animations and the non-animated drawings of the character as being a "normal" [though in DS extremly noticible] case of inconsistent animation style. [Basically it's like comparing a lot of cartoons pilot episodes with late-season episode drawing styles. Just more extrem!] I personally can endure unrealistic size-differences [and other body differences] easily..actually the often make unusual characters especially interesting to me, but I personally get a crisis each time I see sudden drastice style (height etc) differences in the same fandom. No matter how well or non-well explained I always in my mind settle down for ONE design (usually the one I have seen first) and then my mind fixates on it up to the point that I ignore every change if I can't integrate it into my own drawing style / my AU(headcanon) version of the fandom. But then I also tolerate everyone's own idea AND the lore in the meaning that I would never start a war on any of those things. Though due to my obsession with whatever I fixate on, I am immune against change to my own ideas once they settle down. [I don't mean this in an unfriendly way, it's just the way my brain works I also like everyone who supports tiny Maxwell and tiny mighty Wolfgang and every characters to be around the same size or everyone being unique. I even adore fanart and character designs of "long" Wilson, even though this hurts my brain's settled character design even more ^^ ] Also maybe I should make a height-rank with the sizes I would assign to all of the [DST] characters from my realistic!AU [I have several AUs active at once]. All in all: No matter what size the characters have, no matter what art style is used and what lore or fandom explanations exist for them, I love the design of ALL DS/T characters I have seen so far. [which is a rarity in my fandoms]

[ShadowDuelist]

8 hours ago, Waoling said:

That is still two time taller than a normal human, Charlie also wasn't alway that tall since we see her picture in Winona short, that Charlie is the same height as Winona when they were children.

This

I'd go with the theory that the throne allows you to manifest an avatar of yours anywhere in the constant, that is huge for some reason. 
-"I tried to look smaller, but this is the best I can do" kinda thing.

[NPCMaxwell]

15 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said:

This

I'd go with the theory that the throne allows you to manifest an avatar of yours anywhere in the constant, that is huge for some reason. 
-"I tried to look smaller, but this is the best I can do" kinda thing.

I actually consider this theory nice, since although I like tall NPC Maxwell I never actually imagine him to be Treeguard-Size. I truly go with the statuemaxwell size that is still long limped and hillariously tall [like him being drawn in the William Carter puzzles], but not giant-monster-tree tall, after all the statue literally stands on a rock that makes him look taller once again.  Also this theory fits perfectly for monstrous transformation of adventure mode Maxwell that incresis his creepy size even more [imagine monster Maxwell standing upright and you see what I mean.]

I just want to add this:

If you ask me Maxwell in the chrome webstore version of the game actually looks rather "small" [while still long] compared to "giant" [or maybe it only seems to me like this] Wilson. Anyway this is kind of similar to what I imagine the statuemaxwell to be like if it was grounded and not in this statue's pose [aka this is how I imagine my version of Maxwell no matter if ingame or before the constant] 

 

[Tranoze]

What do you mean, maxwell is tall, unlike tiny wolfgang

[NPCMaxwell]

9 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

What do you mean, maxwell is tall, unlike tiny wolfgang

This used to be one of my favourite console function in the whole game when I spawned random character bots via artifical Wilson to play with. I never used it to make a literally ridiculously tiny Wolfgang though so now I feel even more the urge to cuddle and squeeze him

[SilverSpoon]

51 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

What do you mean, maxwell is tall, unlike tiny wolfgang

I burst out laughing.
Next we need a function to change the pitch of the voice depending on the size of the character.

But it would be pretty newt if actuary there is an enemy that could shrink and weaken the player.

[NPCMaxwell]

2 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

I burst out laughing.
Next we need a function to change the pitch of the voice depending on the size of the character.

But it would be pretty newt if actuary there is an enemy that could shrink and weaken the player.

Alright with the pitch changing I would literally use the artifical wilson bots to spawn the maximum amounts of tiniest Maxwells around one giant Wilson and then wait until Charlie and Night approaches.

....wait i just want to post a Maxwell quote that also makes me instantly think of ridiculously long arms and legs Maxwell:

(when sitting on a beefalo trying to build something)

 "Even with my long arms, I still can't reach." 

 

[NPCMaxwell]

I just want to add another thing: I love how in Maxwell's encore short he has actually been drawn with long limps, which fits him perfectly, and still he does not look COMPLETELY out of place. I just wish he was like this in every other DST animation / drawing, not necessarily in-game, it only makes sense for his sprites to be kept consistent in there, but I actually wish Klei could finally decide they would draw / animate him with the proportions they decided for in this video, as for me, this version of Maxwell is the one I find most pleasent to the eyes to be used in official Klei artwork, since the DST era started.

[NPCMaxwell]

I am sorry for "spamming" this thread but it's among my favourite topics:

I just found another thing in Maxwell's quotes:

Full Length Mirror- "I can hardly see myself."

nevermind I just also noticed Wheeler says something similar:

“I can barely see myself in there.”

So either both Maxwell and Wheeler are supposed to be people taller than the mirror....................or they are almost vampires.

[cause nobody else says the mirror is dysfunctional]