Should have made this poll earlier, but why would you invest into an affinity as Wigfrid?

[chirsg]

I think if this poll were made earlier on, it could have influenced some sort of change at some point, but there have been hundreds of suggestions to what the song could have been outside of a stats amp.

 

I'd have to evaluate after the beta if I would even want to pick an affinity, but at this point, it seems like Wigfrid doesn't reach significant damage breakpoints with the affinity active nor does she even need any sort of damage resistance.

Even for a team, they just seem so lackluster, that investing into another skill altogether, no matter how humble it may seem would be more of a benefit. 

 

 

[BB Marioni]

Personally not a fan of the +dmg to shadows/ lunar skills. I find skills like Wormwood's or Woddie's more interesting

[Sunshine.]

There is nö question aböut it! Öf cöurse we are to pick the side of Mani!

Whö else is as chösen as Wigfrids to banish the evil shadöws back to where they came fröm??

But yeah picking sides has some role play value to it as well, especially with the shadow aligned being able to hear the shadow scyth speak & knowing the ink blights names and so on. Wish Luna had more such features as well but yeah, imo that's already cool enough to invest a single skill point into them :,)

[Dragonboooorn]

I say make affinity song to have bonuses ONLY vs opposing force.

Example, lunar ballad - 20% more resistance and 20% more damage vs shadows. Current bonuses literally dont change anything, they are usless, and in my opnion, one should always use weapon ballad + health balld + sanity ballad. (if you fighting boss with huge sanity drain, replace health ballad with another sanity ballad)

[goatt]

Honestly, I will invest one point in affinity compulsively, although I don’t find them attractive.

I’ve been saving one point in the bank for affinity, but never got any reason to spend it. So I only have 14/15 spent, and get stuck at the last point.

The affinity point is so not attractive…

[NoodlemanNed]

the lunar affinity lets you reach 75 damage with elding spear, thulecite club or a fresh hambat which lets you kill crawling horrors in 4 hits instead of 5. the songs are both terrible because of how little of a bonus they give and even the passive stat boosts dont make much of a difference outside of this one situation i mentioned

like come on, who thought this would be a genuinely enticing option

[readkey]

Does picking an affinity automatically gives you extra damage to the opposite side, or do only Wilson and Wolfgang enjoys the extra damage?

[iamxyy]

1 hour ago, readkey said:

Does picking an affinity automatically gives you extra damage to the opposite side, or do only Wilson and Wolfgang enjoys the extra damage?

+10%attack   +10%defense

[YouKnowWho]

I'll be honest, I'm really not a fan of this style of poll. The first three questions are fine I guess but framing anyone who might disagree with you as a stick in the mud isn't a very productive frame of mind.

[chirsg]

58 minutes ago, YouKnowWho said:

I'll be honest, I'm really not a fan of this style of poll. The first three questions are fine I guess but framing anyone who might disagree with you as a stick in the mud isn't a very productive frame of mind.

No matter how I've framed it, literally everyone, as of this post has voiced that they would be open to tweaks in established affinities. 

A good amount of people don't care what others think of them, but even if they did, I made this poll anonymous. There isn't a reason for identity to be tied to votes in this circumstance, so it didn't matter.

 

What it shows is that generally people are underwhelmed by Wigfrid's affinities. 

I mean, to put in perspective, what's better? A spear made of lightning or a book that is used for an absurdly small niche?

 

You could be a stick in the mud and see something as underwhelming in the face of a teddybear bodyguard and dragonball z energy blasts, having the manifestation of your inner demons leave you alone when you're a man-beast, foregoing the curse in the first place or summoning literal spirit animals.

 

No one voted in favor of affinities being changed just because they were concerned about their reputation. Especially give the fact you couldn't expose your reputation against a unanimously agreed upon point of view because no one voted this way to begin with. 

 

Don't make hypothetical problems out of a result of some data fetching over a minority that doesn't even exist.

[readkey]

5 hours ago, iamxyy said:

+10%attack   +10%defense

Then what does Wilson’s affinity do aside from making Pure Horror/Brilliance? Does the 10% attack and defense in the description stack with the normal buffs from affinity?

Does Wolfgang deal 40% extra damage if he max out the affinity branch?

[Masked Koopa]

On 12/18/2023 at 3:03 AM, Sunshine. said:

There is nö question aböut it! Öf cöurse we are to pick the side of Mani!

Whö else is as chösen as Wigfrids to banish the evil shadöws back to where they came fröm??

But yeah picking sides has some role play value to it as well, especially with the shadow aligned being able to hear the shadow scyth speak & knowing the ink blights names and so on. Wish Luna had more such features as well but yeah, imo that's already cool enough to invest a single skill point into them :,)

lunar should let you see the names of wagstaffs tools.

[lenship2]

11 hours ago, readkey said:

Then what does Wilson’s affinity do aside from making Pure Horror/Brilliance? Does the 10% attack and defense in the description stack with the normal buffs from affinity?

Does Wolfgang deal 40% extra damage if he max out the affinity branch?

yes, every affinity grants 10% damage against the opposite faction, and 10% resistance against your own faction, regardless of other benefits the affinity may provide

so a shadow aligned wilson will be able to not only transmute nightmare related items, but also deal 75 damage to lunar enemies with a dark sword

as for wolfgang, the affinity buffs are excepted from him only because his affinities are the percentages; he deals 30% more damage against the opposite faction, and still gains 10% resistance against his chosen faction

[Faintly Macabre]

15 hours ago, chirsg said:

What it shows is that generally people are underwhelmed by Wigfrid's affinities.

No, sir, it does not. Your weird, manipulative question shows virtually nothing except "there aren't any people who voted in this poll that think nothing should change, ever," which is not much of a reveal. You lumped "changes to Wigfrid's affinities" in with "changes to anyone's affinities," so you made it completely useless in getting a read on how people feel about Wigfrid's stuff. It's so bad it almost feels like trolling. The concern was not about anybody revealing anything about themselves, but constructing the question and the answers in a way that just poisoned the well and allowed for disingenuous interpretation, which is... exactly what you did when questioned on the matter.

[YouKnowWho]

15 hours ago, chirsg said:

What it shows is that generally people are underwhelmed by Wigfrid's affinities. 

I mean, to put in perspective, what's better? A spear made of lightning or a book that is used for an absurdly small niche?

Maybe that's what you meant, but that's not what the question asked. 'Would you be open to the possibility of change" is a much different question than "do things need to change." That's my problem. understand?

[chirsg]

2 hours ago, Faintly Macabre said:

No, sir, it does not. Your weird, manipulative question shows virtually nothing except "there aren't any people who voted in this poll that think nothing should change, ever,"

This reads like it harbors a lot of hostility and a lot of PC rage directed at an otherwise innocuous question.

Let me explain something to you.

2 hours ago, Faintly Macabre said:

. You lumped "changes to Wigfrid's affinities" in with "changes to anyone's affinities," so you made it completely useless in getting a read on how people feel about Wigfrid's stuff.

Wigfrid has the worst affinity skills. There are others that maybe may need to be shifted around a bit, but Wigfrid bar none is the worst. 

- Wilson's might be 2nd worst in my opinion, but it's for sure, a lot more productive than Wigfrid's. Let me tell you that. Outdated at a certain point in the game, however, in a pinch you're able to shift the imbalance of materials.

- Wolfgang's needs 3 entire points to completely honor his affinity, but it's quite a powerful one. The fact that Wolfgang was one of the most powerful characters meant he didn't need much spice in his own skill tree to "Compete" with others. He merely needed something to cement himself as the combat specialist to set himself apart as such after rifts opened on their respective sides.
 

- Woodie's affinity speaks for itself. It's one of the best. Ignoring all shadow creatures when insane while transformed is one of the better combat perks of any character under a litany of combat scenarios. Other characters might not even skip a beat if they had what's granted to them exchanged for Woodie's. And the lunar perk literally eliminates his weakness. 
This does not interfere with "getting a read on how people feel about Wigfrid's stuff" as you so quoted in such a hostile and noxious manner.

- Wormwood's is lunar locked, but in spite of this, he becomes a mini warlord. I don't even want to go into how good his affinities are. They speak for themselves and only a fool would think that it even would be relevant in discussion of question 4. 

- Willow's skill's are at a bit of an impasse. Few things that the cooldowns should still be eliminated, but others will tell you that Willow is in a perfect place. 
Her affinities eclipse Wigfrid's in cool factor and utility. 

 

I don't even know if you even deserve the decency of an explanation, but you have it.
I hope that this explanation isn't just for you and your attempt to crucify my character, but for anyone else unclear that this is still a VERY Wigfrid centric question. 

Klei won't get it right every single time. They've done a great job, but they aren't perfect. Their good work outweighs the mistakes, but the mistakes still exist and just because they do, doesn't mean they can't be undone. The poll proves that. 

Continue being nasty to me for no reason and I'll continue to rightfully justify myself. 

 

 

2 hours ago, YouKnowWho said:

Maybe that's what you meant, but that's not what the question asked. 'Would you be open to the possibility of change" is a much different question than "do things need to change." That's my problem. understand?

No. I don't I formatted my question how I intended and you seem to have inspired another detractor. I have never once seen you weigh in on absolutely anything in this beta. Not a suggestion, bug report, or even sentiment of gratitude. You only emerged after I made this poll.

"Do things need to change" Is overwhelmingly dramatic and if it means that Wigfrid's affinities were chosen in a way to make them completely underwhelming for the sake of balance, then I understand. In that case, perhaps I'd accept their decision because she's already a very powerful character. I just really wanted to see if people were generally fine with generally Wigfrid staying the same in her affinities, but lo and behold, not one person believes the case. And if you still don't think question 4 was mostly about Wigfrid, refer to your friend whom I quoted before you in this message, scrutinizing every character perk against Wigfrid's. They are all superior. 

 

 

[SSneaky]

my answer:

Screw you shadows, Moon is better.

[Faintly Macabre]

2 hours ago, chirsg said:

This reads like it harbors a lot of hostility and a lot of PC rage directed at an otherwise innocuous question.

Let me explain something to you.

I don't even know if you even deserve the decency of an explanation, but you have it.

Continue being nasty to me for no reason and I'll continue to rightfully justify myself. 

you seem to have inspired another detractor.

Bro I am begging you to take yourself less seriously.

2 hours ago, chirsg said:

Let me explain something to you.

things

Not one bit of that addressed the criticism you quoted. How bad Wigfrid's talents are or aren't has no bearing whatsoever on the accusation, which is that the poor way you constructed that question and its answers makes it completely irrational to answer "no" to no matter how you feel about Wigfrid's talents and now are trying to use it as evidence of... well, anything. And now you're puffing up and being an Internet tough guy and inexplicably attempting to bring political correctness into the equation somewhere? Are you okay?

[chirsg]

lmao. I've never tried to frame myself as any sort of tough guy. Apparently being assertive makes one a tough guy.

 

 

Question 4 is definitely centered around Wigfrid more than any other character and not one single detraction was rebutting that. 

No one deserves a quote for trying to dismiss my arguments based on how they try to frame me. 

 

I say everything I say for love of the game and the characters. 

The only subject I'll put on a pedestal about myself is my vision of the game. I think anything I suggest would be supremely entertaining. 

Everything else is quite humble.

[Trips]

most civil internet headbutt competition argument

[_zwb]

Tbh your polls aren't really well designed, the options are often biased. For example, question 4, what should I choose if I wouldn't be open for changes but not because I think it's done or it's too late? There's no option for that.