hoppin mandrake Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Based on the lore, what affinity path, shadow or lunar, would each character canonically choose? I'm not very up to speed on all the lore, especially with the shadow and lunar stuff, so I thought this would be an interesting discussion. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Every and all. Everything that happens in game is cannon. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexx7 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 wormwood and maxwell both have to choose lunar and shadow respectively but everyone else is kinda up for debate wilson would probably choose lunar because it aligns much better with his motives, more knowledge, and also i feel he'd kinda just not like shadows considering he did get trapped on the shadow throne for a while willow would probably choose shadow, she worked under maxwell before the constant she's known about nightmare creatures all her life and she hates the cold wolfgang would absolutely choose lunar, he's scared of the dark wendy i feel could honestly go both ways, shadow makes sense for her since she is Maxwell's niece and she's already fine with dark and sad things, but also lunar makes sense as well since she's fine with the cold and horrific qualities of the moon and it'd be interesting for her to kinda do the same thing maxwell did but with the moon instead of the shadows wickerbottom lunar because knowledge wx shadow because they hate wagstaff woodie shadow because he's against moon magic wes would die before he ever reaches the point where he could choose webber could go either way i feel he'd probably go for shadow route because wagstaff kinda was the reason he got turned into a spider wigfrid would probably go for lunar route idk why she just feels like kt winona can honestly go either because she is Charlie's sister but she also worked under wagstaff for a while, hopefully she joins charlie because i hate wagstaff wortox idk i don't play him so idk his story or personality so maybe shadow because he can get through the shadow route way easier wurt would honestly probably just be neutral and stay in her swamp but if she had to be one she'd go for lunar route because knowledge wanda would go shadow route because she already has an inclination for all shadow weapons and she'd be all for learning ancient shadow magic warly would go for lunar route because idk maybe new recipes are included in alter's knowledge and i think he's been a sailor before so sailing around wouldn't be that big of an issue for him walter would go for shadows because he's not really scared of anything and so he'd have no fear going against ancient deities and joing the side of the weird shadow lady idk i couldn't really think of something for some of these characters ToT Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 I think for Webber the two halves will choose different sides here’s my evidence: human:Wagstaff is a family friend and color association he would think the side with the white spirits over the one with the black spirits would be the good one (in a white knight vs. black knight way not in a racist way) spider:Wagstaff trapped him in a cage shadow side created most of the life in the constant and even if they didn’t spiders are Dennisons of the constant which shadows rule over so either way don’t you think they would be loyal to there queen either way (spider queen is a the mother type of queen like queen ants/bees so she doesn’t count) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 What is cannon is what the Skillsets state. So Presumably everyone except Wormwood and Maxwell (if he gets lunar affinity I will be mad) will be both or neither. It is a cop out yes but I think Klei wants that ambiguity there for a reason and won't actually choose one. I expect in future shorts down like... 2 years from now? We will see Willow use both Shadow and Lunar fire skills in different shorts just to demonstrate this dichotomy of choice. Or, alternatively we will never see their skillsets reflected in shorts (like how we didn't see it in the Wormwood, Wolfgang, Woodie short but that is a unique thing and less of a major story beat so idk will have to see in the future). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassielu Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Here's what I think: Maxwell-Shadow: For Charlie, obviously. Wilson-Lunar: For Wagstaff and his science Wanda-Shadow: because her clocks are objectively incompatible with lunar magic Wormwood-Lunar: because his body is objectively incompatible with shadow magic. Maxwell and Wilson make choices based on their personal experiences, so the player still gets two affinity path. Wanda and Wormwood just objectively lack the ability to make choices, so they likely get only one affinity path in game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688406 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostyToasty Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 9 hours ago, Alexx7 said: wanda would go shadow route because she already has an inclination for all shadow weapons and she'd be all for learning ancient shadow magic I think Wanda would be a shadow-only survivor. As in she won't get any lunar affinities Her clocks are the only thing keeping her alive, and they're all made using nightmare fuel. She physically can't betray the shadows or else she dies. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antynomity Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 As much as others might think otherwise I think Wanda would canonically at least try out the lunar side in one of the timelines, she clearly is kind of interested in lunar magic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688411 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BalkanCockroach Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 38 minutes ago, Cassielu said: Maxwell and Wilson make choices based on their personal experiences, so the player still gets two affinity path. Wanda and Wormwood just objectively lack the ability to make choices, so they likely get only one affinity path in game. You're right. Maybe Max learnt his lesson about siding with shadows. I know in his rework animation that he contemplates siding with charlie but he doubts himself. We can never know until we know. He might pull a not this sh!@ again and help alter. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688415 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frashaw27 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Evelo said: if he gets lunar affinity I will be mad if he doesn't get a lunar affinity, I will be mad Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 2 hours ago, Cassielu said: Wormwood-Lunar: because his body is objectively incompatible with shadow magic. green staff is made with wormwood's gem and nightmare fuel Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMatt Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Alexx7 said: woodie shadow because he's against moon magic If we're to believe that the in-game effects of affinities reflect their potential lore effects, I feel Woodie would jump at the chance to go with Lunar even if he's against "moon magic." I mean c'mon, he only hates the moon because it transforms him. Being able to have that just... NOT happen is like exactly what he wants! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EthanTheMime Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 13 hours ago, Alexx7 said: wes would die before he ever reaches the point where he could choose nuh uh! nuh uh!! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688477 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimplyGoose Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 In every case besides Wormwood, the affinities are (thematically) gained by either working with Wagstaff or Charlie. Neither Wagstaff* nor Charlie may see Wes as capable of helping them, so I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't get affinities or didn't get them the same way. Also, I think Maxwell is going to have the option to pick Lunar affinities because he has a moonbound skin. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masked Koopa Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 7 hours ago, GhostyToasty said: I think Wanda would be a shadow-only survivor. As in she won't get any lunar affinities Her clocks are the only thing keeping her alive, and they're all made using nightmare fuel. She physically can't betray the shadows or else she dies. Idk, Wanda makes use of the shadows, she doesn't help them, and they don't (willingly) help her. Plus she clearly wants to use moon magic to power her clocks, I could totally see a lunar affinity of some sort. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 37 minutes ago, GimplyGoose said: Maxwell is going to have the option to pick Lunar affinities because he has a moonbound skin wormwood has a triumphant skin too Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimplyGoose Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 34 minutes ago, grm9 said: wormwood has a triumphant skin too Fair point. Skins probably won't factor into what affinities will be available. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 9 hours ago, GimplyGoose said: Fair point. Skins probably won't factor into what affinities will be available. Probably but I do think canonically that’s what they look like if they chose that side but for Maxwell and wormwood I’d say alternate universe maybe even turned by force for wormwood maybe for Maxwell too but I doubt it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuteC Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 I don't see wx joining either side, they hate Wagstaff and Charlie is part human therefore she is inferior. Wigfrid 100% is lunar, she loves Alter (or "Mani" as she calls them) given they "challenge" her and stuff, also she thinks Charlie is a coward. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimplyGoose Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 5 hours ago, Dr.Webber said: Probably but do think canonically that’s what they look like if they chose that side but for Maxwell and wormwood I’d say alternate universe maybe even turned by force for wormwood maybe for Maxwell too but I doubt it I think the theme of the triumphant skin sets show off what the character would look like if they were the ones on the nightmare throne and not Maxwell. Also the "untriumphant" Maxwell skin is one of my favorites because of how dweeby he looks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 1 hour ago, CuteC said: I don't see wx joining either side, they hate Wagstaff But wx loves the moon, no? They would probably do anything to get the moons powers even if it's to help their old pal a little Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688667 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Webber Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 1 hour ago, GimplyGoose said: I think the theme of the triumphant skin sets show off what the character would look like if they were the ones on the nightmare throne and not Maxwell. Also the "untriumphant" Maxwell skin is one of my favorites because of how dweeby he looks. Ya I think maybe that was the original idea but I think it shifted also I think his base skin is his triumphant skin wale his untriumphant skin is supposed to be his “normal” skin and ya that dweebiness is pretty cute if I’m being honest I kinda feel cheated out of a badass skin Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688678 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 16 hours ago, GimplyGoose said: Also, I think Maxwell is going to have the option to pick Lunar affinities because he has a moonbound skin. wormwood has triumphant skin Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/153276-what-affinity-path-would-be-canon-for-each-character/#findComment-1688722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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