Don't starve has great lore but...

[Jakepeng99]

15 hours ago, BalkanCockroach said:

I also made a post a while ago that discussed who made the clockworks, people had different opinions and lots of people were unsure about their opinions because while some quotes suggested that Maxwell made them some other quotes made that impossible. At the end it was still ambigous like a lot of stuff in this franchise.

I believe it was the ancients, but Maxwell rebuilt them by taking from the ruins.

 

[maroonamanita]

23 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Wilbur is not a prime ape so he's not native

Well he is the monkey king and splumonkeys don't like him so he will stay in probably stay in shipwrecked 

[Just Mactusk]

1 hour ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Well Wormwoods short definetly tells us theres a hamlet in DST somewhere like @Frashaw27 said cause shorts are offical. But maybe it's a different hamlet orrr... Fix the damn lore Klei!!!

It could work like a different timeline, although I can believe the theory that hamlet does exist in both timelines, although wormwood may have explore it in one timeline and left it in the other

[Eughstein]

3 hours ago, Just Mactusk said:

I feel like hamlet is it own thing, including DS is kinda a another universe of it own

nuh uh, characters like warly got in dst by traveling in dst world, they just don't go to sw and hamlet worlds because devs said so
main questions i have are like
what's the pigs lore, why there's pig king painting in hamlet, how does world map of hamlet fits in dst lore, how the hell do shadows in hamlet's ruins and ancient herald fit in all of this(which is especially important question since new shadow enemies)
like, i don't even have such questions about how sw fits in all of this because there aren't really things like whole damn new shadow boss with 0 explanation on how and why

[Uedo]

3 hours ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Wilbur is not a prime ape so he's not native. And by that logic why did Wormwood go into DST is he not native to hamlet? 

If they were to introduce Wilbur into DST they could make him the monkey we see in Wagstaffs lab they look similar and Wagstaff experiment could've made him smarter. But unfortunately Wonkey kinda confirmed he won't be getting into DST.

Wasn't it hinted that Wilbur was in the circus with Wolf? I vaguely remember that

[BalkanCockroach]

19 minutes ago, Uedo said:

Wasn't it hinted that Wilbur was in the circus with Wolf? I vaguely remember that

I don't know i haven't seen or read anything like that... but there's another monkey in the Wes short kinda sussy. 

[Horsheen]

18 hours ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Example this is a small retcon but there are many, i'll add more when it comes to my mind. In gorge one of the salesmerms tell us "i've been having odd cravings for fish lately"

after the wurt update when you look back you're like wait a minute... THAT'S CANNIBALISM!

Fish are merm pets, not the merms themselves. They drop fish cuz thats their pets 

[MagicalStorm]

2 hours ago, Eughstein said:

how the hell do shadows in hamlet's ruins and ancient herald fit in all of this(which is especially important question since new shadow enemies)

Adding to this, what the hell is the Aporkalypse? Isn't the Alter's whole thing to be the opposite of shadows? Why he looking so red and why is the Herald showing up when mr. red moon is around? Hamlet has full moons too so what gives?

[Hornete]

2 minutes ago, MagicalStorm said:

Adding to this, what the hell is the Aporkalypse? Isn't the Alter's whole thing to be the opposite of shadows? Why he looking so red and why is the Herald showing up when mr. red moon is around? Hamlet has full moons too so what gives?

I always liked to think it's because Alter's/The Moons influence is being severed in some way. Irl, a lunar eclipse(blood moon) occurs when the Earth blocks the Sun from our moon.

Aporkalypse is particularly interesting since while it has the color of a lunar eclipse, we can clearly see in the trailers the moon is blocking the Sun, so it's actually a solar eclipse(?)

Anywho, I think the Moon acts as some big counterbalance to shadow forces, but when it's influence is somehow severed as the Aporkalypse seems to do, shadow forces tip the scale over and start becoming a lot more powerful and overtaking the world. I imagine if they were to return to Hamlet now they'd give the Ancient Herald pure horror as a drop! Considering both the Herald and Ink Blights who both drop dark tatters come in a state when the world is extremely chaotic with shadow magic.

[lenship2]

55 minutes ago, Uedo said:

Wasn't it hinted that Wilbur was in the circus with Wolf? I vaguely remember that

there's so much vague monkey lore among both the shorts and games

from the top of my head i know we have at least:

- moon quay monkeys, who somehow existed through purple energy from wagstaff's broken portal

- wagstaff purple energy that fused webber and the spider together

- primates that have basic sentience

- splumonkeys that are corrupted by the nightmare fuel and ruins cycle

- the moon quay queen and wilbur the monkey king

- pirate ghosts in shipwrecked

- pirate monkeys in moon quay

- the entire moon quay curse

- a wilbur-like monkey in wes', wolfgang's, and wx78's shorts

- all three monkey types that steal stuff from the players/ground

- chinese mythology with their monkey queen

- banana bushes being called 'odd' by most survivors

- the quacken and other sea stuff from shipwrecked

[BalkanCockroach]

19 minutes ago, Horsheen said:

Fish are merm pets, not the merms themselves. They drop fish cuz thats their pets 

Im not talking about them dropping it. In gorge one of the merms say they crave fish read my comment again.

[MagicalStorm]

3 minutes ago, Hornete said:

I always liked to think it's because Alter's/The Moons influence is being severed in some way. Irl, a lunar eclipse(blood moon) occurs when the Earth blocks the Sun from our moon.

Aporkalypse is particularly interesting since while it has the color of a lunar eclipse, we can clearly see in the trailers the moon is blocking the Sun, so it's actually a solar eclipse(?)

Anywho, I think the Moon acts as some big counterbalance to shadow forces, but when it's influence is somehow severed as the Aporkalypse seems to do, shadow forces tip the scale over and start becoming a lot more powerful and overtaking the world. I imagine if they were to return to Hamlet now they'd give the Ancient Herald pure horror as a drop! Considering both the Herald and Ink Blights who both drop dark tatters come in a state when the world is extremely chaotic with shadow magic.

I like this one alot, though why would it only happen on Hamlet and only when that calendar is just right? Or well, why is that calendar exclusively on and only affects Hamlet World?  Did something make it? The Aporkalypse also seems to have the same effects of the full moon along with its other effects, which also seem odd to me, would it mean the Alter itself isn't responsible for its own effects during its full moon phase?

[Hornete]

3 minutes ago, MagicalStorm said:

I like this one alot, though why would it only happen on Hamlet and only when that calendar is just right? Or well, why is that calendar exclusively on and only affects Hamlet World?  Did something make it?

Things get really muddied here. Unfortunately we don't know much about the Ancient pigs of Hamlet, but we do know it's likely they dabbled in shadow magic the same as the Ancients in the Ruins, with them having End's wells and some Thulecite items.

Maybe they had a connection with the other Ancients! But no exact evidence of the two possibly interacting.

[BezKa]

2 minutes ago, Hornete said:

Maybe they had a connection with the other Ancients! But no exact evidence of the two possibly interacting.

I kinda assumed Mants are cousins of the ancients. So Hamlet is kind of an island in the sky where the story went differently, pigs forming a developed society and full sentences, while Mants stay underground with their queen and brokenly chirp at intruders.

 

[Sanitar]

36 minutes ago, Hornete said:

I always liked to think it's because Alter's/The Moons influence is being severed in some way. Irl, a lunar eclipse(blood moon) occurs when the Earth blocks the Sun from our moon.

Aporkalypse is particularly interesting since while it has the color of a lunar eclipse, we can clearly see in the trailers the moon is blocking the Sun, so it's actually a solar eclipse(?)

Anywho, I think the Moon acts as some big counterbalance to shadow forces, but when it's influence is somehow severed as the Aporkalypse seems to do, shadow forces tip the scale over and start becoming a lot more powerful and overtaking the world. I imagine if they were to return to Hamlet now they'd give the Ancient Herald pure horror as a drop! Considering both the Herald and Ink Blights who both drop dark tatters come in a state when the world is extremely chaotic with shadow magic.

If you look at the aporkalypse calendar, you can see two moons. The other is half a month old, and the second is full. I think that shadows rule in one of the moons. The moon that overlaps the sun is shadowy, so the shadows begin the Unhindered expansion of the constant (Hamlet)

 

I hope the online translator was able to convey the idea

[Horsheen]

31 minutes ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Im not talking about them dropping it. In gorge one of the merms say they crave fish read my comment again.

Oh I read your comment no worries, I'm just skeptical if Gorge/Forge are even canon

[Hornete]

8 minutes ago, Horsheen said:

I'm just skeptical if Gorge/Forge are even canon

They're canon! Admittedly the winter ornament quotes are a bit weird, with some of them not being able to recognize them, but some do point to their past experiences.

 

 

[BalkanCockroach]

23 minutes ago, Horsheen said:

Oh I read your comment no worries, I'm just skeptical if Gorge/Forge are even canon

They are definetly canon. Only thing that i was sussy about was SW but appearantly Warly and his introduction post kinda confirm it is.

[PunkShark]

the gateway arcs are certainly the most notorious lore confusion there is. Well forge was alright but gorge? oof, man. The amount of times i hear that Wurt is from the gorge...

I have always thought of the gateway arcs as like... a spinoff, in a way. To see a different part of the constant (or its universe) but doesn't neccesarily change the pace of the main story. It always felt like a bit of an anticlimatic end. What, so the survivors just went through the gateway and just returned back as if nothing had ever happened? Seems so.

Kinda like the DLC's in DS. Well Shipwrecked and Hamlet specifically they were just extra parts of the world, Sw appeared to be something Maxwell had created at some point and Hamlet was more ancient. But both really doesn't add anything. it was just Wilson trying to escape and landing into another place. They also aren't mentioned in DST apart from a Wobster quote from Maxwell but they're also not important.

[Retepeter]

I think most things are well explained, the only exceptions I can think of are Them (being mysterious by nature) and wagstaff (whose content arc is still wip)

[BalkanCockroach]

1 hour ago, Retepeter said:

I think most things are well explained, the only exceptions I can think of are Them (being mysterious by nature) and wagstaff (whose content arc is still wip)

Another inconcistency that came to my mind now is what happened to Mumsy and Billie. They say they will follow you through the portal, did the portal close or something? Klei shut the gateway arc without a sound as if it didn't exist.

[Retepeter]

1 hour ago, BalkanCockroach said:

Another inconcistency that came to my mind now is what happened to Mumsy and Billie. They say they will follow you through the portal, did the portal close or something? Klei shut the gateway arc without a sound as if it didn't exist.

Considering how short the portal stays open in the terrors below trailer, I assume they overestimated how long it would and started packing their things or something.

Alternatively they came through, just got mermified before we could meet them again

[Horsheen]

On 10/31/2023 at 12:02 AM, Hornete said:

They're canon! Admittedly the winter ornament quotes are a bit weird, with some of them not being able to recognize them, but some do point to their past experiences.

 

 

Interesting! Point revoked then, thank you Hornet