cropo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 14 minutes ago, Cheggf said: No it didn't lol. That system you're erroneously referring to as an "RPG exp system" (a more accurate description would be "resource sink") was also quickly removed, because it sucked. DS alone had an XP system where the player would level up based on how long they survived after they died. It would unlock characters that were able to deal with different parts of the game in a meaningful progression. The first character you unlock was Willow, who was better equipped to dealing with night time for the average new player. The list goes down to characters that are better able to handle certain aspects of the game. By the time the player has learned to deal with night time, they'll have likely unlocked Wolfgang, who was better at the combat portion of the game. Then, they'll unlock Wendy after they lose their sanity as Willow and realize it's punishing. Wendy can't just light up a smoke forever in the Darkness, but she is punished less harshly from the sanity drain which would supposedly be the next obstacle on a new players journey through the game. This trend continues in the DLC, where the first character unlocked from leveling up is Walani. Who was better equipped to handle ocean exploration for, to then progress into Warly who was better equipped to cooking without the need to chop wood and get charcoal to make meals with the assumption that the player will have learned by now they don't need Walani's help to explore the ocean, but still coming to gripes with the constant moving Shipwrecked asks of the player. Obviously, in reality most of these characters were quite bad and the intended effect never really happened, but it was still an XP based progression system in intention. I believe they outright state this in an interview. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApoIIo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 15 minutes ago, Cheggf said: No it didn't lol. That system you're erroneously referring to as an "RPG exp system" (a more accurate description would be "resource sink") was also quickly removed, because it sucked. My man's mixing up research points for the EXP still used to unlock characters to this day lmao. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662544 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 26 minutes ago, cropo said: and you need to be at a pretty wealthy state to have a lot of them on top of the other things she needs. At that point, you already have everything you want in the game....so who cares? Not to mention each watch takes up inventory slots, which can be a big deal in a lot of situations. You just need the celestial portal to easily get lots of them, including time pieces. You can do this early on with no risk needed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Jakepeng99 said: You just need the celestial portal to easily get lots of them, including time pieces. You can do this early on. If I had to guess, are you saying swapping back and fourth between her and someone else and dropping her ''starting'' items? I never really thought of that, I guess. At that point feels more like you're making the conscious decision to abuse a mechanic far beyond reasonable amounts to circumvent intended progression. Not sure I agree with this being a case of her being easy to set up, if anything that just means starting items should be nerfed or the player should have the self-control not to abuse it. That is what you're talking about, right? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 4 minutes ago, Bearger Enjoyer said: My man's mixing up research points for the EXP still used to unlock characters to this day lmao. Unlocking characters is so ridiculous that I was sure you weren't calling that an RPG mechanic. I guess DST also has RPG mechanics because if you open it you see the main menu. While there, you can click on buttons. You know where else buttons exist? Skill trees. I was wrong the whole time. 17 minutes ago, cropo said: DS alone had an XP system where the player would level up based on how long they survived after they died You do not level up, you unlock characters. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted August 30, 2023 Author Share Posted August 30, 2023 2 minutes ago, Cheggf said: You do not level up, you unlock characters By leveling up. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662553 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 minute ago, Cheggf said: You do not level up, you unlock characters. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dont-starve-game/images/3/35/Unknown_character.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130704161208 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662554 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 minute ago, cropo said: If I had to guess, are you saying swapping back and fourth between her and someone else and dropping her ''starting'' items? I never really thought of that, I guess. At that point feels more like you're making the conscious decision to abuse a mechanic far beyond reasonable amounts to circumvent intended progression. Not sure I agree with this being a case of her being easy to set up, if anything that just means starting items should be nerfed or the player should have the self-control not to abuse it. That is what you're talking about, right? You can enter the portal as Wanda, and re-pick her. It is an option easily available that Klei has not done anything with so it shouldn't be thrown out the Window. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 1 minute ago, cropo said: https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dont-starve-game/images/3/35/Unknown_character.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20130704161208 awesome picture Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 5 minutes ago, Cheggf said: You do not level up, you unlock characters. Me when i argue against an xp system that both shows level and xp Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, gamehun20 said: Me when i argue against an xp system that both shows level and xp Thank you, that was the picture I tried posting. Quote You can enter the portal as Wanda, and re-pick her. It is an option easily available that Klei has not done anything with so it shouldn't be thrown out the Window. Again I will infer that this was never the intended effect of the portal, and a player abusing this would be making the conscious decision to circumvent intended progression. This isn't a Wanda problem, it's a problem with the mechanic of starting items and shouldn't be used as a case to argue Wanda has instant progression. I would make the same argument, if say, WX pre-rework started with some gears and a player portaled back and fourth to ''duplicate'' them. Or if Winona started with catapults. I do agree that is an issue, but not a Wanda one and also requires willing exploitation on the players part. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662559 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApoIIo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, cropo said: Again I will infer that this was never the intended effect of the portal, and a player abusing this would be making the conscious decision to circumvent intended progression. This isn't a Wanda problem, it's a problem with the mechanic of starting items and shouldn't be used as a case to argue Wanda has instant progression. I don't feel it's unintended? It's not like klei would leave it as it is for a long time if that was the case. They had all the time and oppurtunities in the world. I just see it as an alternative pathway that typically takes longer to profit more out of. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 7 minutes ago, Bearger Enjoyer said: I don't feel it's unintended? It's not like klei would leave it as it is for a long time if that was the case. They had all the time and oppurtunities in the world. I just see it as an alternative pathway that typically takes longer to profit more out of. Klei usually leaves a lot of things untouched that players can easily exploit, most of the time intentionally. If you have to personally make a conscious effort to abuse something then it isn't really intrusive to gameplay because you're the one opting in to it so there's no reason to remove it. Anything goes in pubs, and in private friend servers you can simply all agree not to abuse it. But again, this isn't a Wanda problem it's an issue of starting items being given on every switch. I don't really think this is Wanda's fault or something we should consider a serious part of her progression. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApoIIo Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 18 minutes ago, cropo said: Klei usually leaves a lot of things untouched that players can easily exploit, most of the time intentionally. If you have to personally make a conscious effort to abuse something then it isn't really intrusive to gameplay because you're the one opting in to it so there's no reason to remove it. Anything goes in pubs, and in private friend servers you can simply all agree not to abuse it. But again, this isn't a Wanda problem it's an issue of starting items being given on every switch. I don't really think this is Wanda's fault or something we should consider a serious part of her progression. I don't think it's an issue at all. It's nice not having to touch farming for astroggles by being warly for a moment. Don't see it ruining anything, it has its ups and downs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Bearger Enjoyer said: I don't feel it's unintended? It's not like klei would leave it as it is for a long time if that was the case. Kiel has proven time and time again this isn't the case they just can't account for everything. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted August 30, 2023 Share Posted August 30, 2023 I predict that the next beta won’t start tomorrow Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 6 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: I predict that the next beta won’t start tomorrow We'll see Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662633 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApoIIo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 8 hours ago, Mysterious box said: Kiel has proven time and time again this isn't the case they just can't account for everything. This is literally the only way to get time pieces on caveless worlds. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 35 minutes ago, Bearger Enjoyer said: This is literally the only way to get time pieces on caveless worlds. People still play without caves? I couldn't imagine playing without them myself. That's like, playing half the game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662638 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antynomity Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 26 minutes ago, cropo said: People still play without caves? I couldn't imagine playing without them myself. That's like, playing half the game. Usually when people do it is because the game is very badly optimised and for some reason just needs you to host 2 separate servers to have caves, even it's a solo world with the max play count set to 1. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ApoIIo Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 28 minutes ago, cropo said: People still play without caves? I couldn't imagine playing without them myself. That's like, playing half the game. A lot of people play this game on toaster pcs or samsung galaxy fridges as their only device so yeah very much a thing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662640 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Bearger Enjoyer said: This is literally the only way to get time pieces on caveless worlds. I wasn't talking about them removing that specifically more so that things being in the game for a long time doesn't mean Kiel approves of it. I do agree that it likely isn't going anyway though specifically because removing it causes a bigger problem than not. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 11 hours ago, Bearger Enjoyer said: This is literally the only way to get time pieces on caveless worlds. Well... actually... bear with me. Wait no never mind. Ruins Stations... Spoiler Huddle around me... You need 8 thulecite fragments to make one, right? Where can you get thulecite fragments? Right. Thulecite. But we need thulecite in the first place. That we can get from Sunken chests! You can deconstruct those, and the Pick/Axe found there for the fragments. Said chests also provide green gems as well. Voila. Overly complicated and unrealistic? Yes! But it works. Damn. I was so close to making this work. There's gotta be a way. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, -Variant said: Well... actually... bear with me. Reveal hidden contents Huddle around me... You need 8 thulecite fragments to make one, right? Where can you get thulecite fragments? Right. Thulecite. But we need thulecite in the first place. That we can get from Sunken chests! You can deconstruct those, and the Pick/Axe found there for the fragments. Said chests also provide green gems as well. Voila. Overly complicated and unrealistic? Yes! But it works. You need caves to craft the deconstruction staff Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nnumber3 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, -Variant said: Well... actually... bear with me. Hide contents Huddle around me... You need 8 thulecite fragments to make one, right? Where can you get thulecite fragments? Right. Thulecite. But we need thulecite in the first place. That we can get from Sunken chests! You can deconstruct those, and the Pick/Axe found there for the fragments. Said chests also provide green gems as well. Voila. Overly complicated and unrealistic? Yes! But it works. and how do we deconstruct thulecite if there's no cave for a deconstruction staff? bit of a oversight in your master plan Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/150691-predictions-for-the-next-beta/page/5/#findComment-1662738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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