skill tree idea Edited 08-02-2024 Webber skill tree suggestions also Klei I don’t care about credit add or take inspiration from any of my suggestions as you please all I ask is you take them into consideration+Fan ideas welcome(great place to use to make everyone happy)

[Dr.Webber]

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[Well-met]

what on earth is going on here and what is this title?

[NPCMaxwell]

5 minutes ago, Well-met said:

what on earth is going on here and what is this title?

It is Dr. Webbers masterthread for ideas they like and hope Klei can add to the game. (A nice and useful idea imo.)

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Well-met said:

what on earth is going on here and what is this title?

What do you mean 

[Dr.Webber]

There’s a new interesting conversation in the linked trend 

[Jakepeng99]

Its over a year old now.

[Dr.Webber]

6 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Its over a year old now.

That’s what detection gets you 

[Dr.Webber]

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Edited August 2, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Dr.Webber]

I heard one of those still tree icons

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[Frosty_Mentos]

8 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

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why are you doing this lol

[NPCMaxwell]

33 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

why are you doing this lol

Dr.Webber is trying to bring attention to good ideas that should make it into the game, which is quite a neat way to "collect them in one thread" actually.

(Dr.Webber correct me if I am wrong, but this is the way I understood your intentions with this thread)

Edited August 14, 2024 by NPCMaxwell

[Creatingabe1125]

I think skill trees were meant to help new players as they played along (which I think Klei is forgetting) but about the skill tree.

I think there should maybe just be a few human/farm skills as while he live his childhood on the farm, he is living with spiders and is learning more about spiders then farming, so just a few farming skills that would make sense with helping Webber as some of the skills for farming don’t help him very much and it’s like adding new abilities that aren’t supported much by Webber.
 

Also I think any skills with spider queens would either be learning from them or the spider queens somewhat helping Webber like maybe offering help when attacked or if Webber is on low health the spider queen can heal him a little bit until a certain health point or something else.

Maybe some spider skills could be about strengthening your spider buddies. But about the current spider skills, I like the spider skills but maybe Webber could make a portable container that acts a spider nest for Webber’s spiders instead. Don’t think Webber should have baby spiders or turn into a den, but if spiders were to chop, mine, and smash, they would have to do it in a large group so only after enough spiders are gathering something that it chopped, mined, or smashed.

Also what about making other types of dens, so like if webber got like 12 rocks, 1 spider den, 6 bone shards, and 3 cave spiders, he can make a homemade cave den, maybe similar for shattered spiders, depth dwelling spiders, sea striders, I think you’ll understand what I mean. And about the affinitys, maybe Webber can mutate them using switcherdoodles into planar lunar or shadow spiders, and probably no farm affinitys.

And that’s what I think about this skill tree and what could be changed.

[Dr.Webber]

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I think there should maybe just be a few human/farm skills as while he live his childhood on the farm, he is living with spiders and is learning more about spiders then farming, so just a few farming skills that would make sense with helping Webber as some of the skills for farming don’t help him very much and it’s like adding new abilities that aren’t supported much by Webber.

Yeah, I probably would’ve done that but I wind each side to be allowed to pick their own alignment so I gave each one and equal amount of skills to match each alignment

 

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Also I think any skills with spider queens would either be learning from them or the spider queens somewhat helping Webber like maybe offering help when attacked or if Webber is on low health the spider queen can heal him a little bit until a certain health point or something else.

I only added one spider queen related skill Only exist so he can get a spider hat without doing anything out of character for the skill listed afterwards

 

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Maybe some spider skills could be about strengthening your spider buddies. But about the current spider skills, I like the spider skills but maybe Webber could make a portable container that acts a spider nest for Webber’s spiders instead. Don’t think Webber should have baby spiders or turn into a den, but if spiders were to chop, mine, and smash, they would have to do it in a large group so only after enough spiders are gathering something that it chopped, mined, or smashed.

Why

 

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Also what about making other types of dens, so like if webber got like 12 rocks, 1 spider den, 6 bone shards, and 3 cave spiders, he can make a homemade cave den, maybe similar for shattered spiders, depth dwelling spiders, sea striders, I think you’ll understand what I mean.

The spider half is a normal spider so it only makes sense for him to make regular spider dance plus the other dens Can’t grow or have queens and don’t drop the respective spider egg. Also, you can’t put decorations on those or sleep in them.

 

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

And about the affinitys, maybe Webber can mutate them using switcherdoodles into planar lunar or shadow spiders, and probably no farm affinitys.

 

Having the affinity spider types Be made with switcher doodles but decided against it because if someone decided to do a lunar/shadow gang sort of thing that wouldn’t leave room for the other spider types but if they resurrect into the aligned spider types Then it wouldn’t matter what type they are they be tied to that power in order to give them the chance to resurrect

Also, could you expand more on these suggestions

[Creatingabe1125]

22 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Why

I assume you mean why I think he shouldn’t have baby spiders and the den converting ability. For the baby spiders it’s cause I think he should focus on the normal sized spiders and he should not have spiders taking care of him like that as they can duplicate, feed him, and they are babies, he can befriend spiders to fight for or with him but he is not a spider queen. For the den converting ability, again he is not a spider queen and again the baby spiders feeding him could be over used by new players. And if your wondering about the chopping/mining/chopping too, you can befriend a lot of spiders from just a few dens and I don’t think they’re strong enough to do it on their own.

39 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

I only added one spider queen related skill Only exist so he can get a spider hat without doing anything out of character for the skill listed afterwards

 

I think the spider hat is the head of a spider queen, I think webber himself says he doesn’t like the spider hat. And why would Webber need a spider hat?

42 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

The spider half is a normal spider so it only makes sense for him to make regular spider dance plus the other dens Can’t grow or have queens and don’t drop the respective spider egg. Also, you can’t put decorations on those or sleep in them.

I said homemade versions, and same could be said about the switcherdoodles, he likes all spiders and would wish to make a home for them all. most of them are in places where why would you put decorations, these homemade ones you can, sleeping in them can probably just stay a normal den thing.

45 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Having the affinity spider types Be made with switcher doodles but decided against it because if someone decided to do a lunar/shadow gang sort of thing that wouldn’t leave room for the other spider types but if they resurrect into the aligned spider types Then it wouldn’t matter what type they are they be tied to that power in order to give them the chance to resurrect

It makes sense for them to be transformed with switcherdoodles, other spiders can and will be better in certain situations, and if people wanted to make a lunar or shadow spider gang they could just kill their spiders for that and problem again, if they want a lunar or shadow spider gang let them have it, the other spiders still aren’t useless still.

50 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Yeah, I probably would’ve done that but I wind each side to be allowed to pick their own alignment so I gave each one and equal amount of skills to match each alignment

I don’t think the farming side should have an affinity as the spiders would over shadow it and the farming part isn’t really helpful to Webber specifically but okay.

54 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Also, could you expand more on these suggestions

Ideas could be making new items or maybe foods to increase/improve things like damage, health, and abilities as well as maybe adding teamwork abilities like if 10 spiders attack one target they can take turns which may lower dps but they could maybe stunlock them with less spiders or other abilities like that. Maybe 20 spiders can focus on different targets and helping other spider depending on health or amount of spiders.

some of the den crafts like the depth dweller’s or the sea strider’s dens could be made on trees or the above average tree trunk, with costing 1 spiders dens, some materials to build similar looking and feeling dens, and either those same spiders or switcherdoodles, and maybe Webber can have special interactions with some of them.

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I assume you mean why I think he shouldn’t have baby spiders and the den converting ability. For the baby spiders it’s cause I think he should focus on the normal sized spiders and he should not have spiders taking care of him like that as they can duplicate, feed him, and they are babies, he can befriend spiders to fight for or with him but he is not a spider queen. For the den converting ability, again he is not a spider queen and again the baby spiders feeding him could be over used by new players. And if your wondering about the chopping/mining/chopping too, you can befriend a lot of spiders from just a few dens and I don’t think they’re strong enough to do it on their own.

He gets the baby spiders by adding the spider egg to his beard

The pseudo den thing It’s supposed to show he’s on his way to becoming a queen equivalent. he also has the leader role at spider Queen has, can drop spiders out his inventory, come out of tier 3 dens, make and place down spider eggs, It’s not perfect, but you gotta admit their parallels between Spider Queen and him

spiders honestly wouldn’t be able to do much damage on their own, but eventually it would break

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I think the spider hat is the head of a spider queen, I think webber himself says he doesn’t like the spider hat. And why would Webber need a spider hat?

 

• Head space:This is an edit of @DarkMatter1502’s idea I’m thinking a craft for a living spiderhat that gives you the different spider types powers consisting of a spiderhat and a life giving amulet  i’d make it one craft and make the item spoilable but replenish able like critters in you innovatory and to change the spider type just feed it a switcherdoodle    And you don’t lose sanity from it and if you put one using a switcherdoodle on a spider you can double up switcherdoodles I call it a motherly head cap.      
   
  switcher doodle effects:
   
• Warrior: like frog Webber and the armor of a foot ball helmet                                          
• Cave: a  snurtle shell but  on your head and +400 hp. 
   
• Spitter: you can spit niter of like a fling shot by eating niter and  cools over time
• Depth dweller:like frog Webber with as smaller range and can call down a Depth dweller on silk when on Depth dweller webbing or near a webbed mushtree to go to a random  Depth dweller webbing or near a webbed mushtree (similar to woodie’s goose thing)
• Shattered: when  a distance from the enemy that you are targeting you will occasionally use a Crystal attack by stomping on the ground and it will drop moon shards 
• Nurse: 2x range on healing glop and you get 15 health from both healing glop and nurses spiders instead of 8 (22.5 hp for Webber, 225 hp Spiders Factoring in @JJ0264’s skill).
• Sea strider: buoyancy(Little to no effect when sinking) and less wetness 

   1 hour ago,  Creatingabe1125said: 

I said homemade versions, and same could be said about the switcherdoodles, he likes all spiders and would wish to make a home for them all. most of them are in places where why would you put decorations, these homemade ones you can, sleeping in them can probably just stay a normal den thing

At that point, why not just have a beer scale that allows you to store spiders in decorated dens

 

   1 hour ago,  Creatingabe1125said: 

It makes sense for them to be transformed with switcherdoodles, other spiders can and will be better in certain situations, and if people wanted to make a lunar or shadow spider gang they could just kill their spiders for that and problem again, if they want a lunar or shadow spider gang let them have it, the other spiders still aren’t useless still.

I think you misunderstood me I know other spiders can transform that’s why it was my original idea but I decided against it because you still need the other spider types But usually that one work as them being part of the lunar/shadow gang But the way I have it now It works like an add-on to the other spider types and the ability to resurrect into the affinity spiders will allow the  other  types to count as part of the shadow/lunar gang

 

   1 hour ago,  Creatingabe1125said: 

I don’t think the farming side should have an affinity as the spiders would over shadow it and the farming part isn’t really helpful to Webber specifically but okay.

The two sides picking different alignments would make way for being able to choose the hypothetical pseudo alignment

Sudo-alignment:

The Indigestible (you) will reward your spiders with genetic nurture alternating energy fusion empowering your fallen feral friends                                                                 

 

Unnatural nurturer:

if you choose different alignments for his two sides you gain the hypothetical “alignment” the ability it gives you is to switch your alignment through sanity 50 or below he has each half’s shadow alignment abilities with 51 or above he has each half’s lunar alignment abilities and 10% non-aligned planar (defense/damage)(form/for) all attacks (done by enemies/done by you),upon death a befriended spider will molt into a unnatural spider who’s exoskeleton resembles a human skull as a reference to Webbers skull (and it has tiny base skin Webber arms in place of the tiny middle leg if you go with two legs on each side for the Webber skin), it switch’s between the abilities of shadow/mutated  spiders and they puke  unnaturally preserved rot(not an item just what to call the puke) functions like compost wrap and looks like purple gloomer goop(you can tell which by looking at the partial effect around them)(baby beard spiders become baby care spiders(as a reference to the old spider care tab and Webber’s care for his friends)and do the same switch as unnatural spiders with the same look except tiny and with a slurper mouth can use unnatural energy to simulate the right season , the ability to make unnatural rifts (how it works is there’s a new interaction with spider dens it temporarily plays an animation in which Webber’s unnatural rifts opens and closes the rifts come out of the den like how shadow rifts come out of the ground or lunar one are  suspended  in the air and it allow you to travel to other dens(I’m thinking a web/shatter design slanted back) (range will increase by level)

with this design:

concept art:

alinement expression inspiration:

alinement expression inspiration:

The Skin:

 the hypothetical “alignment” has a corresponding hypothetical skin based on arachnes  from Greek mythology, black and purple,maybe a shirt like a sweater or something, human parts based on human Webber ,arms are a like normal Webber but at upper   bicep  is human arm transitioning into monster arm or if your  only  giving him two Spider legs on each side then have each finger be a separate claw/spikes , queen claw/spikes that are black with red highlights  on one side and on the other side blue with white highlights , two blue big eye with white outlines the rest of eye are black with  red outlines and the mouth is that of the farm spider skin  but smiling as a  true synergy sort of situation (maybe instead of a beard have the webbing that goes around the thorax of a queen and maybe a eye like alter and the shadow equivalent of alter because Webber is the first living thing(s) we know to bin in contact with the energy that was previously just the by product of an experiment gone awry so if he can find a way to harness it to calm the discord between the forces each side picked in his body then I think they would be a spider dyad of the unnatural power and although less powerful than them I think the  the spider care symbol  would be a nice call back also it just speaks to who he is on  his torso like the widow sigh and crescent moon

(He’s missing the part of the skin where there’s two smaller black and red eyes next to the big eyes  but you get the idea)

   1 hour ago,  Creatingabe1125said: 

Ideas could be making new items or maybe foods to increase/improve things like damage, health, and abilities as well as maybe adding teamwork abilities like if 10 spiders attack one target they can take turns which may lower dps but they could maybe stunlock them with less spiders or other abilities like that. Maybe 20 spiders can focus on different targets and helping other spider depending on health or amount of spiders.

 

That’s sort of what the directable spider thing is supposed to do, but it’s an interesting way to take it maybe after we get everything all ironed out you could tell me more of your ideas I’m also gonna add you to a message thread

Edited August 15, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Creatingabe1125]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

Head space:This is an edit of @DarkMatter1502’s idea I’m thinking a craft for a living spiderhat that gives you the different spider types powers consisting of a spiderhat and a life giving amulet  i’d make it one craft and make the item spoilable but replenish able like critters in you innovatory and to change the spider type just feed it a switcherdoodle    And you don’t lose sanity from it and if you put one using a switcherdoodle on a spider you can double up switcherdoodles I call it a motherly head cap.     
                     
Switcherdoodle effects:

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Webber lore wise it feels wrong but gameplay wise the effects need some nerfs, the hat should be a bit more expensive especially sence spider queens drop their heads for you, and then it would be okay. But I don’t think there should be a Webber craft using the spider queen hat for Webber’s sake.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

He gets the baby spiders by adding the spider egg to his beard

The pseudo den thing It’s supposed to show he’s on his way to becoming a queen equivalent. he also has the leader role at spider Queen has, can drop spiders out his inventory, come out of tier 3 dens, make and place down spider eggs, It’s not perfect, but you gotta admit their parallels between Spider Queen and him

spiders honestly wouldn’t be able to do much damage on their own, but eventually it would break

When I say he isn’t a spider queen I mean him having his own spiders and being like a mother/father to the spiders. Webber is the leader of the spiders that he befriends. My problem with the baby spiders is that they are trying to replace normal spiders, they appear to be easy to get more of compared to normal spiders, if they share the same mechanics to the forge then they sound a bit op in normal dst, and if you wrap yourself in a nest, then they take care of you which as I said he isn’t a spider queen. Also how would that work if something attacked the nest? Why just bring one spider to a Mining or chopping trip then, the spider requirement to break stuff would also encourage bringing more spiders where you would need too.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

I think you misunderstood me I know other spiders can transform that’s why it was my original idea but I decided against it because you still need the other spider types But usually that one work as them being part of the lunar/shadow gang But the way I have it now It works like an add-on to the other spider types and the ability to resurrect into the affinity spiders will allow the  other  types to count as part of the shadow/lunar gang

What’s the problem with having a lunar or shadow gang, again it’s not like the other spiders are useless, for example sea striders against ocean bosses, spitters for long range, shattered have special spikes that could be utilized, cave spiders have shields, spider warriors and depthers have more health and damage though probably the lunar/shadow spiders would be better than those 2. And not every spider can be used in every fight.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

At that point, why not just have a beer scale that allows you to store spiders in decorated dens

 

3 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I said homemade versions, and same could be said about the switcherdoodles, he likes all spiders and would wish to make a home for them all. most of them are in places where why would you put decorations, these homemade ones you can, sleeping in them can probably just stay a normal den thing.

I am confused where that came from, I said you could use decorations on these new nests, and I don’t think there should be a beard scale as it’s just a beard.

[Dr.Webber]

25 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Webber lore wise it feels wrong but gameplay wise the effects need some nerfs, the hat should be a bit more expensive especially sence spider queens drop their heads for you, and then it would be okay. But I don’t think there should be a Webber craft using the spider queen hat for Webber’s sake.

What do you suggest as an alternative?
 

 

25 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

When I say he isn’t a spider queen I mean him having his own spiders and being like a mother/father to the spiders. Webber is the leader of the spiders that he befriends. My problem with the baby spiders is that they are trying to replace normal spiders, they appear to be easy to get more of compared to normal spiders, if they share the same mechanics to the forge then they sound a bit op in normal dst, and if you wrap yourself in a nest, then they take care of you which as I said he isn’t a spider queen. Also how would that work if something attacked the nest? Why just bring one spider to a Mining or chopping trip then, the spider requirement to break stuff would also encourage bringing more spiders where you would need too.

Did you not fully read the skills

Baby spiders can only be out for a short amount of time and then after return and recharge

if something that is not an ally walk on the web the baby spiders and spiders in your inventory  will attack  it if it doesn’t run away in time, they will kill it and bring it back to the nest and your hunger bar increase as a few ate it

Usually, you wouldn’t bring just one. I’m just saying I’m not gonna soft lock mining stuff because you only have one spider even though it would be incredibly efficient but if that’s all you got at the time that’s all you got.

25 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What’s the problem with having a lunar or shadow gang, again it’s not like the other spiders are useless, for example sea striders against ocean bosses, spitters for long range, shattered have special spikes that could be utilized, cave spiders have shields, spider warriors and depthers have more health and damage though probably the lunar/shadow spiders would be better than those 2. And not every spider can be used in every fight.

There is no problem I never said that they would be useless. I’m just saying if I made it so  the alinement spiders had their own switcher doodle then the other spiders wouldn’t count as part of the shadow/lunar gang and making the alignment spiders a resurrection Benefit all spiders not just one type

 

29 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I am confused where that came from, I said you could use decorations on these new nests, and I don’t think there should be a beard scale as it’s just a beard.

It was AutoCorrect. I didn’t notice that said. Beer scale  I meant to say:

At that point, why not just have a skill that allows you to store spiders in decorated dens

[Creatingabe1125]

51 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

At that point, why not just have a skill that allows you to store spiders in decorated dens

That would be a nice skill but I think I have suggested a spider container, and the other spider nest crafts are meant to give Webber even better access to those types of spiders, but would probably take a bit longer to respawn special spider types.

51 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

There is no problem I never said that they would be useless. I’m just saying if I made it so  the alinement spiders had their own switcher doodle then the other spiders wouldn’t count as part of the shadow/lunar gang and making the alignment spiders a resurrection Benefit all spiders not just one type

I see your point but the what you consider a lunar/shadow gang is kind of an opinion thing as in some people might consider a spider gang with mostly lunar spider, a few spitter, shattered, and nurse spiders a lunar gang still, and the switcherdoodle both makes sense and is kind of a balance, if the spiders are planar then them reviving is just too easy for planar spiders, if they didn’t have planar then they would probably not be as useful, and if you empowered them like Wurt does then your just copying Wurt, and so switcherdoodles solve these problems, and different spiders can benighted each other, nurses heal, spitters can get long range if they enemy runs away, though it’s really only the nurses that help all the spiders.

51 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

Baby spiders can only be out for a short amount of time and then after return and recharge

if something that is not an ally walk on the web the baby spiders and spiders in your inventory  will attack  it if it doesn’t run away in time, they will kill it and bring it back to the nest and your hunger bar increase as a few ate it

Though being immune to damage while still doing the same damage as a spider sounds like a bit much, and feeding you again sounds a bit to much like spider queen and I already said what I mean by that. And also could you use that den ability to escape Charlie anywhere for basically free as well as being fed if you sleep near rabbits or something else.

51 minutes ago, Dr.Webber said:

What do you suggest as an alternative?

I had a spider queen claw idea that is supposed to be a gift but idk if it’s something Webber would like lore wise so yeah. Do you want me to suggest a new spider queen craft, or just like a skill related to spider queen or a suggestion for a new craft that applies some of the switcherdoodle effects to Webber?

[Dr.Webber]

58 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

That would be a nice skill but I think I have suggested a spider container, and the other spider nest crafts are meant to give Webber even better access to those types of spiders, but would probably take a bit longer to respawn special spider types

I thought you said it would be a place to put his spiders
 

 

58 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I see your point but the what you consider a lunar/shadow gang is kind of an opinion thing as in some people might consider a spider gang with mostly lunar spider, a few spitter, shattered, and nurse spiders a lunar gang still, and the switcherdoodle both makes sense and is kind of a balance, if the spiders are planar then them reviving is just too easy for planar spiders, if they didn’t have planar then they would probably not be as useful, and if you empowered them like Wurt does then your just copying Wurt, and so switcherdoodles solve these problems, and different spiders can benighted each other, nurses heal, spitters can get long range if they enemy runs away, though it’s really only the nurses that help all the spiders.

You’re super weak so it’s balanced 

58 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Though being immune to damage while still doing the same damage as a spider sounds like a bit much, and feeding you again sounds a bit to much like spider queen and I already said what I mean by that. And also could you use that den ability to escape Charlie anywhere for basically free as well as being fed if you sleep near rabbits or something else.

They would only be out for a very short amount of time
You just be similar to a bush hat or snurtle shell that gives you a lesser version of the benefits of sleeping in a spider den                                                             OK say we get rid of the food thing would you be okay with that

 

58 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I had a spider queen claw idea that is supposed to be a gift but idk if it’s something Webber would like lore wise so yeah. Do you want me to suggest a new spider queen craft, or just like a skill related to spider queen or a suggestion for a new craft that applies some of the switcherdoodle effects to Webber?

That Claw idea is interesting Could you explain upon that?

Basically, I want to turn whipper into his own type of spider queen

But for alternatives to the skill, I had I was sort of thinking of something that loud Webber to sort of use that switcher doodles on himself, but klei  doesn’t have to deal with Making different versions of the skins bro, the different transformations

Edited August 15, 2024 by Dr.Webber

[Creatingabe1125]

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

That Claw idea is interesting Could you explain upon that?

Basically, I want to turn whipper into his own type of spider queen

But for alternatives to the skill, I had I was sort of thinking of something that loud Webber to sort of use that switcher doodles on himself, but klei  doesn’t have to deal with Making different versions of the skins bro, the different transformations

For the spider claw idea maybe after spider queen turns into a nest or as a new drop she drops a spider claw that can be used to do the same damage as a tentacle spike, but Webber can also craft it into a Spider’s silky kit using 1 spider claw, 12 silk, and 2 rocks. It acts as a sewing kit but also has another use, if used on a den it can increase the amount of spiders it can have, up to 2 for a tier 1 den, up to 4 for a tier 2 den, and up to 6 for a tier 3 den. You could also repair decoration  kits and spider dens to the next level in 2 uses, but that’s about it.

when you say spider queen do you mean as a leader or as a mother/father like?

maybe the switcher doodles could give him a small effect for each type though to be fair the switcher doodles are meant for just his spider friends to transform so idk how Webber would transform without making it too op for Webber.

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

They would only be out for a very short amount of time
You just be similar to a bush hat or snurtle shell that gives you a lesser version of the benefits of sleeping in a spider den                                                             OK say we get rid of the food thing would you be okay with that

 

Suggestion: occasionally you find a baby spider you can take with you, you can only have 6 at a time but they can take damage and can die, but they can regenerate 1 health every 3 seconds, they can dodge, they do slightly less damage then a normal spider. You can make a portable container to house up to 6 baby spiders (which still count to the baby limit even if they are in a container and you may not carry a container if they amount of baby spiders overpasses your current amount of baby spiders by 6. And about the den thing, I find no need for it but if you have a reason for it that isn’t cause of spider queen then I’ll listen.

8 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

That would be a nice skill but I think I have suggested a spider container, and the other spider nest crafts are meant to give Webber even better access to those types of spiders, but would probably take a bit longer to respawn special spider types.

So what do you think about this still?

7 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

You’re super weak so it’s balanced

Could you explain what you mean by this as I don’t understand what you mean, and what about the gang thing still, that’s still like an opinion thing depending on what the players think.

[Dr.Webber]

56 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

when you say spider queen do you mean as a leader or as a mother/father like?

Sorta both 

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Suggestion: occasionally you find a baby spider you can take with you, you can only have 6 at a time but they can take damage and can die, but they can regenerate 1 health every 3 seconds, they can dodge, they do slightly less damage then a normal spider. You can make a portable container to house up to 6 baby spiders (which still count to the baby limit even if they are in a container and you may not carry a container if they amount of baby spiders overpasses your current amount of baby spiders by 6. And about the den thing, I find no need for it but if you have a reason for it that isn’t cause of spider queen then I’ll listen.

They shouldn’t be able to die

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So what do you think about this still?

I’d be open to a spider container to keep the baby spiders in replacing turning in to a pseudo den and adding a spider nest to your beard

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Could you explain what you mean by this as I don’t understand what you mean, and what about the gang thing still, that’s still like an opinion thing depending on what the players think.

I meant to say say they’re Super weak because they only have seven HP

Yeah, but they wouldn’t be Webber’s spider type