Ornery beefalo's minimum obedience is not fair

[veryvery]

Why ornery beefalo's minimum obedience is 45? rider and ornery have different purposes in the first place (Wigfrid and Wolfgang tame rider, Wendy and Wes tame ornery) and it's unfair that only ornery need to be fed before riding.

[Cheggf]

How is needing to give it a single worthless twig or grass unfair?

[Well-met]

because it's the strongest tendency

[_zwb]

2 hours ago, Cheggf said:

How is needing to give it a single worthless twig or grass unfair?

It's boring and annoying

[kuroite]

18 minutes ago, _zwb said:

It's boring and annoying

Isnt that the purpose of a downside ?

[_zwb]

6 minutes ago, kuroite said:

Isnt that the purpose of a downside ?

A downside doesn't have to be annoying to be a downside

[Ginosaji]

I never struggle with the low obedience.

Just click the Beef with a grass or twigs and mount it. Even in mounting animation the Beefalo would tank the hit from stuff that is aggro'd onto you.

I never really got this new trend where people rather get a rider or balanced Beefalo. Any experienced player can identify the right moment to buff up the obedience,

the moment to reset the buck timer or getting off to heal the Beefalo with blue caps.

 

That's the bare minimum of experience that a player should have while doing combat using a Beefalo and when you mastered it the low obedience isn't even a problem.

[Baark0]

If ornery had minimum obedience of 50% then they'd straight up be the best tendency, no questions asked. Not even rider with it's marginally faster move speed would be better, as the time you save killing enemies or dismounting, killing the enemy, the remounting is far greater than time saved travelling. 

[Gashzer]

6 hours ago, Ginosaji said:

I never struggle with the low obedience.

Just click the Beef with a grass or twigs and mount it. Even in mounting animation the Beefalo would tank the hit from stuff that is aggro'd onto you.

I never really got this new trend where people rather get a rider or balanced Beefalo. Any experienced player can identify the right moment to buff up the obedience,

the moment to reset the buck timer or getting off to heal the Beefalo with blue caps.

 

That's the bare minimum of experience that a player should have while doing combat using a Beefalo and when you mastered it the low obedience isn't even a problem.

Rider and default are far superior to ornery. Its not just "1 twig" its "1 twig" forever. You sound like you have never tamed one of each tendency before.

If you prefer to dismount for combat, we have a regen weapon/armour now (shield of terror) for normal mob fights, then rider is farrrrr better than ornery. Its so convenient dismounting and remounting as much as you want as the other tendencies.

If you prefer combat on beefalo then default can hit that 50 damage threshold to 2 hit spiders/ 3 hit hounds or to use in boss fights with war saddle or i just generally use glossomer saddle because 34 damage is better than having to feed your beefalo every. single. time. you want to remount.

People also rule out pudgy beefalo too, its not that useful for most characters but its the best beefalo for wortox and wicker who are very sanity draining characters. Wortox with pudgy can eat souls all day long forever and be at max sanity, pudgy allows wortox/wicker to wear seasonal protection headgear without losing out on a comparable sanity boost that a tophat/tam/enlightened crown brings.

And dont forget the best beefalo, Woby. She cant die, doesnt need tamed for 20 long and very tedious days, can mount and remount at will (outside of combat) 

Edit: ps tame ornery as wendy or wes... thats it. That is the only 2 characters that ornery is best for.

[Spino43]

9 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

People also rule out pudgy beefalo too, its not that useful for most characters but its the best beefalo for wortox and wicker who are very sanity draining characters. Wortox with pudgy can eat souls all day long forever and be at max sanity, pudgy allows wortox/wicker to wear seasonal protection headgear without losing out on a comparable sanity boost that a tophat/tam/enlightened crown brings.

Pudgy is dreadful and merely a joke from the devs.

The 6.25 san/min is so laughable, it's also slow af and hit weaker than wes. You mention wicker being sanity draining, yes, but she can also just chomp down some cactus, or better, make some banana shakes.

I am sorry, but I just can't see pudgy being useful in any kind of situation possible. Well, at least it's not too horrid to tame one now thanks to steamed twigs. But please, avoid this tendency.

[Cheggf]

The time that the other beefalo save compared to pudgy can be used to gather far more sanity from consumables than would be obtained from pudgy's aura. 

[Gashzer]

21 minutes ago, Spino43 said:

Pudgy is dreadful and merely a joke from the devs.

The 6.25 san/min is so laughable, it's also slow af and hit weaker than wes. You mention wicker being sanity draining, yes, but she can also just chomp down some cactus, or better, make some banana shakes.

I am sorry, but I just can't see pudgy being useful in any kind of situation possible. Well, at least it's not too horrid to tame one now thanks to steamed twigs. But please, avoid this tendency.

Its 0.5 slower than the other tendencies and still so much faster than walking cane/mag.

You are right, you could just pick cactus. Like someone using a rider can just dismount for combat. But maybe i dont want to waste time over a firepit cooking cactus flesh or boiling a crockpot. In which case pudgy saves alot of cooking/picking time, it just doesnt feel like it.

I avoid having to use crockpots for anything other than jellybeans. And i only like cooking on firepit if im playing willow or walter for the speed cooking. Cooking is a massive waste of time otherwise. Healing salves/ honey poultices plus honey for general food is the way to go in the late game.

[Ginosaji]

3 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Rider and default are far superior to ornery. Its not just "1 twig" its "1 twig" forever. You sound like you have never tamed one of each tendency before.

If you prefer to dismount for combat, we have a regen weapon/armour now (shield of terror) for normal mob fights, then rider is farrrrr better than ornery. Its so convenient dismounting and remounting as much as you want as the other tendencies.

If you prefer combat on beefalo then default can hit that 50 damage threshold to 2 hit spiders/ 3 hit hounds or to use in boss fights with war saddle or i just generally use glossomer saddle because 34 damage is better than having to feed your beefalo every. single. time. you want to remount.

People also rule out pudgy beefalo too, its not that useful for most characters but its the best beefalo for wortox and wicker who are very sanity draining characters. Wortox with pudgy can eat souls all day long forever and be at max sanity, pudgy allows wortox/wicker to wear seasonal protection headgear without losing out on a comparable sanity boost that a tophat/tam/enlightened crown brings.

And dont forget the best beefalo, Woby. She cant die, doesnt need tamed for 20 long and very tedious days, can mount and remount at will (outside of combat) 

Edit: ps tame ornery as wendy or wes... thats it. That is the only 2 characters that ornery is best for.

Yep, I never bother making other Beefalo tendencies. like for what?

The default type you're using for most of the time in the domestication process and you waste a lot more feedable items on them because they can slip below 45% obedience. Yea, not anymore when they're fully domesticated but they already last for a good amount of time of riding if you tail a wild Beefalo for about 5 days and keep it fed with steamed twigs.

So it seems like a waste to me when the Beefalo is already almost as powerful just 5 days into domestication. It's good enough to raid the ruins or even kill Ancient Guardian.

 

Sure a war saddle can be used but only as long as you get the steel wool and tracking 2 ewecus' minimum can take a very long time.

that's why I'm more of a glossamer saddle user and it's just crap with weaker Beefalo variants. like why should I limit myself to day 1 axe damage using a rider

or spear damage from a default Beefalo? It just doesn't make sense.

 

I mainly use a ornery Beefalo to kill Dragonfly. all you need to do is dive into the cave entrance for the blue cap forest when it's nearing night time and

then grab as many caps as you can. You don't need any armor or healing for yourself just some light, a panflute and maybe a icestaff for your odd lavae and then you just kill df.

 

I'm not gonna wail for 6 days on it using axe damage from a rider and waste the entire panflute for one kill. especially not when your only selling point for it is wasting twigs.

The whole world is full of the stuff you just need to get over your laziness and restock on one of the most basic items in the game.

[Gashzer]

1 hour ago, Ginosaji said:

Yep, I never bother making other Beefalo tendencies. like for what?

The default type you're using for most of the time in the domestication process and you waste a lot more feedable items on them because they can slip below 45% obedience. Yea, not anymore when they're fully domesticated but they already last for a good amount of time of riding if you tail a wild Beefalo for about 5 days and keep it fed with steamed twigs.

So it seems like a waste to me when the Beefalo is already almost as powerful just 5 days into domestication. It's good enough to raid the ruins or even kill Ancient Guardian.

 

Sure a war saddle can be used but only as long as you get the steel wool and tracking 2 ewecus' minimum can take a very long time.

that's why I'm more of a glossamer saddle user and it's just crap with weaker Beefalo variants. like why should I limit myself to day 1 axe damage using a rider

or spear damage from a default Beefalo? It just doesn't make sense.

 

I mainly use a ornery Beefalo to kill Dragonfly. all you need to do is dive into the cave entrance for the blue cap forest when it's nearing night time and

then grab as many caps as you can. You don't need any armor or healing for yourself just some light, a panflute and maybe a icestaff for your odd lavae and then you just kill df.

 

I'm not gonna wail for 6 days on it using axe damage from a rider and waste the entire panflute for one kill. especially not when your only selling point for it is wasting twigs.

The whole world is full of the stuff you just need to get over your laziness and restock on one of the most basic items in the game.

Ah you are very dependent on your beefalo for combat. Alot of people on the forums use beefalos just as a means of transport from A to B. Jump off and use weapons for bosses. Hambat does more damage than an ornery beefalo can achieve and you can get one by day 2 of a new world.

Fighting on foot with a combination of weapons/armour/mag/cane is 100% more reliable, safer and stronger for boss fights than fighting with an ornery is.

The strongest perk of all the beefalos isnt its combat abilities (cause fighting on foot is stronger), its the huge speed boost over walking you get. Rider beefalo maximizes the best quality of a beefalo hence why its the best tendency.