lenship2 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 idk i just wanna discuss what strategies would be viable for a wonkey speedrun cuz it sounds fun right now woodie seems like a pretty good candidate for the speedrun, with the goose form you could probably rush to find monkey island and with the moose you can probably kill most of the monkeys for the trinkets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webberer Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 No offense, but Woody could be basically replaced by Maxwell who has much more resource collecting abilities. As for Wonky, his special abilities are similar to Wilbur, but he has at least one less Accursed slot which is filled with Trinkets inventory. I seriously don't understand why to speedrun for him unless you want to experience a much more difficult game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsheen Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 hour ago, webberer said: No offense, but Woody could be basically replaced by Maxwell who has much more resource collecting abilities. As for Wonky, his special abilities are similar to Wilbur, but he has at least one less Accursed slot which is filled with Trinkets inventory. I seriously don't understand why to speedrun for him unless you want to experience a much more difficult game. I think you missed the plot here, Woodie would be the fastest candidate by far because he can use Weregoose to find the island extremely quickly and Weremoose to kill the monkeys easily for the trinkets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webberer Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 11 minutes ago, Horsheen said: I think you missed the plot here, Woodie would be the fastest candidate by far because he can use Weregoose to find the island extremely quickly and Weremoose to kill the monkeys easily for the trinkets Yes, you are right, discovering on sea with high efficiency would be one of woody’s special abilities and advantages. But my point is, for both Woody and Wonkey, they are obvious weaker (I hate to use this word) than others. It’s difficult for them to use their special abilities and have a positive impact. In this case, it seems (at least for me) no point to choose play as these two characters, because if you wanna play in hard mode, why not Wes from the beginning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shosuko Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 16 minutes ago, webberer said: Yes, you are right, discovering on sea with high efficiency would be one of woody’s special abilities and advantages. But my point is, for both Woody and Wonkey, they are obvious weaker (I hate to use this word) than others. It’s difficult for them to use their special abilities and have a positive impact. In this case, it seems (at least for me) no point to choose play as these two characters, because if you wanna play in hard mode, why not Wes from the beginning? This isn't about having some power trip like crafting Wicker's books and swapping to Maxwell. Its about wanting to be Wonkey as fast as possible, and just staying Wonkey for fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardin25 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 2 hours ago, webberer said: No offense, but Woody could be basically replaced by Maxwell who has much more resource collecting abilities. As for Wonky, his special abilities are similar to Wilbur, but he has at least one less Accursed slot which is filled with Trinkets inventory. I seriously don't understand why to speedrun for him unless you want to experience a much more difficult game. least min maxer maxwell main (no offense you just got confused) Also, yeah woodie is pretty much the best for anything to do with rushing ocean content, just bring a boat to get out of the island after turning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 People are saying Woodie, for what reasons I’m actually quite Unsure of, because in MY Experience playing as Woodie it takes a good while to gather the resources needed for his Itchy Totems, AND after using them you enter full out starvation status. I have NEVER Felt like Woodie was a good “Ocean” Character.. in Fact my Number 1 Choice for Ocean Character (Aside from Walani who isn’t even in the game) might surprise you.. My Choice would be Wilson- Why? Because Wilson’s Torch Toss Ability allows him to apply an Early Game light source onto a Grass Raft (this light source is better than a Deck Illuminator by the Way..) note: You have to play as Wilson long enough to Max these Perks, but they persist across all future sessions you play. Being able to transmute Twigs/Logs or Vice Versa shouldn’t be lightly overlooked. Now of Course.. Woodie might win in FINDING MOON QUAY, But my go to Ocean Character is still surprisingly Wilson. Keep in mind you don’t even need to FIND Moon Quay- You can craft a Hostile Flare & have pirates come to You- So Wendy would equally be a contender for Fastest to Turn Wonkey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardin25 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 10 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: People are saying Woodie, for what reasons I’m actually quite Unsure of, because in MY Experience playing as Woodie it takes a good while to gather the resources needed for his Itchy Totems, AND after using them you enter full out starvation status. I have NEVER Felt like Woodie was a good “Ocean” Character.. in Fact my Number 1 Choice for Ocean Character (Aside from Walani who isn’t even in the game) might surprise you.. My Choice would be Wilson- Why? Because Wilson’s Torch Toss Ability allows him to apply an Early Game light source onto a Grass Raft (this light source is better than a Deck Illuminator by the Way..) note: You have to play as Wilson long enough to Max these Perks, but they persist across all future sessions you play. Being able to transmute Twigs/Logs or Vice Versa shouldn’t be lightly overlooked. Now of Course.. Woodie might win in FINDING MOON QUAY, But my go to Ocean Character is still surprisingly Wilson. Keep in mind you don’t even need to FIND Moon Quay- You can craft a Hostile Flare & have pirates come to You- So Wendy would equally be a contender for Fastest to Turn Wonkey. it takes a while to get some monster meat, seeds/grass/logs and some berries or carrots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMatt Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 10 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: I have NEVER Felt like Woodie was a good “Ocean” Character.. But he's the character who can find ocean landmarks that otherwise have no clear indicator the fastest. Wilson may be "easier" in your opinion, but Woodie is faster by any sane metric. He also actually has quite an easy time with the oceans hazards like rock jaws, sea stacks, monkeys, etc. because he can avoid being stranded on or even USING a boat via the Weregoose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 2 minutes ago, MadMatt said: But he's the character who can find ocean landmarks that otherwise have no clear indicator the fastest. Wilson may be "easier" in your opinion, but Woodie is faster by any sane metric. He also actually has quite an easy time with the oceans hazards like rock jaws, sea stacks, monkeys, etc. because he can avoid being stranded on or even USING a boat via the Weregoose. Did they update Woodie or something? Last I played him he sucked.. and I mean goosing over the ocean, returning to human form and Drowning type of sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MadMatt Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 1 minute ago, Mike23Ua said: Did they update Woodie or something? Last I played him he sucked.. and I mean goosing over the ocean, returning to human form and Drowning type of sucked. Just don't go too far from land to detransform over. Drowning with the Weregoose is not a foregone conclusion lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shosuko Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 30 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: People are saying Woodie, for what reasons I’m actually quite Unsure of, because in MY Experience playing as Woodie it takes a good while to gather the resources needed for his Itchy Totems, AND after using them you enter full out starvation status. The reason is b/c you can goose across water with night vision, which far out strips a grass boat + torch toss for navigation. You can ignore all hazards and just run around with full screen visibility at all times. It usually takes me 3-4 idols to find everything in the ocean, but that is luck dependent. You can pack a ham bat and armor with you, along with some healing recovery items, food, and other supplies. I like blue mushrooms, just dig them up as you explore the first bit getting seeds and monster meat / glans too. The hard part is once you're at the island you gotta deal with monkey fights which are kinda meh... but if you grunt through a few of those you become monkey and can do whatever you want after that. 50 minutes ago, Wardin25 said: Also, yeah woodie is pretty much the best for anything to do with rushing ocean content, just bring a boat to get out of the island after turning Moonquay usually has a few boats on it that you can take, yeah? Too bad turning to Wonkey doesn't let you bring monkeys with you as followers lol That would be tight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsheen Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 45 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: People are saying Woodie, for what reasons I’m actually quite Unsure of, because in MY Experience playing as Woodie it takes a good while to gather the resources needed for his Itchy Totems, AND after using them you enter full out starvation status. Mike with all due respect it's 3 spiders and seeds, grass or logs to make an idol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 A weird alternative to Woodie could be Wicker. I'm not sure if it would be faster than Woodie (it would strongly depend on the RNG Woodie gets, but most likely it wont be faster) but Wicker could rush the 2 moon books before day 11, then make full moons every night, kill glommer often, and use the glommer goop to make enemy flares. If you use those on a boat, you will always get pirate raids, and killing them will give you enough trinkets to transform. It's an alternative that is independent of finding moon-quay island, and it has a few betting chances to get a krampus sack on the way to Wonkey (Although I wouldn't count on it) Option number 3 would be get glommer on day 11 as anyone, keep it alive, and keep summoning pirates as you collect goop, until your transform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardin25 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 11 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said: A weird alternative to Woodie could be Wicker. I'm not sure if it would be faster than Woodie (it would strongly depend on the RNG Woodie gets, but most likely it wont be faster) but Wicker could rush the 2 moon books before day 11, then make full moons every night, kill glommer often, and use the glommer goop to make enemy flares. If you use those on a boat, you will always get pirate raids, and killing them will give you enough trinkets to transform. It's an alternative that is independent of finding moon-quay island, and it has a few betting chances to get a krampus sack on the way to Wonkey (Although I wouldn't count on it) You would need to rush the archive and lunar island to get 2 lunar grimoires, so you're better off just looking for the moon quay from the get go honestly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 9 minutes ago, Wardin25 said: You would need to rush the archive and lunar island to get 2 lunar grimoires, so you're better off just looking for the moon quay from the get go honestly True, but finding both things can be more or less guaranteed if you follow certain patterns. I was able to find both things before day 11 a couple of times (but not craft the bookcase at the same time so yeah) Finding moon-quay is more RNG dependent of the corner of the world selected. That said, Wortox can save some time in that too, you just need to go with a grass boat to the corner picked, if it's not there, you TP to another edge of the world (or the closest your souls can give you) for the next grass boat to the corner trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wardin25 Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 2 minutes ago, ShadowDuelist said: That said, Wortox can save some time in that too, you just need to go with a grass boat to the corner picked, if it's not there, you TP to another edge of the world (or the closest your souls can give you) for the next grass boat to the corner trip. oh yeah he can tp with the map I forgot you truly do have a big brain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Safety Posted June 27 Share Posted June 27 If you know where the island is, I find Wolfgang to be faster since it's so easy to melt the powder monkeys as him. Plus his rowing bonus is good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 Sheesh I get Woodie isn't in the best of states but it's actually criminal how short he's being sold here and I'm actually in the Woodie needs a buff camp... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cr4zyFl4mes Posted June 28 Share Posted June 28 There can't be any strategy, unless you are trying to achieve the highest avarage time of getting wonkey curse. Obviously the best strategy is luck (finding mm for one idol as soon as possible and finding the island as soon as possible). If you were to try to optimize the time for many runs, then there could be a strategy - a math formula for the best ratio of land/sea exploration; the best ratio of getting resources (mm, seeds & other survivables) vs time given to exploration; and the most optimal path you should take on the ocean. Woodie would still be the most likely candidate here. If we were talking team composition, the answer would be more murky. For example, do you use woodie and wickerbottom for full moons (which can effectively double woodie's form)? Or do you use two woodies? Again, I'd bet the latter would be more efficient, because the moon book requires you to find archives and lunar island. Another interesting question could be, what is the best strategy to map out every single pixel of the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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