ArubaroBeefalo Posted February 19, 2023 Share Posted February 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Gi-Go said: Name me a single reason to play Wikerbottom other than to serve Maxwell. because is a sand box :/ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1621335 Share on other sites More sharing options...
00petar00 Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 21 hours ago, Bearger Enjoyer said: I think the suggested change on this post is a more interesting way to go about making Wickerbottom special than just locking him out of the bookcase. It'd also save Tempering Temperatures as it is... kind of a very weak book for what it does. I tried using it but I found myself going back to setting things on fire. TBH already 2.5x sanity is expensive and seldom book usage glues the bone helm to your head, so swapping out to head slot items is a bit more annoying when they're desired over bone helm (e.g. eyebrella for summer). I may simply care to stay Wicker based wholly on that. I like both characters and being able to read on Maxwell makes the game quite fun for me(I play with a Wicker who keeps forgetting to read), but I'm absolutely all in for giving Wicker even more extra love because she deserves it. E.g. in RoG Wicker says a varg can never be domesticated, but in DST she calls the idea an entertaining challenge. You could let her use a nerfed codex umbra so you could have 2 magician character choices, with one leaning towards the codex and the other better with books. (Her no longer hating the codex would be a neat development, after spending enough time in the constant assisted by her captor) Maxwell is already good enough on his own, he doesn't need to have permanent access to books just by playing Wickerbottom for a day after he gathers all materials to craft all the books he needs. I even said that it is fine if he is able to use books but at least no one should be able to open bookcase so that you can't literally play him and get benefits of 2 characters at the same time, not only is it bad for Wickerbottom players but also there's no need for him to be that useful. The changes ShadowDuelist suggested are good but that wouldn't really convince me to play Wickerbottom over Maxwell after I obtain bone helm. Its really hard for me to understand why people are saying that sanity matters at all when it comes to reading books when bone helm exists and majority of the players that are on the forums should be able to kill Fuelweaver in the first summer and by that time you would have gathered all the materials to craft as many books as you need. 13 hours ago, Gi-Go said: What would I change? Honestly I don't care about Wiker. She is irrelevant and I'm sure klei aren't interested in changing her. But, if klei do want to make her even a little bit enjoyable to play - here are my simple suggestions: 1. Make books equal. Some books drain more sanity that others, and some books only have 3 uses instead of 5 for absolutely zero reasons. Fix this. All books are cheap and spammable with book case and barely last without it. This "balance" feature is utter nonsense. 2. Buff Wiker reading benefits. Less sanity drain is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Klei are so stingy with sanity it's incredibly frustrating. Easiest stat to loose, hardest stat to refill and absolutely laughable gameplay relevance. I don't care if it's 125, 50 or 33 sanity per use I am not cooking banana shakes. I'd rather just not read books at all because I remind you 90% of characters can't read and couldn't care less. And then there's bone helmet. What was the idea of shadows spawning from reading again? 3. Buff books. I won't elaborate since noone reads this anyways, but new books smell like deadline and I don't like them. Two out of your three suggestions are to buff books which would buff Maxwell too and that wouldn't make you play Wickerbottom again. Sanity is the least of anyone's problems in DST, at the start you need to gather nightmare fuel for crafting so that's what you do in the first autumn and you can also get star caller's staff if you rush ruins so that you can use it during winter when you can obtain Tam o' Shanter. If you are well prepared with materials to craft weapons, low sanity only brings you nightmare fuel and technically you don't ever need to care about it but nightmare creatures are annoying and there are better ways to farm nightmare fuel. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1621367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 hours ago, 00petar00 said: Two out of your three suggestions are to buff books which would buff Maxwell too and that wouldn't make you play Wickerbottom again. Sanity is the least of anyone's problems in DST, at the start you need to gather nightmare fuel for crafting so that's what you do in the first autumn and you can also get star caller's staff if you rush ruins so that you can use it during winter when you can obtain Tam o' Shanter. If you are well prepared with materials to craft weapons, low sanity only brings you nightmare fuel and technically you don't ever need to care about it but nightmare creatures are annoying and there are better ways to farm nightmare fuel. Just read the TLDR. Majority of books are garbage in most scenarios due to sanity drain + nightmare spawning or barely having durability to justify carring them around. It's simply better to not use them and instead rely on items available for everyone - which makes books idiotic an perk design. If they all had 20 uses and barely damaged sanity (for wiker only) it could make her gameplay relevant. Fire, spider, sleep, temperature, light. These books are trash because they simply don't last, and actively punish you for using them. I'd rather be Wilson. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1621375 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDuelist Posted February 20, 2023 Author Share Posted February 20, 2023 31 minutes ago, Gi-Go said: Fire, spider, sleep, temperature, light. These books are trash because they simply don't last, and actively punish you for using them This is why I think she needs book regeneration herself. Even if it is at a lower rate than the bookcase to keep bookcases useful Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1621376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 5 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said: This is why I think she needs book regeneration herself. Even if it is at a lower rate than the bookcase to keep bookcases I think her being able to read books with x4 less durability break is better, since the intent is the same - less reliance on bookcase, but still needing recharge station. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1621393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 17 hours ago, Gi-Go said: I think her being able to read books with x4 less durability break is better, since the intent is the same - less reliance on bookcase, but still needing recharge station. makes sense that she would be more carefully with how to treat a book than a wimpy magician passive regeneration would help but i dont think it fits Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1621463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waitdire Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 2 hours ago, ArubaroBeefalo said: passive regeneration would help but i dont think it fits Just idea. What if Wicker and Winona could to be bookbinders? Repairing books with sewing kit or trust tape on x% (For example 15% for kit and less for tape, so as not to make the bookcase useless). This would make the books a little more flexible to use, sacrificing 2 slots you essentially have 1 book with 175% durability. And that would distinguish Wicker from Maxwell. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1621471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Darks Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 If you people want to use the "Why play Wicker when you can play Maxwell" argument... Literally why play anything other than Wanda lol. I'm not going to play Maxwell, a character with 75HP who also uses more sanity from Wicker's books. When I can just play Wicker. This next bit is not related to game balance, but like. Has it ever crossed anyone's mind, that some of us play Wickerbottom because her design, her skins and her quotes fit our preferences better than Maxwell? :) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1631648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 31 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said: Literally why play anything other than Wanda lol What? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1631654 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 On 2/16/2023 at 7:50 PM, 00petar00 said: Either take away his ability to read books or the better solution in my opinion is to just lock bookcase to Wickerbottom players so only they can open it like how Maxwell's magician's top hat works. Apparently you hate the igrks for the wurt On 2/16/2023 at 8:13 PM, Dragonboooorn said: Wickerbottom seem to be in a very good relationship with Wurt, she teach her new stuff and they read books together. Maxwell and Wickerbottom are also seem to be more than just acquaintances, judging by their quotes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1631780 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 On 4/24/2023 at 5:04 AM, Nikki Darks said: Has it ever crossed anyone's mind, that some of us play Wickerbottom because her design, her skins and her quotes fit our preferences better than Maxwell? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1631781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytrewq321 Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 On 4/24/2023 at 4:04 AM, Nikki Darks said: Literally why play anything other than Wanda lol. Because Wanda can't read. On 4/24/2023 at 4:04 AM, Nikki Darks said: Has it ever crossed anyone's mind, that some of us play Wickerbottom because her design, her skins and her quotes fit our preferences better than Maxwell? Maybe I'm misinterpreting the situation, but I don't think that it's about whether or not there are people who play Wickerbottom. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/146055-on-wickerbottom/page/2/#findComment-1631794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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