suggestion Figs should be easier to farm

[Juanasdf]

TLDR At the bottom

I'm slowly running out of things to do in my worlds, a few days ago I decided to do a fig farm... I wouldn't recommend it. Moving the nuts was tedious (even with Wolfgang and Wanda TPs), growing the trees was painfully slow and the worst part is the farm killed my FPS, which probably has to do with how many vines the game has to handle. (if anyone knows if there is a way to remove a prefab's idle animation let me know)

First of all, a knobbly tree will take around 16 days to grow into an above average tree trunk. This wouldn't be a problem if it weren't for the fact that knobbly tree nuts won't sprout if there is another tree in that space, UNLESS it has grown into an above average tree trunk.
This means two things:
1- If you want to plant them on the same spot, every 3/4 figs you want to grow will take you around 20 days to grow (initially). If you want to make a farm with around 40 figs it would take you around 200 days (+the time it takes to gather and move 10 nuts from the ocean to a better location).
2- If you space them out the farm will not only take a lot more space, but you'd also need more boats to cover the areas where the figs could spawn (and i'm pretty sure some figs would spawn inside the tree trunks)... or you'd have to use oars every time you want to grab the figs that spawn in the ocean.

Another problem that I found while trying to improve my FPS situation near the farm was to chop some of the trees. The problem is that when you chop/burn or even DESPAWN one of the trunks ALL of the fig spawners will fall, so better pray nothing happens to any of the trees.

It's WAY easier to farm them as Wickerbottom, since she can grow 10 figs at a time, meaning she would only need to plant 3 or 4 trees to efficiently farm them...

Why though? I get that figs are basically just good food to eat raw or cooked while exploring the ocean, but there are several food sources that are better and easier to farm, kelps and stone fruit bushes come to mind, even farm plots which are more efficient if you know how to use them. Wouldn't it be easier to allow us to refertilize the trunk and turn 1 tree jam (which you can only get every 2 to 4 days because of glommer) into a new fig spawner? Would that be OP? 

I'm attaching a screenshot of what an 80-ish fig farm looks like in case anyone would like to see it. Game runs at 55-59 fps in there (constant 60 far away from it).

TLDR: Figs are a pain in the *ss to farm, would allowing us to refertilize an above average tree trunk with a tree jam to create a new fig spawner be OP?

[reallychina]

You re not supposed to be able to  stack figs like that. Figs are a bonus to the tree trunk protection, and thats about it. 

[Juanasdf]

8 minutes ago, reallychina said:

You re not supposed to be able to  stack figs like that. Figs are a bonus to the tree trunk protection, and thats about it. 

Not really but you can do it, which is why I'm suggesting an alternative. Should that be reported as a bug then?  The nuts don't grow if there's a tree growing, but they do if it has reached the above average trunk state, which is weird because if they check if there's a tree there idk why they wouldn't check that, since they have the same prefab: oceantree ( "_short" / "_normal" / "_tall" / "_pillar")

[EighteenXVIII]

It's interesting that they have four different food recipes, and they seem like a semi-decent early game ingredient (1 fig + 1 carrot + 2 mushrooms makes figatoni). But then they're also annoying to harvest if you're not a Webber player, and even just navigating around all the tree trunks sticking out of the water is dangerous without boat patches. And you could be rowing for a long time before even finding the biome.

The waterlogged biome is really cool but it would be nice if the old message in a bottle had a chance to reveal one of them on your map.

As far as transplanting the fig trees, it's quite tedious indeed for the reward that you get. This would probably require a lot of extra coding, but it'd be nice if the trees could be planted on land. Then you could have wildfire protection on your whole map (eventually). I wonder if that would incentivize people enough to start farming figs.

[Juanasdf]

2 minutes ago, EighteenXVIII said:

it'd be nice if the trees could be planted on land. Then you could have wildfire protection on your whole map (eventually). I wonder if that would incentivize people enough to start farming figs.

Honestly I think that woul'd be too OP, it would make desert basing and flingos almost useless (besides fire hounds)

[EighteenXVIII]

3 minutes ago, Juanasdf said:

Honestly I think that woul'd be too OP, it would make desert basing and flingos almost useless (besides fire hounds)

I mean those would still be viable ways of coping with wildfires. To plant an above average tree you need to buy Pearl's pinchin' winch, then you need to find a waterlogged biome, bring back the tree cone to land, carry it slowly (unless you have Wolfgang or a Beefalo), and then get lots of glommer goop to start making tree jam, take frequent trips back to waterlogged biome for more figs, feed the tree tree jam for 20 days, and then eventually you have a big tree.

It's no surprise many people base in the Oasis. It avoids all the hassle. This would give people more options, provided they're willing to put in a ton of effort.

[Juanasdf]

 

6 minutes ago, EighteenXVIII said:

get lots of glommer goop to start making tree jam, take frequent trips back to waterlogged biome for more figs

You'd only need to make one trip per tree (or you can move several on a boat), glommer will passively produce goop since the moment you grab him, and the tree jam doesn't spoil, meaning you can bring a bunch of figs (8 to fully grow a tree on your base) and not go back until you want more trees. But yes, you still need to get them.

[omegapent]

not surprised why stacking tree killed your FPS...

[Juanasdf]

2 minutes ago, omegapent said:

not surprised why stacking tree killed your FPS...

TBH i thought the game was going to handle it better considering other (big) mob farms i made. For example: it was capable of handling more than 80 splumonkey's AI pathing on a splumonkey farm but not 80 fig vines.

[Captain_Rage]

But it is supposed to be a long term investment. If you make it easier and faster to obtain it will feel even more boring (personally I think slowly shaping parts of the world according to the actions of the player is a nice thing, but there seems to be a big crowd who is only after instant gratification).

[Mx-Pain]

This in a console and split screen is a game killer fps.

[Juanasdf]

22 minutes ago, Captain_Rage said:

But it is supposed to be a long term investment. If you make it easier and faster to obtain it will feel even more boring (personally I think slowly shaping parts of the world according to the actions of the player is a nice thing, but there seems to be a big crowd who is only after instant gratification).

Of course, its great to see your progress over a long period of time, thats like the best part of megabasing. The process of moving trees is still there though, what i'd like to change is the process of adding more figs to a tree. Refertilizing the trunk wouldn't grow a fig vine instantly, it would take 4 days, meaning you'd need to come back to it every now and then.

It's basically taking those 16 days it would take to fully grow a tree and dividing it by 4 (the number of figs you'd get) = 4 days per fig vine you want to add (and you eliminate the RNG in that 33% chance of getting the fourth one when a tree grows).

In the end its the same but with this method you'd be choosing to "waste" glommer goop: You trade the process of bringing back nuts, which would cover more areas of your base, to using more jam in a single tree, to keep all the fig vines together for easier gathering.

This would eliminate the hassle of moving several tree nuts just for the sake of figs, and stacking the trees together, while also having the same amount of babysitting.

[Efrendi]

What I'd like to see is an option that gets activated while you're carrying a nut and you're right on the edge of the water to just drop it into the water yourself. It seems stupid to me that instead of chucking it into the drink, you have to build another boat, build a winch on it, place the nut on the winch and lower it down. Let me just chuck it over the edge when I'm near it, please.

[twitchgabo]

On 5/29/2022 at 10:20 AM, reallychina said:

You re not supposed to be able to  stack figs like that. Figs are a bonus to the tree trunk protection, and thats about it. 

And also besides that, they are kinda useless since tree jam is just a fertilizer and fig recipes are also not that good :s

[Juanasdf]

 

1 hour ago, twitchgabo said:

And also besides that, they are kinda useless since tree jam is just a fertilizer and fig recipes are also not that good :s

I specifically said they weren't good and that I didn't think it would be OP to change the method for farming them (because better food sources are available). I just wanted to do it because a) I've never done it before and b) I'm running out of stuff to do