aquamarine1026 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 I think we should add more mechanics to Wormwood so his character settings can be closely attached to a plant boy from the moon! 1. Photosynthesis [Advantage-Version 1] In daylight, he can consume 5 wetness to recover 1 health per 5 seconds. [Advantage-Version 2] In daylight, he can consume 5 hunger to recover 1 health per 5 seconds when he's wet. [Advantage-Version 3] In daylight, he can restore 1 health per 5 seconds when he's wet as well as the body temperature is higher than 0℃. [Disadvantage] If the wetness exceed 50, he will lose 10% moving speed for each 10 wetness obtained. (Totally 50% moving speed lost when in 100 wetness. Because sodden wood is too heavy to be moved.) 2. Moon Power Wormwood comes from the moon but he somehow gets lost on the land. After talking to the moon again, he will regain the special lunar power of how to plant. [How to unlock Wormwood's lunar recipes in Green Thumb Tab?] With the help of the following conditions, Wormwood can talk to the moon and unlock the special moon power. (1) Defeat Celestial Champion (100% unlocked) (2) Celestial Altar (75% unlocked) (3) Celestial Sanctum (75% unlocked) (4) Celestial Tribute (75% unlocked) (5) Moon Stone with Moon Caller's Staff (50% unlocked) (6) Celestial Orb (25% unlocked) [Advantage 1] After moon power unlocked, Wormwood can craft many special magic seeds which can grow on specific turfs. For example, he can consume 10 health and 10 reeds to craft 1 reed seed, and it can be planted only on the Marsh Turf. Special Magic Seeds of special plants: [25% unlocked] flower, fern, succulent (consume 5 health to craft 1 seed without any ingredients) [50% unlocked] Magic Fertilizer (consume 5 health to craft 1 fertilizer, which can turn plants into special variants, such as: mushroom-mushtree-lunar mushtree, light flower-double light flower-triple light flower, etc.) [75% unlocked] light flower, banana tree, reed, lichen, cactus, bull kelp, stone fruit bush (consume 10 health and 10 ingredients to craft 1 seed.) [100% unlocked] Mandrake, Magic Tree (consume 1 purple gem to craft 1 Mandrake seed, consume 1 Enlightened Crown to craft 1 seed of the Magic Tree. Magic Tree can do many things. It can offer protection against overheat, rain and lightning. What's more, it can teleport player from one tree to another. And it can also provide the everlasting light for all the plants around, which makes fruits and crops to be giant forever. Besides, the Magic Tree can keep Wormwood bloomed permanently and recover 1 health per 5 seconds without any cost. It can also revive the dead players. But Wormwood has to provide 30 Magic Fertilizers and 1 Mandrake to maintain the growth of the tree every year. ) [Advantage 2] In moonlight, Wormwood's health will generate dramatically, like 1 health per 10 seconds no matter he's wet or not. Full moon, Celestial Fissures and Polar Star will provide moonlight to Wormwood. [Disadvantage] Wormwood is not a big fan of dark magic. So he will lose sanity greatly by using any items related to dark magic (twice than other characters) and he will lose his sanity faster when in darkness. Thank you for reading my thoughts about Wormwood! I wish it could be realized. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/140252-suggestions-wormwood-moon-crystal-power-make-up/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodyRandom Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 5 hours ago, aquamarine1026 said: 1 Enlightening Snare Did you mean Enlightened Crown Shard? Cause Enlightening Snare isn't an item. Also the Magic Tree seems kinda op. 5 hours ago, aquamarine1026 said: Wormwood is not a big fan of dark magic. So he will lose sanity greatly by using any items related to dark magic (twice than other characters) and he will lose his sanity faster when in darkness. Sounds like a cool idea, would definitely encourage me to carry pinecones more often than just in the Fuelweaver fight (Which I should definitely be doing after I fight CC in my worlds) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/140252-suggestions-wormwood-moon-crystal-power-make-up/#findComment-1570583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 This sounds like a complete rework, which I unfortunately don't think he will be getting. Also some of the things you gave him were health based, which he doesn't really need. I've seen the water healing thing be suggested before but plants drinking water isn't different from other animals drinking water. Giving water to a damaged plant helps in it's regrowth just as much as a human drinking water to get over a cut. Secondly, nerfing his interaction with dark magic will cause an anti-synergy with his living logs. Living logs are already a weakened perk because of mushgnomes and his inability to farm nightmare fuel easier, so his advantage is already low as it is. This change would just it push it over the abyss. The magic tree is a cool concept but I think teleportation should be available to all characters and the other things it does is just a copy of the above average trees (and has some balancing issues). I like the idea of new seed powers that he can obtain from interacting with the moon and I think having them be a team support perk is the right direction. Other than his small farming perks (ew) and living logs (not that great) he doesn't have much for his team. I do think his seeds should also cost health as he "blesses" them with his gem to mutate them and get them under his control. I honestly though he would get some kind of interaction with the weeds than came with farming, but nope. Finally, I do hope we get some kind of way to get banana trees somehow down the line. They get raided by splumonkeys or you have kill the splumonkeys themselves. As far as favorite foods go this isn't a very good one. KLEI should honestly just change it to red mushrooms, but then again Wormwood doesn't have hunger issues (that's probably why it's so out of the way). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/140252-suggestions-wormwood-moon-crystal-power-make-up/#findComment-1570620 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquamarine1026 Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 12 hours ago, SomebodyRandom said: Did you mean Enlightened Crown Shard? Cause Enlightening Snare isn't an item. Also the Magic Tree seems kinda op. Sounds like a cool idea, would definitely encourage me to carry pinecones more often than just in the Fuelweaver fight (Which I should definitely be doing after I fight CC in my worlds) Yes, that's a spelling mistake. Thanks for your help. I will replace the wrong word "Enlightening Snare" with the right word "Enlightened Crown". Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/140252-suggestions-wormwood-moon-crystal-power-make-up/#findComment-1570739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waoling Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Might I suggest my idea of Wormwood? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/140252-suggestions-wormwood-moon-crystal-power-make-up/#findComment-1570743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquamarine1026 Posted May 16, 2022 Author Share Posted May 16, 2022 10 hours ago, HowlVoid said: Also most of the thing you gave him were health based, which he doesn't really need. I've seen the water healing thing be suggested before but plants drinking water isn't different from other animals drinking water. Giving water to a damaged plant helps in it's regrowth just as much as a human drinking water to get over a cut. So I emphasize the synergy of daylight. Photosythesis can't be commenced without sunlight. A damaged plant does need sunlight, water and nutrient to regain its health. Anyway, I just hope Wormwood can have more access to healing. 10 hours ago, HowlVoid said: Secondly, nerfing his interaction with dark magic will cause an anti-synergy with his living logs. Living logs are already a weakened perk because of mushgnomes and his inability to farm nightmare fuel easier, so his advantage is already low as it is. This change would just it push it over the abyss. I totally agree this point. But Gestalts always fight against Shadow Creatures. Wormwood is obviously related to the moon. Cutting livewood from Wormwood is also another way to use dark magic. So it is quite reasonable that using darkness magic may harm Worwood (by losing 20 health). Celestial power and shadow magic seem to be contradictory but kind of associated with each other. 10 hours ago, HowlVoid said: The magic tree is a cool concept but I think teleportation should be available to all characters and the other things it does is just a copy of the above average trees (and has some balancing issues). I like the idea of new seed powers that he can obtain from interacting with the moon and I think having them be a team support perk is the right direction. Other than his small farming perks (ew) and living logs (not that great) he doesn't have much for his team. I do think his seeds should also cost health as he "blesses" them with his gem to mutate them and get them under his control. I honestly though he would get some kind of interaction with the weeds than came with farming, but nope. Finally, I do hope we get some kind of way to get banana trees somehow down the line. They get raided by splumonkeys or you have kill the splumonkeys themselves. As far as favorite foods go this isn't a very good one. KLEI should honestly just change it to red mushrooms, but then again Wormwood doesn't have hunger issues (that's probably why it's so out of the way). Yes, the idea of Magic Tree is kind of op. It does need a huge amount of work, which can hardly be realized. Thank you for supporting my points of Magic Seeds. Many characters have thier own unique mechanics that can't be easily replaced. However, the poor Wormwood isn't the same. We can find many ways to replace his advantages. I think, ideas about Magic Seeds could offer Wormwood an opportunity to stand out. Finally, thank you for sharing your points. 31 minutes ago, Waoling said: Might I suggest my idea of Wormwood? Of course. My pleasure. As you wish. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/140252-suggestions-wormwood-moon-crystal-power-make-up/#findComment-1570745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DajeKotlyar Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Sounds cool. Not everything but most of it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/140252-suggestions-wormwood-moon-crystal-power-make-up/#findComment-1570766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astraia Posted May 16, 2022 Share Posted May 16, 2022 Wormwood should produce Glucose with the power if photosynthesis, it will fill his hunger level, and the sunlight will give him sanity/health (idk) He can water himself with rain or water balloons Photosynthesis I like your idea too Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/140252-suggestions-wormwood-moon-crystal-power-make-up/#findComment-1570805 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodIess Posted May 17, 2022 Share Posted May 17, 2022 I have long wanted him to be able to restore HP when it is daytime and it is raining, for example, at the speed of marmalade. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/140252-suggestions-wormwood-moon-crystal-power-make-up/#findComment-1571009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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