I think 6 slots is perfectly fine.

[00petar00]

4 hours ago, loopuleasa said:

6 slots is fine

reworked wx is already way better than old wx

if you needed 300+ all stats, you were bad at the game

Its kind of objectively false that reworked WX-78 is better if you meant that he was stronger, while i agree that he is not reliant on another character for his main power to overcharge, he was much stronger and was nerfed in the refresh which is completely fine as he was too strong.

Stats are mostly a cushion, they are useless and only players that get surprised when they are not wearing armor will use it, its mostly useless because his other circuits allow him to not gather resources or give him speed which will always matter.

I also don't understand where people are pulling the 7% for speed when you use three 2.0 circuits, that's 50% speed and in DST speed is multiplied, its not additive so any additional speed item you use will just give you much more speed compared to someone that doesn't have speed buffs.

3x speed or moggles and speed is the strongest meta build for him, no one is saying that it is the best build for everyone but just that this is the best combination.

7 slots would be really useful and allow him to do many more combinations, he shouldn't be able to add the the 1 slot speed circuit with 3 of the 2.0 speed circuits, there can just be a limit for that but it allows him to use circuits that cost 4 and 3 at the same time which would make using other builds without speed at least somewhat viable when it comes to meta.

While i also understand that many players don't play with a focus on what is best, there are also many that do and there's really no reason not to balance around strongest circuits or nerf them.

[blacknight7890]

9 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

7 slots would be really useful and allow him to do many more combinations, he shouldn't be able to add the the 1 slot speed circuit with 3 of the 2.0 speed circuits, there can just be a limit for that but it allows him to use circuits that cost 4 and 3 at the same time which would make using other builds without speed at least somewhat viable when it comes to meta.

Thing is, there is only four 3 slot circuits: the music box, the worse jellybean, and the two temperature circuits. as much as I like it, no one will use the music box for anything outside the occasional mass farming, and the dronemaster circuit is up for heavy debate on its viability. which means the only viable 3 slot circuit to use is the temperature circuits. and since the only 4 slot circuits are light based, that means moggles or light are the only available combos with it. Being immune to darkness and seasons, infinitely, at the exact same time is a bit much for one character to have. they already nerfed his now lost overcharge by splitting it up into circuits, having 7 slots will just bring it back, but even stronger (if slower). That's all most people will use 7 slots for, other than having two speed and a temp circuit. outside those, you will, at best, get an extra 50 health with 7 slots.

Being forced to choose between moggles or temperature immunity is a good balancing choice in my view. it allows both options to be available, but make it so you have to make a hard choice on what you want to be immune to depending on the situation. You have to choose one or the other, you can't have both, and that make the character more interesting. it gives you a reason to respec your circuits, outside of wanting more speed, sacrificing one immunity for the other as your situation changes. its unique, dynamic, and keeps things balanced... mostly.

[00petar00]

26 minutes ago, blacknight7890 said:

Thing is, there is only four 3 slot circuits: the music box, the worse jellybean, and the two temperature circuits. as much as I like it, no one will use the music box for anything outside the occasional mass farming, and the dronemaster circuit is up for heavy debate on its viability. which means the only viable 3 slot circuit to use is the temperature circuits. and since the only 4 slot circuits are light based, that means moggles or light are the only available combos with it. Being immune to darkness and seasons, infinitely, at the exact same time is a bit much for one character to have. they already nerfed his now lost overcharge by splitting it up into circuits, having 7 slots will just bring it back, but even stronger (if slower). That's all most people will use 7 slots for, other than having two speed and a temp circuit. outside those, you will, at best, get an extra 50 health with 7 slots.

But there's really no reason to pick temperature circuits unless you are doing something specific and don't want to care or be bothered by seasons.

Seasons are quite easy as it is, why would you take 3 circuit slots and not even be able to use two 2.0 speed circuits, speed is also a big reason why it isn't that good to use thermal circuits

In winter when you have furnace and star caller's staff or even just the staff is enough, burning trees while walking around with torch also helps staying warm.

Night vision is so much better in winter because of how long nights are, it just makes winter feel like autumn.

Now if you combine night vision while you have furnace or you base near dragonfly like i used to do sometimes and i'd just leave thermal stones near lava pools, they would be heated to 90 degrees.

When it comes to spring and summer they are also very trivial when you have eyebrella, it is especially good for WX-78 because of rain protection being 100%, also i usually spend summer in caves so the season never has any effect on me anyway.

26 minutes ago, blacknight7890 said:

Being forced to choose between moggles or temperature immunity is a good balancing choice in my view. it allows both options to be available, but make it so you have to make a hard choice on what you want to be immune to depending on the situation. You have to choose one or the other, you can't have both, and that make the character more interesting. it gives you a reason to respec your circuits, outside of wanting more speed, sacrificing one immunity for the other as your situation changes. its unique, dynamic, and keeps things balanced... mostly.

I think that the issue is that there aren't that many circuits that take 3 slots that are really useful, dronemaster should be buffed. So if there were 7 slots most people would still pick night vision and speed and the last slot could be what they prefer or thermal and 2 speed,this becomes viable option to compete with night vision and maybe as a third choice night vision and themal, there's just not that many options there, if dronemaster was decent i would never pick thermal over it.

[blacknight7890]

7 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

I think that the issue is that there aren't that many circuits that take 3 slots that are really useful, dronemaster should be buffed. So if there were 7 slots most people would still pick night vision and speed and the last slot could be what they prefer or thermal and 2 speed and maybe night vision and themal would be the third choice, there's just not that many options there, if dronemaster was decent i would never pick thermal over it.

If thermal isn't that good, then what's the point of 7 slots? Dronemaster isn't anything to write home about as of now, and the music box is a novelty at best. Even if you turn a 1 speed 1 three slot, into a 2 speed and a 1 three slot, you only get like, 15 percent more speed, or something. I don't know exactly how it scales, only that it goes down with every subsequent speed circuit added.

This means that adding a 7th slot is a minimal boost at best, and edging towards broken at worst.

I still think that turning the light circuit into a three slot would allow a little more versatility that a supposed 7th slot would give, without actually adding more slots. Infinite light is already possible in the game, and is far weaker than infinite moggles, but still provides the same benefit, immunity to darkness. it would allow you to have visibility in darkness and another three slot circuit, but its far weaker than moggles, so the moggles circuit is still preferable to most players. this provides an interesting choice, do you go for the weaker light circuit, and gain the benefit of another 3 slot circuit, or do you go for the much stronger moggels circuit, and limit yourself to a 2 slot circuit? That would provide far more interesting gameplay in my opinion.

[00petar00]

2 minutes ago, blacknight7890 said:

If thermal isn't that good, then what's the point of 7 slots? Dronemaster isn't anything to write home about as of now, and the music box is a novelty at best. Even if you turn a 1 speed 1 three slot, into a 2 speed and a 1 three slot, you only get like, 15 percent more speed, or something. I don't know exactly how it scales, only that it goes down with every subsequent speed circuit added.

If something isn't that good by increasing slots that gives more reason for it to be used. It mostly comes down to thermal and 2 speed circuits being a completely decent setup you could have if he had 7 slots, nothing else makes much sense but if dronemaster was buffed, that could also work with 2 speed circuits.

3 minutes ago, blacknight7890 said:

I still think that turning the light circuit into a three slot would allow a little more versatility that a supposed 7th slot would give, without actually adding more slots. Infinite light is already possible in the game, and is far weaker than infinite moggles, but still provides the same benefit, immunity to darkness. it would allow you to have visibility in darkness and another three slot circuit, but its far weaker than moggles, so the moggles circuit is still preferable to most players. this provides an interesting choice, do you go for the weaker light circuit, and gain the benefit of another 3 slot circuit, or do you go for the much stronger moggels circuit, and limit yourself to a 2 slot circuit? That would provide far more interesting gameplay in my opinion.

Illumination circuit while it wouldn't be that useful when you play alone and if it was only for solo players, it could be 3 slots and it would give more versatility but the issue is what if you play with 6 or 12 people and you use it? It would be cheaper compared to night vision and actually be better, i think that is why it costs the same.

[reallychina]

5 hours ago, blacknight7890 said:

Even if you turn a 1 speed 1 three slot, into a 2 speed and a 1 three slot, you only get like, 15 percent more speed, or something. I don't know exactly how it scales, only that it goes down with every subsequent speed circuit added.

15% is MASSIVE. It's very close to a magiluminescence which is 20%.

Considering you can stack speed with cane and magi (and road contextually) AND speed modules, each module adds a significant buff even if on paper it's scaling down.

The second speed circuit makes or breaks wx. The third is good too but at that point you could argue a thermal circuit is a somewhat decent replacement, or at least the downside of picking it over 3rd speed is minimal.

By the way this is how much faster wx is compared to glossamer beefalo 

 

 

[allmeitysk]

Light and speed and you good for basebuilding and fighting. Umbrella in sprint, tamo in winter and goggles in summer. Works perfectly for me. 

[loopuleasa]

8 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

Its kind of objectively false that reworked WX-78 is better if you meant that he was stronger

 

if I give you 100 dollars now those are worth more than 500 dollars in 10 years

that's why the new wx rework is better, because it is more practical and you get infinite uptime, cheap, and early

even if power ceiling is slightly lower (you are missing heat and light from overcharge, but same speed)

[Flip Face]

13 hours ago, loopuleasa said:

6 slots is fine

reworked wx is already way better than old wx

if you needed 300+ all stats, you were bad at the game

I think Klei just put the health boost etc.

So people wouldn't miss gear upgrades, or complain about rework.

So they could focus on other points instead of having to re-implement something they had removed, even though it was a beta.

Not to mention that this was the essence of the character for a long time.

[00petar00]

13 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

if I give you 100 dollars now those are worth more than 500 dollars in 10 years

that's why the new wx rework is better, because it is more practical and you get infinite uptime, cheap, and early

even if power ceiling is slightly lower (you are missing heat and light from overcharge, but same speed)

Maybe it is cheap considering how easy it is to get some of the best circuits but that is not good enough when you compare to what he was before and i never had trouble charging him when it was so easy if you had a Wickerbottom.

I know that it is better for him to be able to access his own power without any help but you can't really argue that he wasn't so much stronger.

The issue is that the ceiling isn't slightly lower but much lower compared to before when he had 400 health,200 hunger,300 sanity, 50% speed boost, permanent light, immune to freezing, now you probably would need like 3x more pins/slots to do that, there is a reason to nerf him as even as he is now he is probably top 3rd or 4th strongest character according to his power.

[loopuleasa]

1 minute ago, 00petar00 said:

you can't really argue that he wasn't so much stronger.

I can argue actually.

The main thing was the +50% speed, which he now has perma-uptime on.

The light and heat was not a big deal in comparison.

 

the fact that you relied on wicker or moslings (have to wait until spring) was a big deal

[00petar00]

3 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

I can argue actually.

The main thing was the +50% speed, which he now has perma-uptime on.

The light and heat was not a big deal in comparison.

 

the fact that you relied on wicker or moslings (have to wait until spring) was a big deal

No you can't really, i don't get how you don't understand that he would need like 15 pins/slots to match if not more.

While there is truth in what you are saying that 50% speed is the strongest part of his kit, now you have to choose to only have speed if you want to have that much, while before he could have everything with him just requiring help to get charged. 

If you had Wickerbottom she could charge him for 20 days at once, so i don't see how hard could it be if you don't play alone.

[loopuleasa]

1 minute ago, 00petar00 said:

snip

you are focusing too much on what it says on paper, and not how it plays in practice

play around with the new rework, it's much stronger in practice

you are fixated on the high power ceiling of having "15 pin slots" worth of stuff, when in reality it was the speed boost + heat and light

the heat and light part is not worth it in practice, with all the hustle you had to go through

my prediction is that after the rework you will see literally 10 times the number of WXs running at +50% speed in your game than before, and that's what I mean by "in practice"

[00petar00]

11 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

you are focusing too much on what it says on paper, and not how it plays in practice

play around with the new rework, it's much stronger in practice

you are fixated on the high power ceiling of having "15 pin slots" worth of stuff, when in reality it was the speed boost + heat and light

the heat and light part is not worth it in practice, with all the hustle you had to go through

my prediction is that after the rework you will see literally 10 times the number of WXs running at +50% speed in your game than before, and that's what I mean by "in practice"

You are focusing too much on the imaginary difficulty it was to charge him before, while it is true that you'll see many more WX-78 players on public servers as it wasn't always easy or nearly impossible to find a Wickerbottom to charge him if you played alone so it is normal for a character that needed help from another character to be more popular when he has access to his strongest powers on his own and also it is easier for newer players to get his circuits too.

What husle was there to go though? he is best character for ruins and so he could easily obtain red gems there and all he needed was some reeds so Wicker could craft books.

[vorti]

22 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

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I have no idea what shopcat actually means, and at this point, I'm too afraid to ask.

[leo920101]

5 hours ago, loopuleasa said:

if I give you 100 dollars now those are worth more than 500 dollars in 10 years

why? Is there inflation in DST?

6 slot is fine for you, I got it.

18 hours ago, loopuleasa said:

if you needed 300+ all stats, you were bad at the game

If you want to put it that way, Hardy Circuit & super-Processing Circuit either doesn't make any sense AT all, or their purpose is to prove that players are BAD AT THE GAME, so why not redesign them?

[-Nick-]

I think 7 slots is nice. 

[loopuleasa]

2 hours ago, leo920101 said:

If you want to put it that way, Hardy Circuit & super-Processing Circuit either doesn't make any sense AT all, or their purpose is to prove that players are BAD AT THE GAME, so why not redesign them?

players that are bad at the game need those items, no need to redesign

dst is one long journey of explartion and leveling up your game knowledge and skill

[leo920101]

28 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

players that are bad at the game need those items, no need to redesign

dst is one long journey of explartion and leveling up your game knowledge and skill

Do you buy it yourself?

have you notice that almost every single player here in this discussion can finish a standard game with Wilson or even Wes?

ever wonder why they still care about hardy circuit, which just been categorized by you into "BAD AT GAME" circuit.

 

Obviously you don't care much, just like you wrote "Fine with Early Game" in another topic without realizing that everyone would rather use night vision /speed 1.0.

[blacknight7890]

Again, keep things civil people, we don't need to go making hostile assumption of others, or insinuating a lack of intelligence.

[Masterblaster38]

What is happening is not that people are wanting a 7 slot, they want a more important DOWNSIDE but get a 7 slot in return or make the 7 slot hard to get, like a end-game stuff, like getting It from Wagstaff or something.

Most people are also wanting more downsides, but at least get something in return, like having 100 points in each stat is a Big hit.

[Flarezen]

42 minutes ago, Masterblaster38 said:

What is happening is not that people are wanting a 7 slot, they want a more important DOWNSIDE but get a 7 slot in return or make the 7 slot hard to get, like a end-game stuff, like getting It from Wagstaff or something.

Most people are also wanting more downsides, but at least get something in return, like having 100 points in each star is a Big hit.

Edit: sadly no 7th slot 

[Masterblaster38]

12 minutes ago, Flarezen said:

now we got 7 slots with only 25 hit on hp and 20 on hunger with actual downsides which is great

In reality from having 100 in each stat you lose basically 50 hunger and health and 100 sanity, and they are very important changes especially the sanity and hunger ones.

However if they add another downside I think they must put another 7 slot to unlock someway.

[leo920101]

2 hours ago, blacknight7890 said:

Again, keep things civil people, we don't need to go making hostile assumption of others, or insinuating a lack of intelligence.

it doesn't matter now, I love you bro, I love him too, no more argument, let enjoy the brand new 3 slot illumination circuit

[blacknight7890]

1 minute ago, leo920101 said:

it doesn't matter now, I love you bro, I love him too, no more argument, let enjoy the brand new 3 slot illumination circuit

Thanks, and I very much will.