Vent my frustration.

[Flip Face]

People say Wes is a challenge character.

"So if you don't want a challenge don't play with it"

Oh I have to read people complaining that Wormwood is not good because Wx is better.

When Wormwood was designed better than any character to tend the farms.

I could say "If you don't want to sit on the base don't play Wormwood"

So I see people saying they want there to be ways to load Wx that aren't locked behind other characters.

And then I remember people writing that Wes should be the only one not enjoying his privileges.

Because he should help the team. But without ceasing to be challenging.

Then came Wolfgang's rework in my head and... It didn't bring anything to help the team...

If you think Wes is good then you definitely don't just play him. Because if you were main you would already be pulling your hair out of boredom.

They complain about swapping characters, but if you swap Wes you shouldn't say the character is good.

Sorry if I was rude, the text was translated by Google, but I'm really upset.

I thought about saying this before, but I ended up keeping it to myself until I saw these discussions that made me overflow.

I'm not focusing on anyone, this is just a collective unconscious that my mind has realized exists.

Or a pattern I noticed.

Even knowing that people who think this way come to their opinions legitimately, because the same situations can present themselves in different ways for each character.

But regardless of the nuances of each situation I can only see the whole.

[jan Mele]

9 minutes ago, Cursed Name said:

"So if you don't want a challenge don't play with it"

Oh I have to read people complaining that Wormwood is not good because Wx is better.

Wormweed is similar to Wx, they just have different downsides and ways to access the upsides.

[ShadowDuelist]

I still think Wes should have better RNG chances when getting loot if he is nearby. So at least he’d have that and enjoy your challenge with a purpose or a benefit for others.

[Chesmu]

3 hours ago, Cursed Name said:

People say Wes is a challenge character.

"So if you don't want a challenge don't play with it"

Oh I have to read people complaining that Wormwood is not good because Wx is better.

When Wormwood was designed better than any character to tend the farms.

I could say "If you don't want to sit on the base don't play Wormwood"

So I see people saying they want there to be ways to load Wx that aren't locked behind other characters.

And then I remember people writing that Wes should be the only one not enjoying his privileges.

Because he should help the team. But without ceasing to be challenging.

Then came Wolfgang's rework in my head and... It didn't bring anything to help the team...

If you think Wes is good then you definitely don't just play him. Because if you were main you would already be pulling your hair out of boredom.

They complain about swapping characters, but if you swap Wes you shouldn't say the character is good.

Sorry if I was rude, the text was translated by Google, but I'm really upset.

I thought about saying this before, but I ended up keeping it to myself until I saw these discussions that made me overflow.

I'm not focusing on anyone, this is just a collective unconscious that my mind has realized exists.

Or a pattern I noticed.

Even knowing that people who think this way come to their opinions legitimately, because the same situations can present themselves in different ways for each character.

But regardless of the nuances of each situation I can only see the whole.

This is all actually non-important matter right here, since most of what you've heared (the complaints) are intentional flame-war provoking things said by weird-few here and there; It's simply the highschool attitude / bullying to tell other players what to play what to like or what to do, while they are giving a feedback or complaint directly about a character.

Now your intention is to counter these with same logic which is a wrong intention if you ask me, because you are commiting the same mistake unknowingly, and further extending their behaviour by yourself saying don't do this and that.

To help solve this, just know they are not developers of this game, just a player writing an ill-put complaint or post about something, and the developers are smart enough not to take in count a suggestion given by a single individual (They've rejected my suggestions many times because comminity didn't ask for it / disliked it). And the players are also smart enough not to take orders from another player about how to play.

Now to talk about the points made:

The very important point is, you misunderstood people saying "Wes is good", because they are not serious. There is a meme going around about this character, and everyone knows it is weak and fragile, but keep promoting him everywhere to make a laugh.
 

And the main objective of character refreshes is not being helpful to others in the server, but to have the ability to be helpful when a players wants to play by teamwork; Those upset with teamwork topics are mostly bossing people around and micromanaging in most cases; Your whole gameplay can't be sitting in the base and harvesting plants for another player to eat right? everyone should do everything they enjoy the most.

[jan Mele]

39 minutes ago, Chesmu said:

It's simply the highschool attitude / bullying to tell other players what to play what to like or what to do

,  _  '  Hypocritical

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Kind of hypocritical of me to point out hypocrisy

 

[Chesmu]

7 minutes ago, jan Mele said:

,  _  '  Hypocritical

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Kind of hypocritical of me to point out hypocrisy

 

I'm very confused right now.

But Wes is still the best character.

[HowlVoid]

Just thought I'd add my 2 cents since it was kinda my fault that Wormwood became a topic of discussion in the beta.

The problem isn't Wx-78 > Wormwood

It's Wx-78=Wormwood in that they share similarities but Wormwood has a harder time obtaining those core perks. Speed being one of Wormwood's core perks, greenthumb being a lack luster core perk, relates to plants being an almost useless core perk, and yet having one of the most detrimental downsides in the game. 

The translation from Hamlet to DST was not a flawless transition. I'd also like to vent my frustration that Wormwood was never a "farming" character and I'd hate for him to go down that route. Wormwood "the lonesome" is a testament to the hardships of being alone and independent, he's a little boy plant against the world on his way to make his mark in nature. Some may disagree but that's how I always took it.  I'll make posts about it once the Wx-78 hype has gone down but that's how I feel about it for those not in the beta side of the forum.

I'd also like to add that seeing someone "complain" about something they don't like in the game should be inherently seen as something "bad". Discussion and critiques are encouraged by Klei as long as they're on topic, without personal attacks and aren't complete nonsense.  

[hhh2]

2 hours ago, ShadowDuelist said:

I still think Wes should have better RNG chances when getting loot if he is nearby. So at least he’d have that and enjoy your challenge with a purpose or a benefit for others.

holy crap 10K community rep congrats.

[Mike23Ua]

You have to take into consideration WHY people say Wes is good, and what their using him in a open world Sandbox game to do…

if your expecting Wes to run around killing all the bosses of the game- then yeah he is terrible (and is meant to be terrible..)

BUT if your wanting to have a race to see who can gather resources fastest starting out on Day 1.. Wes takes the clear Advantage because- All the other characters that have movement speed perks: Need to build up to their perks: Wormwood needs fertilizers, WX78 needs upgrade components, Walter needs to get 3 MM and Feed Woby, Woodie needs Itchy Goose, Wurt needs Swamp Turf- Meanwhile Wes needs to let go of some Sanity and zoom around the map.

Is it a useful perk throughout the whole game? No… but in a race to see who gets from point A to point B fastest on a Day 1 world: Wes wins.

Also Wes is the best in the game at aggroing enemy mobs onto him (in a server full of players when a hound wave attacks they’ll go after Wes first) A GOOD Wes player will use this to their Advantage: They know all the enemies will be after them.. so play Bait and lure them exactly where you want them to go (Aka large tooth trap field)

As far as Wormwood being a Farmer goes: Wormwood is a character designed for the Hamlet DLC that was ported over into DST without the gameplay mechanics of the Hamlet DLC, Wormwood works best in the Hamlet DLC because THERE his perks are actually useful.. and in DST- They won’t be useful until more Hamlet-like features get added to DST.

(Aka- Hostile plant mobs/vines that attack from the heavens that will ignore Wormwood altogether..)

Wormwood does have ONE useful plants are nice to him perk that goes Under-Utilized by players in this game though.. and that’s that Lureplants won’t attack him.. Not very useful with just one plant, but cover an entire biome in them… 

[Cheggf]

12 hours ago, Cursed Name said:

If you think Wes is good then you definitely don't just play him. Because if you were main you would already be pulling your hair out of boredom.

Wes is my most played character and I rarely ever use the celestial portal. I think characters like Winona, Wurt, and WX are the most boring, not Wes. Just because you don't like him doesn't mean nobody does.

[Mike23Ua]

Can I vent my frustrations here too?

Day 42 of Wendy’s Pipspook quest being bugged & broken.

Day 300 of No Gothic Sisturn skin.

Day 750,002 of no Lureplant Abigail flower.

50,198,742 of Fans asking for SW/Hamlet compatibility for DST.

Oh and Day 700,000,000,000 of getting brown shoes from daily login.

[Flip Face]

16 hours ago, Cheggf said:

Just because you don't like him doesn't mean nobody does.

That hurt.

I apologize for exaggerating.

But now we are following a path that is almost impossible to discuss, as it involves our personal approaches to the game.

What makes you think I don't like Wes? My frustration that it doesn't have dynamic mechanics?

Because I looked forward to a rework and broke my face, because I was hoping for a unique way of interacting with the world?

Because I thought that balloon pillow was the only real, canon thing I had about Wes so I could cling to it with all my might and feel more special.

Because to me it makes sense, because before the rework we had no idea what could come, and klei ruled out pantomime completely.

I hope you're not thinking that I want Wes to be comparable to Wx or Wormwood or Wolfgang.

I just want it to be more captivating.

In short, balloons can be completely avoided. They are useful, but I wish Wes were more dependent on balloons that they weren't completely optional.

That there are uses for the balloons that were to solve a problem that didn't need to exist, but if it did, it would make your experience more unique.

That's what I mean by "dynamic mechanics" although creating a problem that doesn't need to exist is not dynamic at all.

Sorry to try to spoil your character, but I won't stop trying.

Thanks for your feedback.

[Left 4 Sharkb8]

On 4/16/2022 at 9:29 PM, Mike23Ua said:

Can I vent my frustrations here too?

Day 42 of Wendy’s Pipspook quest being bugged & broken.

Day 300 of No Gothic Sisturn skin.

Day 750,002 of no Lureplant Abigail flower.

50,198,742 of Fans asking for SW/Hamlet compatibility for DST.

Oh and Day 700,000,000,000 of getting brown shoes from daily login.

If this is just a vent thread...

If you know me, you know what I'm gonna say...