diamond tiles vs diamond tempshift plates

[darknotezero]

so I'm tapping into the magma biome for two different liquid boilers. I've sunk enough heat out of the initial contact point that I've had to expand my heat transfer.

my question is: aside from being able to physically pass through one and not pass through the other, what's the difference/correct choice for heat transfer expansion for the remaining magma/hot igneous rock, diamond window tiles or diamond tempshift plates? do the latter exchange heat more quickly because they're denser per tile?

[silverbluep]

Diamond tempshift plates both are denser and on the virtue of being tempshift plates, also act as in it's on the 8 adjacent tiles as well. You will suck heat better using tempshift plates.

[Gurgel]

Temp-shift plates need some atmosphere. That may or may not work. Temp-shift plates cover 3x3, so they are slightly cheaper than solid tiles, but you may warm up things you do not want to. 

That said, I use steel tiles instead. Almost as good, but cheaper to make.

[silverbluep]

1 hour ago, Gurgel said:

Temp-shift plates need some atmosphere. That may or may not work. Temp-shift plates cover 3x3, so they are slightly cheaper than solid tiles, but you may warm up things you do not want to. 

That said, I use steel tiles instead. Almost as good, but cheaper to make.

you can use them in checkerboard arrangement; along tiles. Then they don't need atmosphere.

Francis john has a nice magma tapping setup and he uses glass tiles of diamond; and uses tempshift plates to move heat along them faster.

Also; better than diamond is aluminum; which you might have a volcano for.

[Gurgel]

6 hours ago, silverbluep said:

you can use them in checkerboard arrangement; along tiles. Then they don't need atmosphere.

Are you sure? I thought the need gas or liquid to exchange heat at all. Hmm. I may confuse this with heat exchange between Temp-shift and buildings in vacuum .

Let me check... Yes, you are correct. "Tile" next to "Temp-shift" works and does exchange heat even in vacuum. 

[darknotezero]

ah, the "along tiles" piece explains some of the issues I started to see as i started to experiment with this. That makes sense in the vacuum context, will have to adjust some of my build accordingly.

Thanks!

[psusi]

On 9/20/2021 at 10:12 AM, Gurgel said:

Let me check... Yes, you are correct. "Tile" next to "Temp-shift" works and does exchange heat even in vacuum. 

Yes, the temp shift plate will exchange heat with a solid tile next to them, but not with one another, so if you have a vacuum tunnel with tempshifts in it, the heat won't transfer from one end to the other.

[NewWorldDan]

In this context, I think tempshift plates are a waste.  Build steel conveyor rails in a loop and load them up with high specific heat materials to carry heat with them.  Refined carbon is a good choice.

[silverbluep]

Temp shift plates; when arranged to touch each other (through coverage AND media like atmosphere or tiles) are terrific at eliminating temperature gradients; and generally store heat 4 times better than tiles and twice better than drywall tiles. There are much more than waste.

They are static so on their own; they are not the best when pumping heat to other areas. For speeding temperature exchange and storing heat they are unbeatable.

[DolphinWing]

On 9/20/2021 at 3:38 PM, silverbluep said:

Also; better than diamond is aluminum; which you might have a volcano for.

I think aluminum may not suit for magma due to its melting point. 1400+ Celsius magma vs 660 Celsius aluminum.

[Occam Blazer]

Been mucking about with heat transfer lately. The fastest pattern I've found is alternating tempshift plates with tiles. Here's two examples: horizontally with doors and plates and vertically with tiles and plates. This is faster than a checkerboard. Omitting some of the plates in the pattern slows heat transfer despite the added mass.

Note - this example is specific to the tests I'm running. If you just want a heat injector just use the door pattern. Warning: this device moves magma heat very quickly.

 

On 9/28/2021 at 2:24 PM, NewWorldDan said:

In this context, I think tempshift plates are a waste.  Build steel conveyor rails in a loop and load them up with high specific heat materials to carry heat with them.  Refined carbon is a good choice.

Over long distances I think you are right (although I haven't tested the alternating pattern). When the heat source is close, plates transfer much quicker.

(Yes, I balanced out the heat capacity of each test)

Spoiler

Material	Mass	SHC	Temp	Heat
Steel	800	0.490	20	7,840	kDTUs
Diamond	3,800	0.516	20	39,216	kDTUs
Total				47,056	kDTUs
Rails	6
Steel	1,410	0.490	20	13,818	kDTUs
Diamond	2,500	0.516	20	25,800	kDTUs
Lumber	120.0	3.470	19.9	8,286	kDTUs
Total				47,904	kDTUs
Difference				1.80%