willow needs another refresh

[rincewindk]

since wendy's update she's kinda weak 

[torimonica]

I agree, here's why:
1. Willow has to have low sanity to summon bernie while wendy can summon abi anytime at no cost
2. Bernie crafting resources are harder to get a hold of, than flower's
3. Bernie is single targeted vs AOE of abi
4. Cannot be buffed/healed (abi can)
5. Cannot be controlled, resulting in faster death compared to abi (disregarding higher HP)
6. Sewing resources are also harder to obtain 
7. Lighter is mostly useless (cooking and longer duration is not really useful)
Only fun thing is ability to sit near the lava pit at winter
To sum it all up, willow is useless for the teamplay

[Armorga]

i don't remember willow perks after the rework besides fire relationed perks and fighting shadow creatures

[h1mk]

Spoiler

willow is still good it just happens that wendy serves a purpose willow served better, willow still has  her own merits with bernie as, its mostly for shadow creatures

 

[Mike23Ua]

Abigail is Wendy’s Dead Sister.. She can heal her because of that.

Bernie is an inanimate object, like a stuffed bear. It is not the same.

You CAN heal Bernie though, Just eat enough green cap to raise your sanity back up and pick him up then use a sewing kit on him in your inventory.

Willow Is completely Immune to fire, she can stand in a forest fire and not take any damage at all.

Because Bernie is Tied to Willows Sanity he can’t be summoned or unsummoned as easily as Abigail.. you can only Force Summon or Force Desummon it by Lowering/Rising Willows Sanity.

Asking For Willows Lighter to be Infinite doesn’t make sense either, it’s a lighter.. and should run on fuel.

In Addition- Since Bernie is tied to Willows Sanity And Low Sanity always Spawns Nightmare Creatures- Bernie does not need a Soothe or Rile Up Mode Because he’s always fighting Shadows (Aka His Actual Purpose)

Abigail will not assist you at all with Nightmare Shadows because she is not meant to.

Bernie has a % ton load more of health then Abigail, and can survive better vs Deerclops than Abby. Because Bernie is designed to be better at that then Abby.

Abigails purpose is strictly AoE for large crowds of mobs like hundreds of Frog Rain, 50 Spider or 20 Hound.

Willows Lighter can instantly cook food for Willow, while it’s not an overall super special perk, it does allow Willow not to have to waste resources on building campfires to cook a few raw meat.

Abigail (when at Max Health and in Soothe Mode) Will Glow bright enough so that Wendy does not need a torch throughout the night.

The TL:DR At the most- Willows Lighter should be refillable using Nightmare Fuel (ya know the stuff Bernie is actually designed to obtain)

And Maybe Resources To craft a new Bernie should be a little more easy to obtain such as idk maybe 4 Beefalo wool and 4 Silk.

But then again.. I’ll repeat the above statement Bernie has a %#@$ ton load of health compared to Abigail. 

Abigails Health points start at 0 after dying and then climb to cap at 600hp.

Bernie... well the image speaks for itself.

Oh Yeahhhh and one more tiny little thing to Note: Unlike Abigail you can carry multiple Bernie’s in your inventory or craft And place them down around the Base or whatever boss you want to Fight- And Large Bernie will fight things, while the Tiny walking around Bernie’s still draw away shadow creature Aggro for people low on Sanity.

Willow does not need another refresh, you just need to bring 4 Bernie’s to a boss fight throw 3 on the ground and let the fourth DIE in glorious battle, one of the other 3 still living Bernie Babies will grow to protect you. And he will start with 2000 Freaking HP!

[torimonica]

8 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

Abigail is Wendy’s Dead Sister.. She can heal her because of that.

Bernie is an inanimate object, like a stuffed bear. It is not the same.

You CAN heal Bernie though, Just eat enough green cap to raise your sanity back up and pick him up then use a sewing kit on him in your inventory.

Willow Is completely Immune to fire, she can stand in a forest fire and not take any damage at all.

Because Bernie is Tied to Willows Sanity he can’t be summoned or unsummoned as easily as Abigail.. you can only Force Summon or Force Desummon it by Lowering/Rising Willows Sanity.

Asking For Willows Lighter to be Infinite doesn’t make sense either, it’s a lighter.. and should run on fuel.

In Addition- Since Bernie is tied to Willows Sanity And Low Sanity always Spawns Nightmare Creatures- Bernie does not need a Soothe or Rile Up Mode Because he’s always fighting Shadows (Aka His Actual Purpose)

Abigail will not assist you at all with Nightmare Shadows because she is not meant to.

Bernie has a % ton load more of health then Abigail, and can survive better vs Deerclops than Abby. Because Bernie is designed to be better at that then Abby.

Abigails purpose is strictly AoE for large crowds of mobs like hundreds of Frog Rain, 50 Spider or 20 Hound.

Willows Lighter can instantly cook food for Willow, while it’s not an overall super special perk, it does allow Willow not to have to waste resources on building campfires to cook a few raw meat.

Abigail (when at Max Health and in Soothe Mode) Will Glow bright enough so that Wendy does not need a torch throughout the night.

The TL:DR At the most- Willows Lighter should be refillable using Nightmare Fuel (ya know the stuff Bernie is actually designed to obtain)

And Maybe Resources To craft a new Bernie should be a little more easy to obtain such as idk maybe 4 Beefalo wool and 4 Silk.

But then again.. I’ll repeat the above statement Bernie has a %#@$ ton load of health compared to Abigail. 

Abigails Health points start at 0 after dying and then climb to cap at 600hp.

Bernie... well the image speaks for itself.

Oh Yeahhhh and one more tiny little thing to Note: Unlike Abigail you can carry multiple Bernie’s in your inventory or craft And place them down around the Base or whatever boss you want to Fight- And Large Bernie will fight things, while the Tiny walking around Bernie’s still draw away shadow creature Aggro for people low on Sanity.

Willow does not need another refresh, you just need to bring 4 Bernie’s to a boss fight throw 3 on the ground and let the fourth DIE in glorious battle, one of the other 3 still living Bernie Babies will grow to protect you. And he will start with 2000 Freaking HP!

 

 

I see your profile pic is wendy so I suppose it's your main and you don't want any competition for it?))
1. Inanimate or not, it becomes alive at low sanity and willow needs more control of it since she is the owner
2. Let's say I'm in a fight with a spider queen and bernie dies, how am I supposed to patch it? Yeah I can have 3-4 of them but it's too expensive to craft and to gather resources I'll need to be at low sanity anyway, having to deal with nightmares alone
What are my options to gather beard hair?
low tier:
- beardlings - low chance
- bunnymen - average chance
good tier:
- shaving wilson who is rarely present since he's useless in teamplay too
- splumonkeys are dangerous to fight (don't forget, dealing with the nightmares at the same time)

Won't say anything about all the other perks she has, I just feel like she needs at least something significantly improved to be a good character, doesn't really matter if it's bernie/lighter/perks etc.

Regarding the nightmare fuel, bernie doesn't make it's gathering more effective than any other character, so willow isn't like the best fuel generator.

I can agree with AOE being unique perk for abi but bernie is still weak and not really effective 1v1 in boss fight (even deerclops) and just making more of them is not an option because it's too expensive, I'd rather fight alone because that's easier

Bernie needs to be controlled because he can randomly decide to fight nigtmares instead of bosses, then he'll die and leave me with both boss and nightmares to deal with

Regarding the lighter, I don't feel like cooking is of any use anywhere expect very(very) early in the game, I'd rather take pre-cooked food and anything else for the light

Abi has good healing items which can be easily used mid-fight and if she dies she'll be healed later without any real cost, while bernie has to be either patched or crafted again which requires a lot of resources, so I think it needs some sort of regeneration, for example - heat (kind of inheriting willow's love for fire) or anything else really

Also, in case there are a few small bearnies wandering around, in a boss fight they'll be damaged and won't ever start with 2K hp anyway.

So I think bernie needs either
- more accessible crafting
- some way of healing in addition to patching
- anything else really, it's just too weak now


For now wendy is the best food gatherer in game, even better than wicker/books since she can easily farm butterflies at early game, then literally anyone (spiders/bees/etc) in large amounts, and also having an unlimited light source at night.
She's also always welcome in teams since she can help others in a lot of ways, like you can easily and very quickly gather resources for a top hat (sanity for everyone, wickerbottom especially), she can also easily AND safely obtain beard hair for willow (lol), and she can be a food supplier for the whole server of whatever amount of people since whatever resource is needed she can get quickly, anytime, any season, be it meat, birdcage resources, bee hives etc. also producing lots of by-products (like spider glands for which wormwood will be very grateful, and many more), easy gold farming through meat-swap of pig king (wigfrid will be happy), the list goes on!
Not to mention she is just better at boss fights, especially beequeen, just needs a bit of healing which is very easy to obtain and that's all.

You said that bernie is designed for nightmare fuel gathering but it is not very useful resource, I'm playing a lot and rarely see anyone using it frequently, mainly because anything made of it drains your sanity and not giving a lot in return so almost no one uses it.
To be better at least in that field (fuel gathering) he could be invulnerable for shadows for example, then that will be somewhat viable use, otherwise it makes no sense.

 

In the end willow is just not seen as good addition to the team, actually it's opposite and sometimes people frown upon her thinking that only griefers pick her. It's a shame, the character itself is very cute and needs to be played more.

[rincewindk]

@Mike23Ua i've seen you're arguing against willow changes in a few threads, may i ask why exactly? it's not like some e-sport game where balance is crucial, continuously making different characters more appealing is a win-win for everyone, giving a diversity and replay ability in the long run. your negation looks odd.

[Mike23Ua]

First off we have to ask why and how you expect Willow to be changed.

Bernie is designed to be a Nightmare Fuel Farming Teddy Bear- And he does that job better than any other character in the entire game.

Abigail on the Other Hand is Designed to be good at fighting large crowds of Enemies such as 100 Spiders attacking at once or an Entire Seasons worth of Frog Rain, And Abigail does that job better than any other character in the game.

Bernie is designed to be better at fighting 1v1 or 1v2 fights with larger enemies that Abigail fails at.... (Deerclops, Bearger, Shadow Monsters)

Abigail won’t attack Shadow Monsters at all & dies in 1 or 2 hits from Deerclops or Bearger.

[Charlie Dark]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

First off we have to ask why and how you expect Willow to be changed.

Bernie is designed to be a Nightmare Fuel Farming Teddy Bear- And he does that job better than any other character in the entire game.

Abigail on the Other Hand is Designed to be good at fighting large crowds of Enemies such as 100 Spiders attacking at once or an Entire Seasons worth of Frog Rain, And Abigail does that job better than any other character in the game.

Bernie is designed to be better at fighting 1v1 or 1v2 fights with larger enemies that Abigail fails at.... (Deerclops, Bearger, Shadow Monsters)

Abigail won’t attack Shadow Monsters at all & dies in 1 or 2 hits from Deerclops or Bearger.

I agree with you.. plus I will never forget that bearger encounter.. my wendy friend didn't "banish" her sister.. so bearger just came, abby hit him, bearger destroyed me and my firepit

[rincewindk]

15 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

First off we have to ask why and how you expect Willow to be changed.

Bernie is designed to be a Nightmare Fuel Farming Teddy Bear- And he does that job better than any other character in the entire game.

Abigail on the Other Hand is Designed to be good at fighting large crowds of Enemies such as 100 Spiders attacking at once or an Entire Seasons worth of Frog Rain, And Abigail does that job better than any other character in the game.

Bernie is designed to be better at fighting 1v1 or 1v2 fights with larger enemies that Abigail fails at.... (Deerclops, Bearger, Shadow Monsters)

Abigail won’t attack Shadow Monsters at all & dies in 1 or 2 hits from Deerclops or Bearger.

you're missing lots of aspects and focusing only on enemy type, but let's be honest, with in-game battle mechanic you just need to know how to fight and then you can do it just fine without any summoned creatures. thing is wendy has gained incredible powers in every other aspect in-game, making her natural competitor (they're bound to be compared, due to having similar mechanics) fade away, the pick-rate of a character we cannot see but can estimate by looking at who plays who, should speak for itself.

why? the same reason any other character has been reworked. game evolves this way

how? not up to me tbh

[chirsg]

There is so much reading in this entire thread, I don't even want to begin scrutiny of every single point against her outside of simple bullet points.

Willow is totally fine as she stands.

-3/4 seasons, she blows wilson out of the water.

-Her low sanity allows her to manage sanity easier than other characters.

-she still hits at a damage modifier of 1.0x

-Bernie, despite how people compare him negatively to Abigail is still a great asset. Not all characters can deal with hounds in the wild effectively past day 100 when caught by surprise without traps, but willow can thanks to bernie and bernie is a great nightmare farmer on a team. 

-she's fireproof, so if you find a koalaphant, you can set it on fire with a torch if your lighter is missing and kill it for 40 instant HP and just smack it while it's on fire without taking damage and this principal can be applied to other aspects of combat.

-and finally, her lighter makes her great for early game exploration and even quick descent into caves 

Willow is still a very strong character and she has points that set her apart from abigail. She can stay as is

[torimonica]

5 hours ago, chirsg said:

There is so much reading in this entire thread, I don't even want to begin scrutiny of every single point against her outside of simple bullet points.

Willow is totally fine as she stands.

-3/4 seasons, she blows wilson out of the water.

-Her low sanity allows her to manage sanity easier than other characters.

-she still hits at a damage modifier of 1.0x

-Bernie, despite how people compare him negatively to Abigail is still a great asset. Not all characters can deal with hounds in the wild effectively past day 100 when caught by surprise without traps, but willow can thanks to bernie and bernie is a great nightmare farmer on a team. 

-she's fireproof, so if you find a koalaphant, you can set it on fire with a torch if your lighter is missing and kill it for 40 instant HP and just smack it while it's on fire without taking damage and this principal can be applied to other aspects of combat.

-and finally, her lighter makes her great for early game exploration and even quick descent into caves 

Willow is still a very strong character and she has points that set her apart from abigail. She can stay as is

 

Based on your post you have not played enough Wendy. And I would recommend you to study the opinions of others before writing your opinion

[chirsg]

9 hours ago, torimonica said:

Based on your post you have not played enough Wendy. And I would recommend you to study the opinions of others before writing your opinion

I recognize that I have hurt your feelings from saying that Willow is actually a fine character as she stands. Because your feelings have been hurt because stating that Willow has points that sets her apart from Wendy and Bernie has points that sets him apart from Abigail has coerced a bit of a peppery response from you.

On behalf of the parents that raised you, I'd like to say sorry that you have a glass house ego, which a small observation of Willow's strengths shatters your glass house ego to pieces.

 

 

9 hours ago, torimonica said:

And I would recommend you to study the opinions of others before writing your opinion

I'll re-quote this to highlight that there's nothing specific about your criticism towards my post. It's a carpet bomb of feisty kittens who haven't had their milk for the day that can't pick out what they want,

Before I end, I'd like to supplement another important strength of Bernie, which when he does die, you can drop another Bernie to pick up where you started. 

[Mike23Ua]

Guys please be respectful in your debates, the things I discussed in my posts pointed out both Wendy/Abigail & Willow/Bernie Strengths And Weaknesses.

What they Shine the best at doing, and what they flat out fail to do effectively because they were never intended to do.

Bernies being able to spawn at 2000 HP where Abigails health resets at 0 and climbs over time to cap back out at 600 HP allows Bernie to be much more effective at 1v1 or 1v2 Battles. 

I’m a Wendy main yes... but I play ALL Characters from time to time & I can tell you from lots of experience playing as Both where each ones strengths & weakness stand.

I also want to point out that it’s not as hard to get materials to craft Bernie as you think.. 2 Beard Hair, 2 Beefalo Wool, & 2 Silk? That’s EASY if your an Experienced player and know the game well enough.

Spoiler

Beefalo wool can be obtained by using a Razor on Beefalo while they sleep at night, Beardling hair can be obtained by capturing Rabbits and then lowering Your Sanity so they turn into Beardlings then murdering them. Easy tricks to lower Sanity- Stand near something that drains sanity such as Tentacle Trap, Evil Flower, Spider Den, eat something that drains sanity like Mushrooms, stand in the dark & Flicker your lighter back on before Charlie attacks, etc...

Easy tricks to re-raise Sanity- Eat cooked Mushrooms, Wear Head Garland Or Top Hat + Hold Bernie, Stand in a Raging Forest Fire INSIDE The Fire.. in fact you can combine all 3 of those wearing hat, standing in Fire and holding a Bernie to massively raise Sanity fast. 

 

[Mike23Ua]

I want to bump this thread because I’ve been playing more as Willow.. even though Wendy is my Main- I want to be able to provide a fair and accurate comparison between them.

First off I want to state that BERNIE! is the best Nightmare Fuel farming tool in the entire game.. so Please Klei PLEASE Update Willow so that her Lighter can be Refueled using the Nightmare Fuel she’s so good at getting. And yeah I know it doesn’t take much to craft a new lighter.. but I just feel like I could save soooo much grass, plucked flowers and gold if the lighter can simply be refueled with the Source Willow is actually good at obtaining!

Getting Sewing Kits to Repair Bernie is super easy- a few logs, 2 hounds teeth and 8 Silk. That’s not that bad, I’m also sure since Winona’s Duct Tape is technically a Sewing Kit, That Her Tape can be used to repair Bernie. (Not sure about this cause I’m playing alone..) but will check when I get around to it.

Now on to the fun stuff!

Wendy can build the Sisturn and stand around in base all day standing beside it to regain Sanity. 

Wendy can stand around in the dark all night and use Abigail as a light source.

both of these require Minimal Movement from the player.

Willow Can Wear a Head Garland Or Tophat and hold Bernie in her hand slot to negate sanity drain completely while still moving around the map and exploring.

If Willow does not have a Head Garland or Top Hat you can still hold Bernie and stand inside of a controlled fire (such as burning a tree that’s standing by itself) this will also negate nighttime sanity drain completely.

Willow can use her portable lighter to run around the map all night & to also cook meat and mushrooms while still moving around the map.

Wendy will need to build a campfire and spend time cooking.

To effectively play Willow seems to rely heavily upon cooked and uncooked Mushrooms.

Willow is also completely Immune to fire damage, so you can use this to your advantage should you end up in a situation where too many enemies are attempting to attack you.

Wendy doesn’t really have to worry about too many enemies cause that’s what Abigails designed to deal with.

Another thing I should mention about Bernie is that in addition to providing Sanity, Bernie will also provide Willow with Warmth by holding him in her hand slot- I was able to get through an entire Winter with just Bernie and an almost dead thermal stone.

Willow is supposed to struggle with Winter as her worst season right? I never had that problem because the portable lighter let me light up controlled fires and stand inside them to keep the thermal from ever going cold.

TL:DR- Maybe a small tweak to allow Willow to apply Nightmare fuel into her lighter similar to Wendy applying Ectoherbology potions onto Abigails flower is all that Willow really needs.

[Owlrust]

On 4/18/2020 at 8:29 PM, torimonica said:

I agree, here's why:
1. Willow has to have low sanity to summon bernie while wendy can summon abi anytime at no cost
2. Bernie crafting resources are harder to get a hold of, than flower's
3. Bernie is single targeted vs AOE of abi
4. Cannot be buffed/healed (abi can)
5. Cannot be controlled, resulting in faster death compared to abi (disregarding higher HP)
6. Sewing resources are also harder to obtain 
7. Lighter is mostly useless (cooking and longer duration is not really useful)
Only fun thing is ability to sit near the lava pit at winter
To sum it all up, willow is useless for the teamplay

I certainly respect you opinion and I can see how you would feel that way, but may I make a rebuttal on a few of your points?

1. Bernie is very useful for easier Nightmare Fuel farming (especially since you can stay insane much longer as when Bernie kills a shadow monster, Willow does not gain sanity from the kill), and while true her AoE potential is very limited compared to Wendy's, I personally love to use Bernie as a distraction in fights or as a way to heal up and do extra damage. I will mention as well that Willow does not need to rely on Bernie much as Wendy does for Abigail in fights considering that Willow does not do 25% less damage unlike Wendy who does.
2. I agree that the resources for aquiring more Bernies is a pain to gather, however I will say that you never really need more than 2 at any one time; and the thing I love about Bernie is that his corpse doesn't go away immediately after he dies.
3. Abigail does 15,25,40 (dependent on time of day) damage every second and has a max of 600 HP whereas Bernie does 50 damage every 2 seconds and has a flat 2000 HP; this means that Bernie technically: beats abigail in DPS in the day, strikes even during dusk, and is outclassed by her at night or when using Nightshade Nostrum. One thing to note when looking at this info is not just their damage potential, but their survivability as well; Abigail starts out with 150 HP but it increases over the course of a couple days to 600, so if she dies in combat you're out of luck for a 600 HP ally for some while. If Bernie on the other hand dies, you can easily sew him back up and throw him into the fray or at least throw your other Bernie in immediately after the first one went down. Abigail easily beats Bernie in a contest of AoE, however Bernie is quite arguably the champion in single-combat (unless you want to use a hardy amount of items on Abigail to take a larger enemy down).
4. A fair point, although technically you can heal Bernie by sewing him when he goes down (which is made easier if you plop another one down when you go to get his corpse).
5. If you invest in a nightmare amulet or especially a bone helm, you can basically use him when you want; furthermore, I will definitely advocate in using Glommer's Goop to reduce your sanity on a whim (since it doesn't spoil) and using cactus flesh or green caps to increase it too.
6. In my opinion, Ectoherbology items are more tedious to obtain as it requires a chance encounter and a side-game to make these whereas the ingredients for a sewing kit materials are in static locations at all times (spider dens for silk, hound mounds in the desert for teeth, and trees are everywhere). Since you get 5 uses in a kit, you basically get an extra 10,000 health for Bernie in total if you use it when one of them die. 
7. I will admit the lighter has few uses (and the extra duration isn't something to gawk at either late game), but the things it CAN do it does well at. Cooking on the go is a great trait to have considering its utility; need sanity? Cook that Cactus Flesh you've been holding onto. Need food in a pinch? Cook that meat that the Deerclops or MacTusk dropped. No need to go out of your way to cook something back at base, or set up a campfire just for a few ingredients. Early game this thing is amazing to have because, while a normal torch lasts for 1.25 minutes, this lighter lasts for a whopping 10 minutes! (2 minutes and 12 seconds longer than even a Lantern!). This lighter requires 1 rope, 1 gold, and 3 petals (relatively easy materials to find); furthermore, if you were to craft enough torches to stand up to the lighter in terms of durability you would be looking at about 16 grass and 16 twigs in total (enough grass to craft the lighter 5 times over). 

 All in all, I certainly understand on some of your viewpoints and definitely agree with them. I hope I was able to accurately give my own perspective to try and add to the discussion.

[chirsg]

You also forget that willow gains sanity from fires. she can light rot dropped 1 by 1 to gain sanity respectably quickly that way as well as gaining warmth. different characters.

[pedregales]

What do you mean weak? Willow easily became among the best characters in the game after her re-work. Wendy on the other hand remained almost unchanged.

Let's look at Willow's perks:

• Weak to freezing and cold; immune to fire and resistant to overheating. Pretty good in general honestly.
• Her lighter let's her cook on the fly, making it a very useful scouting tool. The crafting cost is pretty cheap too.
• Bernie transforms into a monster with 2000 HP that deals 50 damage and protects Willow from monsters and shadows whenever Willow is insane. You can make several Bernies and drop them on the ground, but only one will become MegaBernie, the others will just attract nightmare creatures. You can give Bernies to other players so they can protect themselves from shadow creatures, but they will not transform into MegaBernie unless an insane Willow is nearby, still useful when fighting bosses and having low sanity. This is by far the easiest way to farm nightmare fuel, and it is also an amazing way to deal with bosses in general. The crafting cost is jokingly cheap, with only beard hair being "difficult" to get, and even then you only need 2 of that.
• If Bernie is damaged it is enough with just 1 use off a sewing kit Bernie's health goes from 0 to 2000 in 1 second. The bad part is that Bernie has to be on your inventory.

This makes Willow a very good character against pretty much any enemy (including hound waves and bosses), and also great for spelunking. Bernie also makes her a decent support character, and an amazing nightmare fuel farmer.

Now let's give a look at Wendy's perk:

• She can craft elixirs. Spectral cure-all is the one you will actually use 95% of the time. Nightshade nostrum is only viable on extremely specific circumstances. Rarely you might use distilled vengeance against hordes of mobs. The rest are just there and are only useful if you somehow need something slightly cheaper (roughly 1 twig cheaper). You need to help ghost children find peace in order to make this elixirs. The cost of each elixir is very cheap, the only annoying (not even expensive) thing is having to help those little pipspooks (because it takes time, and you have to look for a cemetery), and even then each one of them usually gives more than enough mourning glory to make 2 "expensive" elixirs.
• Wendy can summon Abigail whenever. Abby starts with 150 health and overtime can reach a maximum of 600 health (almost 1/4 of MegaBernie's health). Every time Abby dies, her health resets to 150 health. You can craft a sisturn and place 4 petals inside to reduce the time it takes for Abby to reach 600 health, in turn, the sisturn also serves the purpose of healing your sanity when you are close enough.
• Abby's damage is tied with the darkness: during the day she does 15 damage, during dusk she does 25 damage, and during the night or caves she does 40 damage.
• Wendy hits less hard than your average character. But Abigail applies a petal effect that (as long as it is in effect) negates this weakness for the most part.
• Abby is amazing against hordes of weak enemies (always has been, but now even more with her shield mechanic), But she is awful against most bosses, and for the few ones she is actually good you have to use the spectral cure-all, yes or yes (maybe except with Antlion, I have not tried Antlion yet, but apparently it is a piece of cake with Abby), otherwise she goes down fast, and with her goes the petals that indirectly increase Wendy's damage. Abby is amazing to kill rabbits or close the gap against a koalefant, making her great for farming food in general.

This makes Wendy amazing for hordes of weak enemies (spiders, bees, hound waves, etc.), decent against hordes of medium strength enemies (beefalo), great at farming food like rabbits and koalefant, and amazing at spelunking, but extremely god-awful at dealing with bosses. Also, don't expect anything much out of the elixirs, except for the spectral cure-all.

If anything, Wendy is the one that needs a 3rd re-work.

[Mike23Ua]

I don’t think either of them need a Rework & Klei should Instead move on to the next not yet reworked character who is desperately in need of it (whoever they decide that to be)

Continuing to back petal and keep reworking already reworked characters just endangers the rest of the cast from potentially ever getting theirs.

Once EVERYONE has had their Reworks THEN it might be fine to go back through and look at them all to see what small Tweaks could be done- for me Willows Lighter being refillable with Nightmare Fuel, Winona’s Spotlight being less useless by actually being able to scare off Batilisks and provide Wigfrid with a “Center Stage” Buff.

I should mention though that if Abigail dies her HP does not start at 150.. they start at 0 and any potions effects you had applied to her will be lost. 

So basically- the TL:DR Playing Wendy revolves around what it should have always been in my opinion- looking after & protecting your sister.

[pedregales]

On 4/22/2020 at 11:23 AM, Mike23Ua said:

Continuing to back petal and keep reworking already reworked characters just endangers the rest of the cast from potentially ever getting theirs.

I agree with that.

On 4/22/2020 at 11:23 AM, Mike23Ua said:

I should mention though that if Abigail dies her HP does not start at 150.. they start at 0 and any potions effects you had applied to her will be lost.

Yeah, I worded it weirdly in my previous comment. What I meant was that her maximum health resets to 150 when she dies and you have to wait again before she has 600 maximum health again, so using one of the healing elixirs to restore her health will not be of much help, but her actual health does start at 0 and gradually recovers with her passive 1 hp/sec.