Gurgel Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Now, I have 3 Balloon Artists. They all are at > 30 more morale than needed. They occasionally run around with stars in their eyes (which I take means they are overjoyed). I have recreation rooms with space available. Still, I have never, ever seen a single balloon artist doing its thing. Either this is so rare it is basically completely useless, or something is fundamentally broken. Has anybody else seen balloons with anything approaching being a regular event? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
nivodeus Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 In my recent game I have a few balloon artist and most of the time I will see my other dupes with balloon attached, which give a +8 to all stat (I think all). Aside from Streaker, Balloon Artist overjoy reaction is one of the most insane among all other. I do however still dont understand how the overjoy reaction trigger though. The game dictates that if dupes have +3 or is it +8 morale (not sure) more than it needed it should trigger, but I do need to see a constant triggering of overjoyed despite my dupes having a definite more than +10 morale than needed. So yea, to answer your question, the Balloon Artist overjoy reaction does trigger. The triggering itself is however in my experience not always (I do need to properly inspect and observe the dude but for me right now they do seem a bit random, maybe it is chance based?) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junksteel Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 It isn't that new of a issue but I thought it was fixed when they released a patch changing the recquirements in regard of available space in recreation room (which I didn't even know was a thing before reading the patch notes). I discussed it back when MRP was released and got pretty disapointed on the low occurrence of Balloon Artist joy reaction. So much so that I stopped picking dupes with it in favor of Sparkle Streaker and Super Productive which triggered much more frequently and proved to be OP when combined. I didn't test it ever since. I was planning to take at least one initial dupe with Balloon Artist in the next update but reading your post just changed my mind. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 22 minutes ago, nivodeus said: So yea, to answer your question, the Balloon Artist overjoy reaction does trigger. The triggering itself is however in my experience not always (I do need to properly inspect and observe the dude but for me right now they do seem a bit random, maybe it is chance based?) Thanks. So it seems I am doing something wrong with my base after all ... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nivodeus Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Based on the Wikipage Overjoy, it seems like the minimum base chance is 2% (with over +8 Morale, calculated after Dupes wake up). The maximum chance is 5% at +20 of Morale requirement. So based on this it's 1 in 20 chance to trigger with maximum chance, so I think it's quite slim. Also since it's counted after every bed rest, maybe a good Bedroom with abundance decor to boost morale while sleeping could boost morale to maximum chance? I think you are just rolling the bad dice at this moment, as in RNG. Have to admit though 5% chance is pretty low. I wouldnt mind it being 10% maybe? Or maybe you can combine Sticker Bomber and Balloon Artist, since each sticker add +20 decor and therefore add more to the overall Morale bonus, but since you said your dupes each have over +30 of the requirement, then it seems like just dice roll/RNG. And the starry eyes, could it be a reaction from Sparkle Flattered? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewreckedangle Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 Make sure that your dupes have the time needed to actually get the balloon. (eg. Abe will just stand there* holding out a balloon for someone to take, but if their shifts don't allow it/time changes to bedtime etc they end up no going near him and don't get one) as i have seen dupes miss getting one by a fraction of a nanosecond because of shift changes. *rec room and/or portal Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
6Havok9 Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 9 hours ago, nivodeus said: Snip If the information is true, does this make narcoleptic a "good" trait? Does the game check Morale after a dupe wakes up from a random nap? I was also thinking about intentional food to reduce stamina further, but I don't think it an extra -30% cycle really matters when sleeping gives +900%. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313171 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junksteel Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 2 hours ago, thewreckedangle said: Make sure that your dupes have the time needed to actually get the balloon. (eg. Abe will just stand there* holding out a balloon for someone to take, but if their shifts don't allow it/time changes to bedtime etc they end up no going near him and don't get one) as i have seen dupes miss getting one by a fraction of a nanosecond because of shift changes. *rec room and/or portal It actually makes a lot of sense as commonly I don't give my dupes more than the standard 1 shift unit for rec. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted March 5, 2020 Author Share Posted March 5, 2020 10 hours ago, nivodeus said: And the starry eyes, could it be a reaction from Sparkle Flattered? Nope. Just had a chance to check it again. They have the eyes but nothing is listed in their status page. 2 hours ago, thewreckedangle said: Make sure that your dupes have the time needed to actually get the balloon. Will they only try to get one during rec time? While I have 3 blocks rec-time, they are in shifts per 3 dupes and they are only overlapping one block with the neighboring shifts. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nivodeus Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 4 hours ago, 6Havok9 said: If the information is true, does this make narcoleptic a "good" trait? Does the game check Morale after a dupe wakes up from a random nap?. IF the game only check after waking up, then narcoleptic would be good in a way, however we need to consider how random the narcoleptic trait is. The dupe can fall asleep in some awful decor setting and in turn reduce it's decor and average moral, unless your dupes already have too high over-morale that it doesnt matter or your base decor is averagely good for morale. 5 hours ago, thewreckedangle said: Make sure that your dupes have the time needed to actually get the balloon. (eg. Abe will just stand there* holding out a balloon for someone to take, ... *rec room and/or portal This makes sense. I always try to make it that at least 2 Schedule always overlap on their recreation time. I just feel bad when dupes doing a break alone. So maybe having Balloon Artist to have recreation block shift that overlap with other's rec block might help too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewreckedangle Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 yeah, they seem to need to actually interact with the balloon giver, so they need to have downtime together. a way "around" it could be to have 1 or 2 balloon artists on almost exclusively downtime, so they just .. hang around in the rec room/portal, handing out balloons like it was FREE BALLOON DAY! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nivodeus Posted March 5, 2020 Share Posted March 5, 2020 If only we could specify rooms for dupe to idle aside from rec room, we could have a dedicated balloon giver at our Hospital ward Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted March 6, 2020 Share Posted March 6, 2020 16 hours ago, Gurgel said: Will they only try to get one during rec time? While I have 3 blocks rec-time, they are in shifts per 3 dupes and they are only overlapping one block with the neighboring shifts. I've only seen my balloon artists give out balloons during their break. Also, they'll only give balloons to dupes that are also on break. Thus it is advantageous to have multiple dupes on break with enough time that they end up standing around socializing. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/116204-balloon-artist-bugged/#findComment-1313371 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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