Dosephshih Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 HI, this is my first time sharing of my base design. I do the draft at work.... Then i build this when back to home: Also the plumbing overlay: I try to build this at the mid game, as simple as i can handle, without using space material, and even steel is not needed, except the final pump to output the petroleum. The First chamber is used to heat up the crude oil to above 404C. then the door is open and it flow to second chamber to be cooled. Because 400C is not suitable for a steel pump. When the far end cooled to below 150C, it will be released to the below storage tank and wait for the use at generator. This is the first version, i think at least i can improve it by pre-heating the incoming crude oil by the heated petroleum first. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111562-crude-oil-boiler-with-metal-refinery/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpy Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 No counterflow heat exchange? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111562-crude-oil-boiler-with-metal-refinery/#findComment-1257475 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Raptor Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 Gotta ask this: I see a lot of players using metal plates when building heat ex-changers. Why are diamond window tiles not being used instead? diamond has the highest heat conductivity in the game, am I missing anything here? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111562-crude-oil-boiler-with-metal-refinery/#findComment-1257476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 I wouldn’t have known diamond glass was the best heat exchanger till someone brought it up. At least not at the time I would have first mined diamond. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111562-crude-oil-boiler-with-metal-refinery/#findComment-1257489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpreadsheetGamr Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, Steve Raptor said: Gotta ask this: I see a lot of players using metal plates when building heat ex-changers. Why are diamond window tiles not being used instead? diamond has the highest heat conductivity in the game, am I missing anything here? Using the best materials is often not required. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111562-crude-oil-boiler-with-metal-refinery/#findComment-1257490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chthonicone Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Steve Raptor said: Gotta ask this: I see a lot of players using metal plates when building heat ex-changers. Why are diamond window tiles not being used instead? diamond has the highest heat conductivity in the game, am I missing anything here? I save diamond for when it's really necessary, though on my current map I do have about 40 t of diamond saved up. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111562-crude-oil-boiler-with-metal-refinery/#findComment-1257491 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosephshih Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, Steve Raptor said: Gotta ask this: I see a lot of players using metal plates when building heat ex-changers. Why are diamond window tiles not being used instead? diamond has the highest heat conductivity in the game, am I missing anything here? HI, the metal tile i used is Aluminium with conductivity of 205, which is better than diamond of 80. Actually I don't think it would be very great different since i also use the flowing petroleum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111562-crude-oil-boiler-with-metal-refinery/#findComment-1257494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Raptor Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, SpreadsheetGamr said: Using the best materials is often not required. True, but in this case, if you want to make a compact heat exchanger you do want to use the material with the most heat conductivity. 3 minutes ago, Dosephshih said: HI, the metal tile i used is Aluminium with conductivity of 205, which is better than diamond of 80. Actually I don't think it would be very great different since i also use the flowing petroleum. I wasn't even aware that Aluminium has 205 heat conductivity... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111562-crude-oil-boiler-with-metal-refinery/#findComment-1257495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpreadsheetGamr Posted September 12, 2019 Share Posted September 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Dosephshih said: I try to build this at the mid game, as simple as i can handle, without using space material, and even steel is not needed, except the final pump to output the petroleum. The First chamber is used to heat up the crude oil to above 404C. then the door is open and it flow to second chamber to be cooled. Because 400C is not suitable for a steel pump. When the far end cooled to below 150C, it will be released to the below storage tank and wait for the use at generator. This is the first version, i think at least i can improve it by pre-heating the incoming crude oil by the heated petroleum first. Nice work! This is similar to something I recently worked on. I have a couple of suggestions if you're interested. You can get better energy recovery by carefully managing the steam temperature. The closer to 200, the more power per DTU you can recover. The airlock where hot petroleum is dropped will be leaking DTU in to the cooling area. Maybe look in to a vacuum airlock there. What do you think about moving the petroleum cooling area below the steam pool? I think it could save space and materials if you let the hot petroleum drop past the steam engines. Lastly, I think the thermo shift plates won't be doing much for you here because the radiator pipes are already immersed in the thing you are trying to heat or cool. Try removing them and see if it has any effect (except for the steam area). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111562-crude-oil-boiler-with-metal-refinery/#findComment-1257517 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dosephshih Posted September 12, 2019 Author Share Posted September 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, SpreadsheetGamr said: Nice work! This is similar to something I recently worked on. I have a couple of suggestions if you're interested. You can get better energy recovery by carefully managing the steam temperature. The closer to 200, the more power per DTU you can recover. The airlock where hot petroleum is dropped will be leaking DTU in to the cooling area. Maybe look in to a vacuum airlock there. What do you think about moving the petroleum cooling area below the steam pool? I think it could save space and materials if you let the hot petroleum drop past the steam engines. Lastly, I think the thermo shift plates won't be doing much for you here because the radiator pipes are already immersed in the thing you are trying to heat or cool. Try removing them and see if it has any effect (except for the steam area). Thank you so much for your comments. I am not 100% sure, but I look at the equation of the heat remove and the power generated, it seems linear when it is under the the maximum power output of 850w. So I usually keep them below the maximum output. Yes, there is leakage of heat at the dropping point, I need to improve in my next built~ Yes, good point to make the shift of position! Honestly I am not sure if the tempshift plate really matter here, so i just put some randomly, haha..... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/111562-crude-oil-boiler-with-metal-refinery/#findComment-1257530 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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