NoFoxGiven Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 I have this little problem.... I cool my sour gas with a nullifier, pump it to liquid storage.... and then it heats up in there, so if I try to get it out as liquid, the pipe instant breaks and it spills out everywhere. This didn't used to happen. Liquids in storage stated thermally isolated. Oxygen... Hydrogen.... same thing. I can't store them at all anymore. I have to use them immediately. This is a big change to how they used to work. Intentional and I just missed that in the patch notes? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108831-methane-in-liquid-storage/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypher-7 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Do you have the tank in vacuum sitting on mesh tiles? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108831-methane-in-liquid-storage/#findComment-1225476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nakomaru Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Liquid storage has never been insulated as far as I have observed. The contents act just as debris. This is why chlorine disinfection works. Even ceramic insulation underneath would transfer heat. Place the reservoir on top of a mesh tile in a vacuum to have perfect insulation. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108831-methane-in-liquid-storage/#findComment-1225512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightinggale Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Based on what has happened in the past, I suspect you cool your sour gas to turn it into a liquid, but skip cooling the liquid itself. You then pump the liquid into a pipe where it heats up 0.5 C or something and it boils. Even insulated pipes will heat the liquid just a little bit. Make sure your liquid is cold enough to gain a few degrees in the pipe system. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108831-methane-in-liquid-storage/#findComment-1225599 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoFoxGiven Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 So lets say that it was some sort of glitch in the past..... So, you end up with 5t of methane in a tank, that is now up to say -100C. Then what? To get it out you have to continually build and watch the pipes break to get it out? That doesn't seem right. If the liquid storage had some method for getting the liquid out as gas, it could at least be controlled for, but as soon as you put the methane in there, and its not a vacuum or otherwise chilled so it doesnt heat up, you are just screwed...... which seems completely antithesis to how this game has been working in the past. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108831-methane-in-liquid-storage/#findComment-1225628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darkin Coaled Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Having once put a few tanks of petroleum on doors so I can disable them when the refinery cooling loop puts them over safe temperature I can definitely say I feel for you. 500 degrees petroleum measured in tons does a number on your refining facility. Any tanks that store temperature extremes do belong on mesh tiles, not 100% sure about the vacuum but it won't hurt either. One thing you can do when the liquid is too warm or too cold to stay liquid in a pipe is seal the area and deconstruct the tank. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108831-methane-in-liquid-storage/#findComment-1225636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 You can't just cool the methane. Every single piece of the storage system ALSO has to be cold. There's no way to directly connect the liquid network to the gas network, so you will have to create a boiler room to warm up the natgas before using it. Pipes at <10% capacity won't burst from a change of state. A liquid valve can help when pumping natgas through warmer zones. For example you may wish to run the liquid methane directly through your gas geyser before sending it to the generators. The liquid fuel gets free heating, and the free flowing gas gets free cooling to go into storage. Look up "counter current" heat exchangers for more info. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108831-methane-in-liquid-storage/#findComment-1225806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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