A complete woodie rework idea

[Ornge]

Ok so first of all I almost never play woodie so maybe I'm the wrong person to make this but I had some ideas I wanted to share.

I think one of the main problems with woodie is how Maxwell outshines him in every way. Not only can he chop trees faster but also mine rocks quickly while woodie is stuck eating half the wood he gets.

The fix to this would to make woodie better than Maxwell at collecting wood. This would make Maxwell a more mixed gathering character who can gather rocks and wood while making woodie better at only getting wood.

Some ways to achieve this could be:

-Make woodie get more logs per   chop.

-Make Lucy deal twice the damage to trees(New ROT moon axe is better than Lucy)

-Make the wood meter ONLY go down when chopping trees(Seriously, it's stupid how the game forces you to constantly chop trees for wood or werebeaver)

Some other small ideas I had to possibly make him better:

-Make woodie be able to craft totally normal(living logs) tree seeds in the magic tab

-If woodie eats living logs he gains health(Their called LIVING logs for a reason)

-Maybe make treeguards less hostile to him?

Like I said I'm probably not the best person to make this but what do you think?

[Viktor234]

Maxwell should stay as the no. 1 gatherer, Woodie on the other hand should get his Werebeaver ability improved: He should not only use it to gather logs.

And btw.: Woodie chops faster than Maxwell if he ignores the stumps.

[trinket_4]

1 hour ago, Ornge said:

while woodie is stuck eating half the wood he gets.

If you are gathering logs, you don't need to eat logs to avoid Werebeaver, because Werebeaver is so much better than Lucy or Maxwell.

Also, tip: if you want to avoid Werebeaver: twigs!!!! 2 twigs = 1 log.

Werebeaver is the best at chopping trees. Forget the stumps, you can shovel it later.  the gnaws you wasted on 3 stumps (3 logs) could've been used to chop down 2 large trees.

1 hour ago, Ornge said:

-Make Lucy deal twice the damage to trees(New ROT moon axe is better than Lucy)

Lucy is already OP + Woodie is a faster chopper himself.

Glass Axe is a mid/late-game item, so other players would overcome Woodie after so many days.

1 hour ago, Ornge said:

-If woodie eats living logs he gains health(Their called LIVING logs for a reason)

Totally agreed. Or boost his sanity.

1 hour ago, Ornge said:

-Maybe make treeguards less hostile to him?

Maybe Lucy could deal more damage towards Tree Guards (Axe against Tree)

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I'm a Woodie main, I think human form Woodie is pretty ok, I wouldn't change him. 

But I can't say that for werebeaver form. The sanity drain is way too much.

Is a Crawling Horror spawns, ok, you can continue chopping trees or whatever, but if a Terrorbeak spawns... daaaamn, just run. RUN ! Because Werebeaver only delas 27.2 damage (spear: 34), and you cannot recover any health (without wortox) until you're back in human form.

And if there's shaddow and/or treeguards and/or other mobs chasing you, and you transform (into human or werebeaver) they will hit you while transforming, and you can't do anything about it. "Ah, just keep in mind the log meter and transform away from the mobs" Yes, but Terrorbeaks are fast and will get you.

Also, Werebeaver still freezes and overheat, but since you can't craft anything, you cannot make a campire.. so you are screwed.

 

So the changes I would do to the Werebeaver:

-Change the sanity drain to -45/min (Today: -90/min)

-Buff the damage, at least to 34, so we can fight with a spear level.

-Don't let the Werebeaver freeze or overheat. OR let him craft a firepit

[Alarsin]

 One thing I’d like to suggest to differentiate between Woodie and Maxwell is make Maxwell something like he was in the Gorge, where he had to drop his book to summon a chopper that would cut wood in a small radius. Maxwell could be a very effective gatherer, but one that would require a “setup”. I.e., shadow minions summoned from Codex Umbra would operate in a medium radius from the book (3/4 of a screen), and would despawn if the book is picked up (only Maxwells should be able to pick up the Codex to prevent griefing). When the codex is dropped on the ground again, all the shadows that despawned respawn back in. I think this is a cool concept and can be elaborated to make Woodie and Maxwell different style gatherers.

 

[Thomas_klei]

i hope this topic doesn't stop with my post because this really the reworks really do need to be understood that these aren't just buffs but to rewrite the characters to make them much more enjoyable and rn woodie is being mighty overshadowed by maxwell but this is not the bad thing, i believe the problem is his abilities has not been very fleshed out in my opinionl; take on example his wear beaver form.

were beaver form has lost it's charm when playing as woodie his were beaver form is described explicitly as a curse but it seems just to be another form like wolfgangs muscle form and is much more manageable as they added the log meter or were beaver meter. this in my opinion ruins the aspect of it being a curse(i'm going on a tangent now) when playing as woodie ( singleplayer) you are simply warned of the oncoming danger as lucy and this already makes it kinda charming as you how no proper way of understanding the curse early on and kinda only get a slight understanding later in game too. furthermore when you get into the werebeaver form you get only the beaverness stat and you can fight as the beaver and get healing from logs but when your transform back you get like half stats, this is literally what i curse is for lycanthropy should be ,which is negatives and positives. don't starve together's abilities for woodie and unimaginative in my opinion as when you become werebeaver the highest negatives are that you lose sanity passively and that you lose lucy.

to make him more interesting i think they should appeal to his curse feature to make him much more interesting such as

allow him to tap into his werebeaver form in his human state such as:

by eating a continuous amount of logs he gains much more werebeaver like powers for a small amount of time (faster chopping speed more body hair so a larger insulation)

transitioning out of werebeaver form can cause grogginess or make him weaker for a period of time in forms of slower chopping speed and weaker attacks

and the ability to befriend were pigs, i know this may seem over powered and random but i think the abilitie to befriend were pigs would but really awesome 

(thanks for reading this, this is only my opinion so sorry if i was too harsh or you don't agree with some of my thoughts but it was and will always be an opinion)