Reedfiber for Insulation is to expensive

[Shurlan]

Due to how the current thermal system works, the only way to make use of the low thermal conductivity of Insulation is using the insulated version of tile/pipe/vent. For tiles and pipes the time required or the ressources needed is crazy.

400kg of Insulation needs 20 Reed Fiber, which in turn needs a full Drecko ranch at best 10 cycles to pruduce or, when using Thimble Reed, needs 6400kg of polluted water.

Let's say we have our 2 steam geysers with highest output, get water from three "crude oil -> natural gas -> generator" chains and have a maxed water producing geyser. This yields an average of 2*600*2.5kg + 3*600*0.8kg + 1*600*5kg = 6480kg of water. So one tile every cycle and thats being lucky with your geysers und not using the water for anything else. I reckon on average one has about enough surpluss water for a tile every 3 cycles.

[Sasza22]

There was a large discussion about it recently.

 

[ThirdEye]

Funny because I don't have a problem with Reed Fiber, but getting enough Isoresin in the first place (my Isoresin source is pretty far away and I have to use a lot of fuel and time to get any).

I actually cut down the Reed Fiber farm, because there is so much already... I never even used Dreckos for them. Just some farm tiles. I have a polluted water geysir which helps with the agriculture of course.

So maybe it's more about the map seed? I like that it is different everytime.

[Sasza22]

13 hours ago, ThirdEye said:

I actually cut down the Reed Fiber farm, because there is so much already...

Out of couriosity, how many do you have? When getting isoresin every 3 cycles theose things get used up pretty fast. For further planets it might be easier to keep up.

What were the numbers, i don`t fully remember from the top if my head but i think you could get around 100kg isoresin per trip right (it was around 10% top roll for a planet). Then you use 15kg and 5 reed fibers for 100kg of insulation (abyssalite is basically infinite in this scenario). This means you get around 700kg of insulation per trip requiring 35 reed fibers. It`s 1 and 3/4th of a pipe segment.

With one rocket on the closest distance you need around 11 reed fibers per cycle to keep up which means 22 plants and that`s a lot of polluted water. (like 350kg/cycle based on my rough math). Obviously a larger distance cuts the costs by half at least as it takes longer.

Numbers based on: the oni database.

[Shurlan]

On 5/4/2019 at 12:03 AM, Sasza22 said:

(like 350kg/cycle based on my rough math)

You misstyped. It's 3500kg/cycle.

[nets]

I don't think you have to use Insulated Pipe made out of Insulation material. A regular pipe is just as effective, isn't it? A thermal conductivity of 0.000 is still 0.000, Insulation material does not see benefit from using "Insulated Pipe"

[Gwido]

On 03/05/2019 at 10:44 AM, ThirdEye said:

Funny because I don't have a problem with Reed Fiber, but getting enough Isoresin in the first place (my Isoresin source is pretty far away and I have to use a lot of fuel and time to get any).

I've made the same.

Got plenty of reed fiber before getting the very first grams of isoresin.

But getting enough isoresin to build pipes made out of insulation is just too hard.

 

After making around 30 sections of insulated liquid pipes, I still have 266 reed fiber.

After that, I got bored of sending rockets to get enough isoresin to build 4 new pipe sections, and again ... and again ... -_-

So I switched to the sandbox mode. It's way more funny now.

 

 

2 hours ago, nets said:

I don't think you have to use Insulated Pipe made out of Insulation material. A regular pipe is just as effective, isn't it? A thermal conductivity of 0.000 is still 0.000, Insulation material does not see benefit from using "Insulated Pipe"

A insulated pipes have a thermal conductivity of 0.063. So the liquid or gas inside it still exchange heat.

Pipes made out of insulation is essential for carrying liquified oxygen and hydrogen if you don't want to repair the pipes all the time.

[Sasza22]

2 hours ago, nets said:

A thermal conductivity of 0.000 is still 0.000, Insulation material does not see benefit from using "Insulated Pipe"

It`s actually 0.00001

It`s like using abyssalite for pipes when it was possible. It makes a difference. If you made a long abyssalite pipe for molten glass it would break after like 20 or so segments, while an insulated one out of abyssalite wouldn`t make the glass change by more than 1^oC.