Sigma Cypher Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Maybe not self-powered (I imagine it could be), but "self-priming" using the low-power-cost element sensor and shutoff valve combo to filter gasses instead of the gas filters. I did this because I was having trouble getting the versions I have seen that rely on a gas clamp to separate gasses from losing their gas clamp and contaminating my gas output. Like them, this one will fail if you stop drawing gas from them, so I took the easy way out and did the cheesy "door pump semi-infinite gas sink thingy" you see on the right. Top atmo sensor set to 1500. It's a bit higher than I would like but there's only 1 tile to make a gas clamp before the H2 pump. (Am I using this clamp term correctly?) Quite often oxygen gets up there, which is why god gave use the element sensor and shutoff valve, which redirects the O2 to the bottom chamber and doesn't let it go to the H2 storage area. Similarly, element sensors redirect H2 high if some gets sucked into the O2 pumps. Tada! "Self-priming." Anyway I like it because it is rather compact and access is straight-forward for building and repairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackMaggie Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 How about this ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Only 4 dupes and 4 electrolyzers? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruhrohraggy Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, SackMaggie said: How about this ? 3 pump SPOM mk.II is old news... I see that and raise you this...the two-pump Spaghetti Monster It will not stop producing oxygen if it's thirst is sated. It will not send gas where you don't want it to. It does not care which gas backs up... and it does not want, or need your help. (But it does want your love) Anyway, as long as the build works and does what you need it to, awesome. I'm assuming you're using it for LOX and Lh2, otherwise 4x electrolyzers are super overkill. If you're going to be meta-gamey, you might as well just save yourself the trouble and use the infinite storage vent trick. Pump water onto the floor, let it fall off one side so you have a moppable layer. Build up a 2-tile high wall on either side of a vent, put in your pumps and whatnot to get gas back out, seal the bugger off and pump everything out.... and voila, as long as you are prudent about making sure only 1 gas goes into that room, then : infinite gas storage. (Far less annoying than the doors and related automation) You can even get fancy with it. This is what I'm currently using in my beta playthrough. Spoiler Other than that, you seem to be having the combined problem of small gas packet slow-down, and not enough pumping power to support the electrolyzers. I don't see how that room doesn't back up solid with over-pressure electrolyzers. Electrolyzer = 1 kg/s total output. Pump = 500 g/s, with a cap of 1 kg/s in the vent. (Which you seem to know based on your design) you have 4 kg/s total output, and the ability to only move 2.5 kg/s of it. Though don't take all this the wrong way, I'm not criticizing the build in a negative way, I'm just asking questions to get a better understanding of your system while trying to give my 2 cents... I'm probably not gonna build it since you already have a working version, so who better to ask? :D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackMaggie Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 3 hours ago, ruhrohraggy said: I don't think you need that many filters. And Its spaghetti enough to make you don't want to build this again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruhrohraggy Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 36 minutes ago, SackMaggie said: I don't think you need that many filters. And Its spaghetti enough to make you don't want to build this again. I do, there's alot more going on with this than meets the eye, it does some extra neat things. I'm encoding the video to watch now, I'll post it up in a bit :D. It's a pretty neat system...It took me awhile to figure out, I almost gave up out of frustration...but it's alive!!!! And it's not TOO complicated. The top mirrors the bottom...sorta... so you are really building the same thing twice...sorta, look stuffing it into that tiny little space was hard ok? However, once you see what it can do, you might change your mind. (sorry to hijack the thread, OP is partially responsible for this madness, because I got sick and tired of worrying about my SPOM backing up too) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigma Cypher Posted December 4, 2018 Author Share Posted December 4, 2018 @SackMaggieFor some reason I can't see giphy.gif (says media.giphy.com refused to connect). What did I miss? The filename makes me realize I must have been mispronouncing "gif" all my life. Well, the part of it since it became something other than peanut butter. @ruhrohraggyI see what you mean about capacity - 4 electrolyzers would need 8 pumps not 5. Epic math fail ... and yet ... these don't seem to be pumping to capacity. As you can see the pipes aren't filled with 1000g packets. I suppose the electrolyzers must be cycling off due to overpressure almost half the time, but I just don't notice it in the animation. By the way, what is the max output pressure for the electroylyzer? I don't see it in the database or the status page. Can you say more about "small gas packet slow down?" Maybe that will help me understand why 4 electrolyzers aren't completely filling 2 pipes with gas. I'll check out your spaghetti machine. Looks like an engineering marvel. I wish it didn't take half the weezeworts on the map to make it though. @Angpaur I actually have 6 dupes but 2 of them get removed from the roster when they jump in rocket capsules. And keeping up with 2 rocket launches every 12-18 cycles takes a bunch of gas, unless I am doing it wrong, which wouldn't surprise me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeadPot Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I tried to simplify a spom design + AETN myself the other day. Seems like everybody has a version on his own ;] Oxygen Not Included 2018.12.03 - 22.10.22.07_Trim.mp4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetMeSearch Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 6 hours ago, Sigma Cypher said: what is the max output pressure for the electroylyzer? I'm pretty sure it's somewhere near 1800g, or so it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fiddlestickers Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 8 hours ago, HeadPot said: I tried to simplify a spom design + AETN myself the other day. Seems like everybody has a version on his own ;] Oxygen Not Included 2018.12.03 - 22.10.22.07_Trim.mp4 just curious computer illiterate guy here. How do you make an mp4 easily like that to upload to the forums? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SackMaggie Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 9 hours ago, Sigma Cypher said: What did I miss? Hmm then I'll post picture version of that gif. The filter on the right will do better job than the left because it'll prioritize clearing gases in the loop not wait for a chance to get in the pipe so I've updated version. You can shrink the right build it one more tile but you will cool your oxygen harder. Spoiler Those two builds don't even need filter but I put filter there just in case something goes wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 11 hours ago, Sigma Cypher said: I actually have 6 dupes but 2 of them get removed from the roster when they jump in rocket capsules. And keeping up with 2 rocket launches every 12-18 cycles takes a bunch of gas, unless I am doing it wrong, which wouldn't surprise me. So even if you have 6 dupes then why 4 electrolyzers? Have you checked how much oxygen one electrolyzer is producing per cycle and how much oxygen a one dupe is breathing during same cycle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruhrohraggy Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 21 minutes ago, Angpaur said: So even if you have 6 dupes then why 4 electrolyzers? Have you checked how much oxygen one electrolyzer is producing per cycle and how much oxygen a one dupe is breathing during same cycle? He's using the excess for LOX. He literally says that in the text you just quoted. 11 hours ago, Sigma Cypher said: @ruhrohraggy I see what you mean about capacity - 4 electrolyzers would need 8 pumps not 5. Epic math fail ... and yet ... these don't seem to be pumping to capacity. As you can see the pipes aren't filled with 1000g packets. I suppose the electrolyzers must be cycling off due to overpressure almost half the time, but I just don't notice it in the animation. By the way, what is the max output pressure for the electroylyzer? I don't see it in the database or the status page. Can you say more about "small gas packet slow down?" Maybe that will help me understand why 4 electrolyzers aren't completely filling 2 pipes with gas. Not a problem, it's a learning process after-all. Hopefully we're all still learning new stuff from time to time...otherwise, what's the point...? I don't have a detailed answer on gas packet slow-down...Just observations. When pipe length from pump output into a joined piping section isn't long enough, packets seem to have trouble recombining and re-consolidating inside the pipes. If alternating packets of different gas are also combining into a single pipe, the one packet (hydrogen is the offender in this case) will wait for a packet of the same element to combine into the pipe. Which means any prior oxygen packets have to wait. Gas also backs up, up to 1kg inside the same pipe. I designed the Spaghetti Monster with this in mind, and carefully designed it to scoop out the small packets of hydrogen, and recombine them in a different bridge of the piping system, as to not slow the oxygen down. The oxygen travels smoothly through the system, and then gets recombined at the output fairly evenly. As to the # of wheezes required for the spaghetti monster, I've found it to be 4, not 8. I was just messing around with how many produced certain temps. 4 is more than adequate, much like the SPOM Mk. II Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Sorry, I just didn't get the part about gas was regarding the oxygen. Now all is clear. Still some more pumps are needed there, but it was already mentioned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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