Kotcha Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Played for a couple of days. Loved the game at first. LOVED IT! Then... I tried everything to cool down my planting area, except using abyssalite, which I read is the material to use. But if insulated sandstone piping AND two temperature regulators in a row can't retain the cool gas temperature for just 20 blocks, that's a broken game to me. I wanted to recommend this game for friends so much. Am I missing something? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan_Daniel2000 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 Screenshots please, a Picture says more than a thousand words. Please include Piping and temperature views. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108728 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 4 hours ago, Kotcha said: Am I missing something? First of all since the latest upgrade you can`t use abyssalite as a construction material. Secondly, the easiest way to cool farms early on is using wheezeworts. Put 1 on each side of your farm and watch the temperature go down. As for theromregulators they are much better used to cool gas in pipes and pipe it through the farm using radiant pipes than circulating the gas from the room. Finally make sure you aren`t piping hot water through your room (if so insulate the pipes). Hot water is the primary way your base will heat up. Also make sure there isn`t any machines that heat up in the room or close to it. Best to build farms in the middle of the starting zone, close to the water ponds where the temperature is most stabile. Best way to control temperature late game is to cool water with aquatuners and pipe it through radiant pipes through all the farms. It takes a lot of power to do and quite a bit refined metal for the pipes so it`s a more complicated solution. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108788 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotcha Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 8 hours ago, Dan_Daniel2000 said: Screenshots please, a Picture says more than a thousand words. Please include Piping and temperature views. As you can see from the 3rd picture, the hydrogen enters the thermoregulator at around 29 degrees. It exists at 24. Enters the second thermoregulator and exits at 22! Shouldn't thermoregulators and insulated piping do a better job than that even if I'm not using abyssalite and regardless of the surrounding temperature???? The last picture... by the time it reaches the 15th tile, the temperature is back up to 30!!!! It's like I never used anything to cool down the air! 24 degrees, then 22, when thermoregulators should cool 14 degress down, then 30 but 15 tiles later? It's not just that insulation is not working. It looks like something is wrong. Those numbers can't be right. Bug???? 5 hours ago, Sasza22 said: First of all since the latest upgrade you can`t use abyssalite as a construction material. Secondly, the easiest way to cool farms early on is using wheezeworts. Put 1 on each side of your farm and watch the temperature go down. As for theromregulators they are much better used to cool gas in pipes and pipe it through the farm using radiant pipes than circulating the gas from the room. Finally make sure you aren`t piping hot water through your room (if so insulate the pipes). Hot water is the primary way your base will heat up. Also make sure there isn`t any machines that heat up in the room or close to it. Best to build farms in the middle of the starting zone, close to the water ponds where the temperature is most stabile. Best way to control temperature late game is to cool water with aquatuners and pipe it through radiant pipes through all the farms. It takes a lot of power to do and quite a bit refined metal for the pipes so it`s a more complicated solution. I thank you for the detailed reply. It really helped me understand the game better. In addition, I still think the game is missing something. Mainly (at the time being for where I reached in the game) that insulated piping is totally useless. I spent the whole day (literally wasted my whole time from morning to evening) trying to fix this, only to find out that it's the way the game works. I understand that (in this game) the surroundings shouldn't be hot, like for example the grill on the floor above, but isn't that the purpose of insulated piping??? To shield whatever's in the pipe from the surrounding temperature? And being forced to use abyssalite to achieve good enough insulation (I'm not talking about total insulation) doesn't sound very practical. To be totally honest, it sounds ridiculous to me that the air would warm up so fast even without insulation. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Because your pipes behind the first regulator arent insulated, you're losing heat to the mass of the machine - insulate those pipes first and foremost. Also, pay attention to your packet sizes - fill your pipes to 1kg before trying to push them through the regulators. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, Kotcha said: As you can see from the 3rd picture, the hydrogen enters the thermoregulator at around 29 degrees. It exists at 24. Enters the second thermoregulator and exits at 22! Shouldn't thermoregulators and insulated piping do a better job than that even if I'm not using abyssalite and regardless of the surrounding temperature???? The last picture... by the time it reaches the 15th tile, the temperature is back up to 30!!!! It's like I never used anything to cool down the air! 24 degrees, then 22, when thermoregulators should cool 14 degress down, then 30 but 15 tiles later? It's not just that insulation is not working. It looks like something is wrong. Those numbers can't be right. Bug???? I thank you for the detailed reply. It really helped me understand the game better. In addition, I still think the game is missing something. Mainly (at the time being for where I reached in the game) that insulated piping is totally useless. I spent the whole day (literally wasted my whole time from morning to evening) trying to fix this, only to find out that it's the way the game works. I understand that (in this game) the surroundings shouldn't be hot, like for example the grill on the floor above, but isn't that the purpose of insulated piping??? To shield whatever's in the pipe from the surrounding temperature? And being forced to use abyssalite to achieve good enough insulation (I'm not talking about total insulation) doesn't sound very practical. To be totally honest, it sounds ridiculous to me that the air would warm up so fast even without insulation. Not ridiculous at all. Expecting insulated pipes to prevent milligrams of gas from absorbing heat from several tiles of hundreds of GRAMS of gas is your problem. Turn off the thermoregulators until the gas pump stops due to filled pipe. Then turn them back on. Even with my full packets I get at least a couple of degrees increase. And that's with 1000000mg of gas in the pipe. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotcha Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 21 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: Because your pipes behind the first regulator arent insulated, you're losing heat to the mass of the machine - insulate those pipes first and foremost. Also, pay attention to your packet sizes - fill your pipes to 1kg before trying to push them through the regulators. THANK YOU!!!!! And I thought the game was broken! YES! Packet size! This just showed me how great the game actually is! I can't thank you enough sir! And also... sorry for being dumb. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarquan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 A side note, why is the one tile under the fridge so cold? I think it's because of all the cold food in the fridge. Is that a bug? Also, you want more gas in your pipes if you want to cool anything down. Either that, or find a cold biome and get some wheezeworts. A wheezewort should solve the heat issue in that room. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotcha Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 9 minutes ago, bleeter6 said: Not ridiculous at all. Expecting insulated pipes to prevent milligrams of gas from absorbing heat from several tiles of hundreds of GRAMS of gas is your problem. Turn off the thermoregulators until the gas pump stops due to filled pipe. Then turn them back on. Even with my full packets I get at least a couple of degrees increase. And that's with 1000000mg of gas in the pipe. You are right. Didn't think about packet size at all. My bad. Thanks. Just now, Zarquan said: A side note, why is the one tile under the fridge so cold? I think it's because of all the cold food in the fridge. Is that a bug? Also, you want more gas in your pipes if you want to cool anything down. Either that, or find a cold biome and get some wheezeworts. A wheezewort should solve the heat issue in that room. I don't know about the fridge tile, but yes... it turns out small amounts of gas was the problem. thanks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Kotcha said: And also... sorry for being dumb. Don't be so hard on yourself The learning curve on this game is so big I feel like I'm in collage again Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotcha Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, Neotuck said: Don't be so hard on yourself The learning curve on this game is so big I feel like I'm in collage again Exactly! That's why it's so awesome. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108908 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just keep swimming bud, the game has quite a steep learning curve - but just keep tinkering and trying new things, you'll soon have it down Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kotcha Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Lifegrow said: Just keep swimming bud, the game has quite a steep learning curve - but just keep tinkering and trying new things, you'll soon have it down thanks Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/97964-insulated-pipes-and-cooling/#findComment-1108912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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