Power storage alternatives.

[afetogbo]

Water Turbine (has been suggested before)

I would like to see pumped hydro be an option for storage. For example I am using two natural gas geysers for power. If i could build a pumped hydro power storage facility it would be fantastic. when power if plentiful the pump will pump the water into the top then when power is low the water turbine will use the flow of the water to generate power.

Elect Vole

Ranchable batteries. maybe feed them refined metals and they can store energy.

 

Flywheel energy storage.

its better in a vacuum.

 

Not storage but a power generation idea

Drecko Wheel

like the wheel for dupes this would be put in a drecko cage for them to get excersize and power your base.

 

[Tekky]

In the game Factorio, it is possible to store steam (which was heated up by nuclear power) in storage tanks and empty them into a steam turbine when needed. These steam storage tanks can actually store more power than batteries, so they are more efficient than batteries.

It would be nice to have something similar in ONI.

[Sasza22]

32 minutes ago, Tekky said:

In the game Factorio, it is possible to store steam (which was heated up by nuclear power) in storage tanks and empty them into a steam turbine when needed. These steam storage tanks can actually store more power than batteries, so they are more efficient than batteries.

It would be nice to have something similar in ONI.

Well it`s possible to store steam in ONI as well. It`s more like storing heat. But steam turbines aren`t super effective for power production so i wonder how that would work.

[Madbro]

9 hours ago, Sasza22 said:

Well it`s possible to store steam in ONI as well. It`s more like storing heat. But steam turbines aren`t super effective for power production so i wonder how that would work.

Steam turbine plant have one big problem to solve: You need very high temperature but avoid da*n melting temperature especially you have wires and stuff inside the plant.

Although we have super-awesome thermal super-materials in this update

Actually,

On Fri Oct 26 2018 at 2:32 PM, afetogbo said:

Water Turbine (has been suggested before)

I would like to see pumped hydro be an option for storage. For example I am using two natural gas geysers for power. If i could build a pumped hydro power storage facility it would be fantastic. when power if plentiful the pump will pump the water into the top then when power is low the water turbine will use the flow of the water to generate power.

 

 

I like this hydroturbine idea

We should have this added into the game, but it requires HIGH PRESSURE (like what is done in steam turbine).

[D.L.S.]

On 27.10.2018 at 1:16 AM, Sasza22 said:

Well it`s possible to store steam in ONI as well. It`s more like storing heat. But steam turbines aren`t super effective for power production so i wonder how that would work.

I was wonder too, so i test it: I overheat steam to 500C with Liquid Tepidizer(use exploit flickering on/off it with automation, to be able heat liquid above 85C), in total to heat 50t of water(+ temp shift walls + 12t of petroleum) from 0C to 500C it consumes 33MJ of electricity. Then i attached 3 steam turbine on top of each other above this chamber with steam and run it, it runs stable at first but after some time 1 turbine become under-cooled so i delete it, after some time did same with second turbine and left with only 1, eventually i managed to extract back ~22MJ of electric energy, so efficiency of rough test of "charge"-"discharge" was ~66%, can be improved probably to 85% if use already hot water(99C) i used for test water at 0C so all energy was spend to boil it was basically wasted. Maybe with better management of turbines I could get more electricity.

This all work because Liquid Tepidizer for 960 J/s of electric energy produce ~4.1 MJ/s of heat, ~4300 times ratio. But efficiency of steam turbine super low ~1/10000, so such "battery" will work only if you have 3 or more turbines in series one on top of another.

Ah yes, most important: you suppose to dump all steam into open space to get best performance, so in my case i supposedly lose 50t of water(lost 45t, ~10% left in steam chamber after it cooled below 227C and all process stops), not efficient way of storing energy even if i was extracted whole 100% of electric energy. This water contain almost 6t of hydrogen...

[Laurond]

Water turbine  it would complement the steam turbines perfectly... (water turbine → vaporise → steam turbine → condense → repeat). 2 op.

 

On a side note, I would like to see mechanical components added to the game.. like springs, weights, pulleys, gears, electrical engines to power said gears with, a dynamo to hook up to the mechanical components.. and so on (tiles on sliding rails? a simple rotatable fan?).
The possibilities for energy storage (like, say.. a manually built water turbine and reservoir) could be.. glorious!
How easy it would be for the devs to introduce is probably another story entirely, and it would likely change the game way too much.. and the lag.. but oh would it be fun to play with.

[Coolthulhu]

On 10/26/2018 at 8:32 AM, afetogbo said:

Water Turbine (has been suggested before)

Not possible in ONI physics: you could use one pump to power a stack of turbines to the top of the map and extract energy from every single one of them.

 

For a more ONI-friendly method, we could have some chemical process that transforms low energy materials (CO2, water) into high energy ones (natgas, petroleum) at the cost of energy. This would be a realistic and fun way to store energy (as opposed to "just dump it into reskinned battery+1").

[afetogbo]

your so right about being able to exploit it. and if you just made it a self contained unit that would just be a battery reskin.

but at the same time I do want more powerful batteries. Using the new materials some science fiction battery could be made.

I mean this isn't even enough batteries

 

I also really like the idea of ranchable power generation and storage.

[Laurond]

@afetogbo why do you have so many of those leaky batteries? You have solar unlocked, which means you have steam-turbine.. Store power in form of steamy steam and see resources spared.

[afetogbo]

I have not been able to set up a usable steam turbine that i like. Almost every thing i see about them is exploiting or not worth it.

battery leak was 194kj

solar panel over production is 1500kj

leaky batteries don't really matter with so much over production

 

steam batteries

Please link me to a steam battery set up that has no exploits and can be used in survival.

I haven't found one that I can work with.

[D.L.S.]

8 hours ago, afetogbo said:

Please link me to a steam battery set up that has no exploits and can be used in survival.

I haven't found one that I can work with.

You can overheat steam with aqua-tuner without exploits, but it require at least niobium(better thermium) and supercoolant to build setup. And it would be very inefficient.

[Coolthulhu]

1 hour ago, D.L.S. said:

You can overheat steam with aqua-tuner without exploits, but it require at least niobium(better thermium) and supercoolant to build setup. And it would be very inefficient.

Steel tuner + water coolant is good enough. Super coolant only boosts efficiency.

The issue is pressure: the only non-exploity, not-incredibly-inefficient way to deal with it is pumping steam with steel (or better) gas pumps. And that is inefficient, just less so than alternatives.

[D.L.S.]

1 hour ago, Coolthulhu said:

The issue is pressure: the only non-exploity, not-incredibly-inefficient way to deal with it is pumping steam with steel (or better) gas pumps. And that is inefficient, just less so than alternatives.

For high pressure in boiler you have initial tank full to the brim with water(at 99C for better efficiency), after you start heating it it all will turns into steam(soon or later) and result with 1000kg of steam per tile, it is just game mechanic of boiling. you can mount liquid vent on top to add water into boiler when pressure of steam will go below 1000kg.

For low pressure after turbine you have few options: easy - throw exhausted steam into open space(lose water, but huge amount of water heated to 200C is already lost since it require a lot of efforts to at least condense it), or condense steam(it could be the option since we making steam with aqua-tuner, we can reuse cold which aqua-tuner was made), or build huge expansion chamber for steam to expand(require huge volume). Probably you can use waste steam to preheat crude oil before boiling oil for natural gas production.

Main problem inefficiency, basically you building something which mostly will dump electricity into nothingness and store only fraction of it for later recovery.