The fridge compressor v2.67 = Modular/stackable steam turbine/aquanter power plant/heat deletion gadget UPDATED

[RobertPaulson]

Needed to deal with the heat from the aquanter, came up with this that converts the heat generated from aquanter to subsidize its power consumption

Features:

-auto shut-off when the turbine stops

-door pump creates vacuum temp seal upon shutdown

-the airlock under turbine closes in sequence preventing deletion of gases, also creating vacuum temp seal upon shutdown

-override switches (or if you don't mind cheesing, hydro sensors that you can shove inside the assembly for more "compactibility")

-Modular: ez expansion, just slap another turbine on top, no no extra automation necessary (req, sufficient heat generators/magma)

-Aquanter friendly! -max Aquanter temp ~260-265*C (tested with >700kg of steam pressure)

-requires only 1 Aquanter! (runs choppy but with a battery bank (which is highly recommended) runs smooth. 

-max 2 steel aquanters /turbine

optimal is between 2-3/turbine, the 3rd one should be connected to the thermo sensor to run as needed or if needed to run 24/7 another turbine should be added and automated with the airlock beside the chimney

-over pressure friendly,since game doesn't care about gas pressure/tile

min steam pressure tested- 130kg/tile on the bottom, >700kg optimal for cooling

Note-if you gonna be adding more water when this is running make sure there is no standing water in the pipes coming into it as even abyssalite pipes heat up eventually.

The rest is in the pictures. Suggestions/criticism always welcome.

edit; clerification of what this AcTUaLLY does, and how to set it up in spoiler

Spoiler

One turbine can efficiently cool down lil more than 2 aquanters running continuously[1], however if you run more than 1 aqaunter you will need to provide power to the system at all times, still much cheaper then running them raw and you have no heat to deal with. if you want to run 3 or 4 of them then just slap another turbine on top, and automate that chimney airlock like i showed in automation view #2, dont forget to raise the temp sensor to 300, so that upper turbne warms up enough to actually run and add water so there is enough pressure ratio from the door pump.

One turbine will cool down 1 aquanter and output enough power that when stored it can run the aquanter when the turbine is off, bring the bottom temp up to the threshold and run the cycle again. now 1- i never tested this to be 100% standalone, why? because its not vaible. how viable this becomes depends on the temp threshold, the higher the threshold the longer the "cycle" and more batteries you need to place to store that power, but shorter cycles might run into glitches due to gases not mixing fast enough,that is when you really can't connect it to your grid. i highly recommend just hooking it up to the grid and harvesting the surplus while it lasts with temp sensor at 245. and this is what the design is for- 1 aqaunter, thats why there is auto shut-off. but options for future expansions are build-in, so slap 4 aquanters when you build it because later you can use them with another turbine, which is an ez build. later if you want to add another row of aquanters you can use better stuff than steal, and that is space mats so you will have exo suits to get inside that hot chamber and swap them up and add few, remember more aquanters=more turbines and more water/steam! you can always open more ports and add more steam so two squares on the bottom of the chimney have more gas the the single turbines through-output  but you will get less electricity from it.

[1] according to my calc and preliminary tests, since the turbine output is a set value- unless this is not correct, however the following confirms this. due to that the higher the input temp the more cooling it does, when i tested it, the temp plateaus at around 255 for two aquanters with one turbine so yah they run 5 degrees higher than i initially stated. i tried to run this 50 cycles on normal speed masochistic test but i'm not willing to tie up my rig for that long just to prove something, did super speed for 50 cycles, where i stopped after the temp didn't increase after 10 cycles. EVEN if it plateaus higher than 325 due to normal speed special conditions, which i doubt, then just open another vent of a turbine and add steam, double the cooling power. Idea was to keep the minimum cooling power per turbine so we can power more of them at once=more electricity.

 

 

 

SAVE FILE: included if you need to run it over night lol (save is for 2 aqaunters, therefore upper turbine is not utilized) mind you that i had to heat the bottom pool twice since i turn this thing on so make it ALOT bigger if you planning running this for a year or two. YOU NEED TO REBUILD THE AQAUNTERS USING STEEL SINCE I DON'T HAVE THE ALPHA HOT-PATCH UPDATE

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

steam test x2 cycle236am at 255C Cycle 246.sav

[tzionut]

1 No power for the aquatuner

2 no automation for aquatuner

3 why 2 sets of door compressors?

4 why high voltage wire instead of 2 kW wire

5 I suppose is for cooling the water from cool steam vents....

[Saturnus]

Are you sure this works? Run it for 50 cycles (not on ultra speed) without touching it and report back.

[Carnis]

1 hour ago, Saturnus said:

Are you sure this works? Run it for 50 cycles (not on ultra speed) without touching it and report back.

He has 100 000kg/tile debug pasted 387C steam.

I very much doubt its tested too.

[psusi]

4 hours ago, tzionut said:

4 why high voltage wire instead of 2 kW wire

Because 2 kw wire overloads.

 

[Saturnus]

21 minutes ago, psusi said:

Because 2 kw wire overloads.

 

Not when they're not connected to anything

Notice the aquatuners? No power or pipes actually goes to them. It's a bogus set up.

[RobertPaulson]

5 hours ago, tzionut said:

1 No power for the aquatuner

2 no automation for aquatuner

3 why 2 sets of door compressors?

4 why high voltage wire instead of 2 kW wire

5 I suppose is for cooling the water from cool steam vents....

1- cuz this is a blueprint

2-not needed unless you running 3-4 on one steam turbine

3- 1 door punmp one is a temp seal

4- answered

5- cooling anything, can also be placed over magma for pure electricity production

3 hours ago, Carnis said:

He has 100 000kg/tile debug pasted 387C steam.

I very much doubt its tested too.

it is if you've read the text below the pressure bug screen. edit; i removed that picture cuz it seemed to confuse ppl i just wanted to show that you can't over-pressurize this machine which was one of my initial concerns.

 

5 hours ago, Saturnus said:

Are you sure this works? Run it for 50 cycles (not on ultra speed) without touching it and report back.

lol, why 50 cycles? the thing creates steam form aquanters and usual "choke" cycle for 1 aqaunter is like 2 cycles. Here i posted one operating with 3 aquanters, and the upper turbine is automated. Note that the upper turbine will constantly choke since it running on energy from about .5 aquanter where ~3.5 is required 

[Saturnus]

17 minutes ago, RobertPaulson said:

lol, why 50 cycles? the thing creates steam form aquanters and usual "choke" cycle for 1 aqaunter is like 2 cycles. Here i posted one operating with 3 aquanters, and the upper turbine is automated. Note that the upper turbine will constantly choke since it running on energy from about .5 aquanter where ~3.5 is required 

It's the standard minimum amount of cycles a build has to run without being touched before you can claim even remotely constant operation.

[RobertPaulson]

27 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Not when they're not connected to anything

Notice the aquatuners? No power or pipes actually goes to them. It's a bogus set up.

thanks man, tried to share a design with ppl and i'm getting attacked. i know what not to waste my time on anymore. bogus deign works btw and doest rely on every single exploit that the game has.

3 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

It's the standard minimum amount of cycles a build has to run without being touched before you can claim even remotely constant operation.

i don't rly understand. what are we even talking about? as in this machine will stop? well yeah its design to stop when turbine shuts down and it will restart once the temp is high enough.... or will it over heat? well yeah if you running more than 2 aquanters it will over heat thats why you need to account for it... i don't understand any of this.

 

edit; i never claimed constant operation btw, it meant to auto-shutdown

[Saturnus]

4 minutes ago, RobertPaulson said:

thanks man, tried to share a design with ppl and i'm getting attacked.

Then post a design that would actually have a chance of working. I see you've edited the original post, and replaced the pictures. I'll look it over again and see if this one, version 2, is something that would possibly work.

EDIT: Looked it over again. Nope. Not a chance in hell it'll work.

[RobertPaulson]

23 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Then post a design that would actually have a chance of working. I see you've edited the original post, and replaced the pictures. I'll look it over again and see if this one, version 2, is something that would possibly work.

its literally the same design just with aquanter hooked up, and it looks messy/confusing,another point of this design was that it can be used without aquanters and magma instead, then you can stack like 5+turbines on this.The top turbine doesn't need to be automated thats why i left it raw in the first place.

23 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

 

EDIT: Looked it over again. Nope. Not a chance in hell it'll work.

wow, you are zo gut at this that you can simply simulate this game for 50 cycles MINIMUM just by looking over the pictures. im impressed lol. man what a guy

[Zarquan]

28 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Then post a design that would actually have a chance of working. I see you've edited the original post, and replaced the pictures. I'll look it over again and see if this one, version 2, is something that would possibly work.

EDIT: Looked it over again. Nope. Not a chance in hell it'll work.

What might be helpful is saying where you believe it would fail rather than just saying it would fail.  How can a person learn if the more informed won't tell them why they are wrong.  Suggestions, constructive feedback, ideas.  Saying "Not a chance in hell it'll work" is not helpful without a reason.

I do believe that a device should ideally work forever and 50 cycles is a good trial, but a build that doesn't work for that long can be the basis for a build that can.  The original oil boilers could not operate continuously at full power with an average volcano.

Would you mind uploading a save?  That way, we can see how it behaves in the long run without having to build it from your pictures.

1 hour ago, RobertPaulson said:

wow, you are zo gut at this that you can simply simulate this game for 50 cycles MINIMUM just by looking over the pictures. im impressed lol. man what a guy

I bet he sees a distinct flaw which he has encountered before.  If he has, he should really say what it is rather than just saying it doesn't work.

[RobertPaulson]

49 minutes ago, Zarquan said:

 

I do believe that a device should ideally work forever and 50 cycles is a good trial, but a build that doesn't work for that long can be the basis for a build that can.  [...]

Thanks for a civil reply.

but where exactly are you guys getting that this deign should work continuously? It was design auto-shut down and restart, literally the 1st feature i listed. if this would work continuously it can be stripped from half its automation.But is it hands off? YES yes it is

when I look at all the posts, its pretty obv most if not all of you didnt even read what I wrote  just looked at the pics.

And yeah, I can post a save file later, but what exactly do you want to test long term? If you tell me I could t set it up according cuz seems that you guys need plug and play solutions (since my aquanters are not even plugged in, huehuehue).

but really if you don't like it, don't use it, i just wanted to share something that works for me, and starting to regret it.

[Zarquan]

25 minutes ago, RobertPaulson said:

Thanks for a civil reply.

but where exactly are you guys getting that this deign should work continuously? It was design auto-shut down and restart, literally the 1st feature i listed. if this would work continuously it can be stripped from half its automation.But is it hands off? YES yes it is

when I look at all the posts, its pretty obv most if not all of you didnt even read what I wrote  just looked at the pics.

And yeah, I can post a save file later, but what exactly do you want to test long term? If you tell me I could t set it up according cuz seems that you guys need plug and play solutions (since my aquanters are not even plugged in, huehuehue).

but really if you don't like it, don't use it, i just wanted to share something that works for me, and starting to regret it.

I like the design.  And I'm happy you shared your design.  And I am not happy about how it was received.  @Saturnus isn't giving useful suggestions or saying what is wrong with it.

I was talking about the aquatuners running continuously, mostly because I don't see a mechanism for them to shut down if it gets too hot, meaning the heat of the whole system could creep up in temperature until something melts.  My concern would be that perhaps in the long term, the turbines can't cool the steam enough unless they can run enough.  But I am not a turbine expert.

Saturnus didn't say what aspect of the device would break.  My thinking is he thinks it isn't power-positive, but we can't be sure unless he says what is broken. 

[RobertPaulson]

7 hours ago, Zarquan said:

 

I was talking about the aquatuners running continuously, mostly because I don't see a mechanism for them to shut down if it gets too hot, meaning the heat of the whole system could creep up in temperature until something melts.  My concern would be that perhaps in the long term, the turbines can't cool the steam enough unless they can run enough.  But I am not a turbine expert.

 

hi, hmmm ok imma write something but please read it all..i might add it to the main post if these ppl even care. btw i see that I made a mistake and forgot that the default aquanter temp is 125*C, so steel +200 will push it over 300! which is great because that means that you can run 4 steel aquanters with 2 turbines! 

One turbine can efficiently cool down lil more than 2 aquanters running continuously[1], however if you run more than 1 aqaunter you will need to provide power to the system at all times, still much cheaper then running them raw and you have no heat to deal with. if you want to run 3 or 4 of them then just slap another turbine on top, and automate that chimney airlock like i showed in automation view #2, dont forget to raise the temp sensor to 300, so that upper turbne warms up enough to actually run and add water so there is enough pressure ratio from the door pump.

One turbine will cool down 1 aquanter and output enough power that when stored it can run the aquanter when the turbine is off, bring the bottom temp up to the threshold and run the cycle again. now 1- i never tested this to be 100% standalone, why? because its not vaible. how viable this becomes depends on the temp threshold, the higher the threshold the longer the "cycle" and more batteries you need to place to store that power, but shorter cycles might run into glitches due to gases not mixing fast enough,that is when you really can't connect it to your grid. i highly recommend just hooking it up to the grid and harvesting the surplus while it lasts with temp sensor at 245. and this is what the design is for- 1 aqaunter, thats why there is auto shut-off. but options for future expansions are build-in, so slap 4 aquanters when you build it because later you can use them with another turbine, which is an ez build. later if you want to add another row of aquanters you can use better stuff than steal, and that is space mats so you will have exo suits to get inside that hot chamber and swap them up and add few, remember more aquanters=more turbines and more water/steam! you can always open more ports and add more steam so two squares on the bottom of the chimney have more gas the the single turbines through-output  but you will get less electricity from it.

[1] according to my calc and preliminary tests, since the turbine output is a set value- unless this is not correct, however the following confirms this. due to that the higher the input temp the more cooling it does, when i tested it, the temp plateaus at around 255 for two aquanters with one turbine so yah they run 5 degrees higher than i initially stated. i tried to run this 50 cycles on normal speed masochistic test but i'm not willing to tie up my rig for that long just to prove something, did super speed for 50 cycles, where i stopped after the temp didn't increase after 10 cycles. EVEN if it plateaus higher than 325 due to normal speed special conditions, which i doubt, then just open another vent of a turbine and add steam, double the cooling power. Idea was to keep the minimum cooling power per turbine so we can power more of them at once=more electricity.

save included if you need to run it over night lol (save is for 2 aqaunters, therefore upper turbine is not utilized) mind you that i had to heat the bottom pool twice since i turn this thing on so make it ALOT bigger if you planning running this for a year or two.

NOTE:YOU NEED TO REBUILD THE AQAUNTERS USING STEEL SINCE I DON'T HAVE THE ALPHA HOT-PATCH UPDATE

steam test x2 cycle236am at 255C Cycle 246.sav