alown Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Since some update, i feel very frustrated by my dupes... I'm use to keep an eyes on them when they are constructing something, and now, they are alway running where they cant go... There is a problem with how the game calcul the way they can take... If they dig something, for a little time, the thing is still here, and they can go on, and once they are on the things, the game had update their possibility, and they are stuck... Dunno how to show it, but i think i'm not the only one to get this... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
crypticorb Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 This is why I use debug. It increases the quality of life in average gameplay, even if you don't use it to reveal the map or build anything. Sometimes the dupes are incredibly, infuriatingly stupid, and need to be rescued using ALT-Q to save them from themselves. It's a bit cheating, but until Klei updates the AI of the duplicants and critters, it's about the only way to cope with bugs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033018 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TG pro Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 I SO agree with you Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Dupes get only entombed in specific situations, easy to prevent. Snow / sand are sometimes tricky. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 7 hours ago, Oozinator said: Dupes get only entombed in specific situations, easy to prevent. Snow / sand are sometimes tricky. Still annoying and needlessly manual. It's idiotic that dupes entomb themselves in areas they can trivially walk out of. Entombment should be reserved for those cases where the dupe can't physically move out of the area, not when one dupe builds a tile around other dupe's head. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033174 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, Coolthulhu said: Still annoying and needlessly manual. It's idiotic that dupes entomb themselves in areas they can trivially walk out of. Entombment should be reserved for those cases where the dupe can't physically move out of the area, not when one dupe builds a tile around other dupe's head. Mhh not sure. Rarely triggered, quick learned. Klei improved the entombed stuff, dupes move one tile left or right, when there is space. I have no problem with that gamemechanic and sometimes it's even logical, when i keep in mind, that dupes could only get two tiles up. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coolthulhu Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, Oozinator said: Rarely triggered, quick learned. No reason for it to ever happen when building tiles on a flat ground, which is the most common case of it happening. Annoying to work around from player side, easy to fix from dev side (assuming the code isn't very low quality). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 Just now, Coolthulhu said: .. Annoying to work around from player side, easy to fix from dev side (assuming the code isn't very low quality). For me it's ok, without it ONI would be a bit more boring, for me.. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033177 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizzum22 Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 dupe /d(y)o͞op/ verb 1.deceive; trick:"the newspaper was duped into publishing an untrue story 1.a victim of deception:"knowing accomplices or unknowing dupes that is why they are called dupes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alown Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share Posted May 6, 2018 11 hours ago, Oozinator said: Dupes get only entombed in specific situations, easy to prevent. Snow / sand are sometimes tricky. I'm not speaking about that, i'm speaking about how they can dig or deconstruct something, and going on, even if it's not existing anymore.... That never hapens to me before last update, but i'm only playing since a month, so maybe it was alway like that...Or maybe it's because of the stat of my dupe who is very high... the game didnt calculate faster than they did something... i will try to take some pic of this situation, but it's not easy ... Edit: i forced the situation, because it's to hard to get it "in live", but the fact is the same. They can go where they cant !! please fix it... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 1 hour ago, alown said: Edit: i forced the situation, because it's to hard to get it "in live I know that. Dupe will take that route only direct after deconstruct is done. When he runs out of air/bladder/hunger/sleep the navigation link is cut. I have no problem with that ^^ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alown Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share Posted May 6, 2018 Really ? REALLY ???? Damn, that make me crazy .... I can deal with the lemmings behavior, not with this.... Luckily, the game have no fall damage, so each time they are idle due to this, i just dig around them, and they fall( and i still hope they will die from the fall, but it's never happens... ) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1033232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zergologist Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 Ya know that I had a very recent colony that had all 3 members entomb themselves building and digging Sad on dupe entombment. Klei needs to fix this Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1034705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted May 12, 2018 Share Posted May 12, 2018 5 hours ago, zergologist said: Ya know that I had a very recent colony that had all 3 members entomb themselves building and digging Sad on dupe entombment. Klei needs to fix this There is nothing, to "fix" at that point for me. When you build that way, it could happen. 2 tiles high... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1034756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zergologist Posted May 13, 2018 Share Posted May 13, 2018 Well I guess klei doesn't need to fix anything, it's just my base view that neeeeeeds to be fixed By base view i mean how i plan colonies Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1034951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alown Posted May 17, 2018 Author Share Posted May 17, 2018 By the way, you can anticipate as you want, their pathfinding is still glitchy. Klei need to fix it. How can you plan something, if your dupe know what they are doing ten minutes after they done it... That made no sense at all. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1036059 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oozinator Posted May 17, 2018 Share Posted May 17, 2018 Very weird is, when you have an area, where dupes enter from the right and you dig a hole, two tiles deep. When hole is digged and stuff sweeped, give the order to build a mesh tile at the top of the hole lock second free tile, not on top of second free tile..Test it.. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/90532-i-feel-bad-when-i-see-my-dupe-going-entombed/#findComment-1036061 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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