Really small dumb irrelevent question lmao

[Darlaimerner]

Do you think the Don't Starve characters are connected? I did a bunch of theories on how they could potentially be related, but honestly, everyone except the one about Wendy and Maxwell are the most speculative of speculation. If a dev had a minute, maybe they could just drop me a quick "Yeah" "Nah" or "Some of them are"? Or anyone in general reading this could tell me their opinion

[evantropia]

I'm sure Wigfrid is Maxwell father.

[Starlogy]

did you know wes is everyones dad

Spoiler

including himself

 

[CaptainChaotica]

Wow.  That brings "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" to a whole new level.  (And yes I know there's a Heinlein story about exactly that*.  : P) 

Personally I just go with the idea that they're mostly a bunch of people Maxwell thought would have some chance, I mean...are all the _previous_ survivors ALSO connected to each other _and_ our player characters?  Judging from the skeletons lying around there's been a bunch of 'em.  The more you bring in the less likely it becomes that they'd all have direct, known-to-them connections.  

Also I don't like all the "Willow is Wilson's sister, WX is actually Wagstaff in disguise and used to teach Wilson/run Winona's factory and is also Webber's grandfather" etc. stuff because it's just so...(winces)  So...FORCED.  Bending over backwards to make SURE that EVERYONE is connected, even when it doesn't make sense.  Why "must" they all be connected anyway?  I'd like these theories better if they weren't usually so contrived.  Like...start from the point of view of telling a story that _happens_ to, along the way, show how you think two or more characters are  connected...rather than starting from the assumption that they MUST be and FORCING the story to fit your idea No.  Matter.  What.  It's kinda like biasing a scientific experiement on purpose:  I want the result to be A, therefore I will skew the factors of the experiment to make _sure_ the result is A.

So, I just go with the canon/at least _hinted_ at IN GAME connections:

Maxwell and Charlie used to work together, kindasortamaybe had something that might've been a romance someday if things hadn't gone...awry.  (Some say they actually did, I'm...not sure.  They both strike me as shy introverts and times were a lot more conservative back then, too.)

Wendy and Abigail are Maxwell's nieces.

Winona is Charlie's big sister (duh).

Maxwell knew Wolfgang and Wes earlier than the others because they also worked at the circus he was part of; therefore they've been in the Constant longer than (most of) the others.

THEORY-ISH TIME:

Lucy MIGHT have been a person before she was an axe and MIGHT have possibly known Winona at one point, 'cos Charlie mentions something about visiting her sister up in British Columbia (unless, of course, she has another sister).  I kinda get a "yandere ex haunting your posessions after death" vibe from the interactions between Lucy and Woodie...

Okay, okay, fine. You want a "so-and-so are related" one?  Here ya go.  Winona and Wilson have exactly the same eyes (and colouring).  There.  Not saying I think they ARE related, just...it's one of the more plausible theories.  I sure as heck like it a lot better than "WX isn't really a robot, just a dude in a suit.", anyway.  (See also: Sans.  HE'S A SKELETON DAMMIT.  : P)

...Notorious

*It's actually called "By His Bootstraps" and...let's just say time travel and sex-changes are involved.  XD

[Darlaimerner]

I really like the idea that WX is Robert Wagstaff possessing him, but among those theories, that's my favorite. I also like the idea that Wilson and Willow are related, since they're ALWAYS together and usually seen as prioritizing the other. But again, that's mainly just speculation, which is why I'm asking Klei the question of "Should we only think this if they're REALLY hinted to be, or can we speculate all we'd like?"

[sosiskaKi]

 

[minespatch]

5 hours ago, Starlogy said:

did you know wes is everyones dad

 

[Sinister_Fang]

36 minutes ago, sosiskaKi said:

 

Ok, now how the heck did I miss this beautiful post? I read everything in DST general discussion...

[MisterPockets]

I believe all characters are each from different alternate realities, as that would explain why multiple versions exist and charlie being the main nexus that connects them all.

 

 

[Darlaimerner]

So far the general consensus is that some of them are, but there are some people saying all of them are. Hmmmmmmmmm

 

I'm very indecisive

[CaptainChaotica]

Well, you can make your HEADcanon whatever you want (obviously, as can anyone else).  Actual canon though...they've been pretty stingy with.  : P

...Notorious

[Darlaimerner]

On 3/24/2018 at 11:08 PM, CaptainChaotica said:

Well, you can make your HEADcanon whatever you want (obviously, as can anyone else).  Actual canon though...they've been pretty stingy with.  : P

...Notorious

I can have as many headcanons as I want. But I really want to know what the actual canon is, so that's kinda why I made this post. So far, I think it makes sense that characters are only related (by blood or not) to people when it's HINTED, but I won't draw that conclusion 'til Klei says it's true.

[Oofmeister]

I like to think WX-78 was made in the factory Winona happened to be working in that Willow carelessly burned down with Wagstaff in it who failed to evacuate the facility which made them hide inside of WX-78 as a last resort but died inside to explain WX having a skeletal interior upon being shocked. . .

*DEEP BREATH IN*

[Darlaimerner]

Anyway, so far, I think they really are all connected, just not by blood. More like a complex line that could lead you to anyone if you really followed the trail.

Webber is good friends with Wendy, and Wendy is the niece of Maxwell.

Maxwell was Charlie's mentor, and Charlie was the sister of Winona.

Winona worked for the factory that Robert Wagstaff owned, and Robert Wagstaff's new body is the WX-78 robotic system.

WX-78, therefore, had some relation to Willow.

Willow is the sister of Wilson, and Wilson was dragged into the constant by Maxwell.

Back on the subject of Maxwell, he had collided with the traveling circus with Wolfgang in it.

Wolfgang was accompanied by Wes, and Wes seems to be a friend of Warly.

Back on the subject of the Travelling Circus, it seems Wigfrid was also part of it.

Wilbur may be part of it as well.

The collision lead to Maxwell finding the Codex Umbra, supposedly from Wickerbottom.

Wickerbottom received the Codex Umbra from Woodie, who is implied to be the first person to suffer the effects of the book.

 

 

Notes: It seems like Woodie is the first person to suffer the effects because he thinks Lucy is actually a talking axe. Which is absurd.

It seems Wickerbottom had the book before Maxwell, because she mentions having had the book in her library at some point.

WX-78 is most likely a new body for Robert, as its title is very similar to the PR-76, another machine created by the same person. Plus, WX has emotions, clearly, as he can cry, have fear, be happy, and be all-around almost completely human like. The idea that it's a suit is kind of far fetched though.

Also, as the user above, Axelocke, pointed out, WX-78 says, when inspecting the campfire, that it "reminds him of something." In addition, Winona, when inspecting WX as a firestarter, says "Haven't we lost to enough fires?" So it's very clear Willow had "something" to do with that fire that burnt down Wagstaff's factory.

Willow is puh-robably Wilson's sister, wife, or cousin, mainly because she is ALWAYS seen as the "Yin to his Yang."  Always near him.

Warly refers to Wes as "Mon ami," which I believe means "Friend" in French. This could just be that they're both French, but at the same time, if you ran into another white guy (assuming you're a white person. If you're someone else, replace "white guy" with your ethnicity.) you wouldn't say "Oh, hi, friend!" You'd probably treat them like any other random person on the street, just, except, you haven't seen another person in months.

Other notes: If the texts are darned up, it's because copying and pasting an entire connection tree is apparently frowned upon by this hecking posting section.

Final note: Oh, my goodness, these gracious lines. I need to type this entire tree out. Laziness not permitted?!

Final final final note: Fixed! Finally. I had to copy and paste it all from the code.

[Oofmeister]

18 minutes ago, Darlaimerner said:

Notes: It seems like Woodie is the first person to suffer the effects because he thinks Lucy is actually a talking axe. Which is absurd.

Would the Codex Umbra situation also explain Woodie's curse in this case, or do you think he obtained it by other means?

 

[Darlaimerner]

Most likely. The Umbra has been known to do some really, really weird crap to people. It made William Carter a badass, so it is no stretch to say it makes Woodie an anthropomorphic beaver when he cuts down too many trees.

 

Oh, but, if this isn't the case, and he's been a werebeaver since birth, we have a very different problem.

 

Yeah, maybe Waverly had something to do with it

[Oofmeister]

This may be a far fetched idea, but there is an unused character named "Waverly" who bears strong resemblance to a Witch. Witches can curse people, right?

Maybe if Waverly were released there could've been evidence to support the idea of her being the one who inflicted Woodie. Which would give Woodie a potential connection to a character who was never even used.

 

Unless of course Woodie obtained his curse outside the world of The Constant, but that brings up the question, did Woodie always have this curse, or was he afflicted upon entering The Constant?

All these edits, I need to stop.

[Darlaimerner]

First of all, don't worry, I am also addicted to editing my posts.

Second of all, I know about Waverly, and yeah, it actually does make sense that maybe she inflicted the curse upon Woodie. So that adds an option to the previously TWO ways he could've gotten the curse.

He either had it since birth, got it when he entered the constant, or it was given to him by Waverly. If Waverly is released in Hamlet, I'll take that as confirmation that it is the tall latter.

[Sinister_Fang]

26 minutes ago, Darlaimerner said:

Webber is good friends with Wendy, and Wendy is the niece of Maxwell.

Maxwell was Charlie's mentor, and Charlie was the sister of Winona.

Winona worked for the factory that Robert Wagstaff owned, and Robert Wagstaff's new body is the WX-78 robotic system.

WX-78, therefore, had some relation to Willow.

Willow is the sister of Wilson, and Wilson was dragged into the constant by Maxwell.

Back on the subject of Maxwell, he had collided with the traveling circus with Wolfgang in it.

Wolfgang was accompanied by Wes, and Wes seems to be a friend of Warly.

Back on the subject of the Travelling Circus, it seems Wigfrid was also part of it.

Wilbur may be part of it as well.

The collision lead to Maxwell finding the Codex Umbra, supposedly from Wickerbottom.

Wickerbottom received the Codex Umbra from Woodie, who is implied to be the first person to suffer the effects of the book.

This reminds me of Illuminati conspiracies/jokes.

[Darlaimerner]

I thought so too

[Oofmeister]

7 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said:

This reminds me of Illuminati conspiracies/jokes.

Now we just need an in-game government to doubt.

 

Wait, the hierarchy in Hamlet! THEY ARE BEHIND ALL OF-

[Darlaimerner]

Here's a cool thing I found out a while ago: Sometimes, when Woodie picks up Lucy after being turned into the Werebeaver, she'll say "I think that creepy girl is mad at you." It turns out this is a wink and nudge to Wendy, who says "He promised to let me ride his shoulders next time. Such lies." when she inspects the Werebeaver. This implies that Woodie could be her older brother, dad, or a good friend.

[Sinister_Fang]

25 minutes ago, Darlaimerner said:

This implies that Woodie could be her older brother, dad, or a good friend.

It's most likely that last one. If they were actually related there would be some mention of it somewhere. Wendy's relation to Maxwell isn't exactly that subtle...

[Darlaimerner]

6 hours ago, Sinister_Fang said:

It's most likely that last one. If they were actually related there would be some mention of it somewhere. Wendy's relation to Maxwell isn't exactly that subtle...

fair and true. Although if he were their brother or dad, it would certainly explain how Lucy died if she was formerly a human, same for Abigail.

 

Actually, considering it's implied they're the daughters of Jack Carter, not Woodie, I think maybe this can STILL be explained by him just being a friend...

 

...scrub whatever I said before. You're right.

[CaptainChaotica]

Oh, my how-Abigail-died theory is depressingly realistic--but historical:

Spanish Flu.

The game takes place in "about 1920"--or at least, that's the year in our (?) world when Wilson gets dragged in, (b) I'm not sure if ghosts are about the same size as their original body but let's say they are, and (c) Abigail and Wendy are around the same...height? meaning that Abby must've died fairly recently or else Wendy would be taller,.'cos if she's not still in the growing years, she just _barely_ was.  Aaand, the Spanish Flu epidemic hit right around the end of WWI, 1918.

Heck, if the devs can tie the San Francisco 1906 earthquake in with Maxwell in their version, _I_ can use history bits too.  Ha.

As for Woodie and Wendy...I'd go with "friend", definitely, and...I'm not sure exactly when the twins would've met him, but we can go back to the "my sister up in BC" thing again to say WINONA knew him, maybe, and through her Charlie might've at least known _about_ him through letters...but bear in mind Canada is one GINOURMOUS great whack of a country, so...

AND, this would only make Woodie the friend (?) of the sister of their uncle's assistant ("So...what does that make us?"  "Absolutely nothing, which is what you are about to become!"), and the William Carter letters at least strongly hint that Maxwell doesn't even MEET Wendy and Abigail before They drag him off to The Constant ("you haven't even met the twins yet!"), so extended-family getaways in the Canadian woods probably didn't happen in canon.  (shrug)

Personally I always thought Wendy was talking about the beaver giving her a piggy-back ride right THEN, as in, during the game's time period, not from years before...but then her age is really iffy anyway.  Going by the William Carter puzzles again she's in her late teens (unless something wibbly-wobbly and/or timey-wimey was already going on); but almost everything about her in the game itself says "child", including the name of her Winter's Feast 2017 outfit, "snowCHILD", so...

(And since I'm already being historical, I'm'a be That Person and say there is no way a young woman of "coming out" (into society!) age would still be wearing her hair down in long pigtails.  In 1920, it would be up, or Wendy Bobs Her Hair*. That's it.  Willow and Wigfrid slip by because CRAZY!  (Wickerbottom:  Hair IS up, Winona? Same, in a more practical kind of way, Walani?  Other culture.)  Otherwise, the evidence points to Wendy still being a kid.  True, she could always let her hair down once she GETS there, and realises she's in a whole different world with different rules...but she TELEPORTS IN that way!)

...Notorious

*I'm gonna get off my arse and actually draw Flapper Wendy one of these days...