clo3d Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 Wortox The fosaken -is Bad but just(krampus help him) -he love honey(not sure if it is him or krampus) -he is in the rude World(start in the ruins with what he need) Wortox has 2 special crafts that only him can do: -a first chest that krampus never steal(a little less easy to craft than regular chest) -a second chest where krampus put what he took in other(well more difficult to craft) Wallace The business Man -can bribe anyone(can befriend pigs spiders,clockworks and mermaids(from distance for sécurity)) -has a wonderful cane -has trouble to keep his riches(when his mentality is low, all gold he take and in is hands turn to stone) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ecu Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 I think you need to flesh these out a bit more. You should also keep in mind that characters should not generally be given benefits to the degree your first character is given them. Giving a character a chest that is Krampus proof (and monkey/Bearger proof) is already really good, but then to have items taken by Krampus be put into a second chest? Seems a bit absurd. On top of this, I'm not really sure why the character has such benefits, lore wise. Some concept art would probably be good as well. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-845513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted December 6, 2016 Share Posted December 6, 2016 1 hour ago, Ecu said: I think you need to flesh these out a bit more. You should also keep in mind that characters should not generally be given benefits to the degree your first character is given them. Giving a character a chest that is Krampus proof (and monkey/Bearger proof) is already really good, but then to have items taken by Krampus be put into a second chest? Seems a bit absurd. On top of this, I'm not really sure why the character has such benefits, lore wise. Some concept art would probably be good as well. These are the abandoned characters, Wortox the demon and Wallace the... grumpy old chap. I feel the ideas here are pretty OP and don't mesh with the game well, but I'm not going to push my opinion down anyone's throat :). Regards! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-845550 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo3d Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 8 hours ago, Ecu said: I think you need to flesh these out a bit more. You should also keep in mind that characters should not generally be given benefits to the degree your first character is given them. Giving a character a chest that is Krampus proof (and monkey/Bearger proof) is already really good, but then to have items taken by Krampus be put into a second chest? Seems a bit absurd. On top of this, I'm not really sure why the character has such benefits, lore wise. Some concept art would probably be good as well. Yes,I also think this is a little much for wortox but I was keeping in mind that that if hé is with krampus,he will always have to fight many Monsters for being toi evil in more of the fact that he start direct in the ruins. Also,I was thinking of à second chest not that easy to craft(from m'y opinion)to craft;like à crampusbag+candies+wooden boards and only krampus proof. But I agree ,maybe that not that equal. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-845676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo3d Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 7 hours ago, Arlesienne said: These are the abandoned characters, Wortox the demon and Wallace the... grumpy old chap. I feel the ideas here are pretty OP and don't mesh with the game well, but I'm not going to push my opinion down anyone's throat :). Regards! OP? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-845681 Share on other sites More sharing options...
. . . Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 4 minutes ago, clo3d said: OP? OP = Overpowered Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-845682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Someonestolemeberrys Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 19 hours ago, clo3d said: Wortox The forsaken -is Bad but just(krampus help him) -he love honey(not sure if it is him or krampus) -he is in the rude World(start in the ruins with what he need) Wortox has 2 special crafts that only him can do: -a first chest that krampus never steal(a little less easy to craft than regular chest) -a second chest where krampus put what he took in other(well more difficult to craft) Just my opinions but... To balance a character you need downsides. -His chests are actually mimics so if you want to move em you need to fight em. -Only can eat Sweets and Monster meat. No demon lord wants to munch on something healthy -Why do tree's go mean? because anything Wortox plants, petrifies. No more crops. No more traps. No more (Plant) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-845698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 3 hours ago, clo3d said: OP? Overly powerful or overpowered. Your!Wortox has ruins gear, a chest no game entity can steal from (and it's recipe is " a little less easy to craft than regular chest"), another where Krampus stashes his loot (I'm rather confused as to the details, is it what he grabs from players after spawning or a random loot table?), and no weaknesses. If you look at @Kzisor's adaptations of the game assets for Wortox: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=453114504 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=459365663 you will see they're powerful, but it's balanced by pretty challenging downsides. And that's why they're fun to play. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-845712 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo3d Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 On 07/12/2016 at 10:46 AM, Arlesienne said: Overly powerful or overpowered. Your!Wortox has ruins gear, a chest no game entity can steal from (and it's recipe is " a little less easy to craft than regular chest"), another where Krampus stashes his loot (I'm rather confused as to the details, is it what he grabs from players after spawning or a random loot table?), and no weaknesses. If you look at @Kzisor's adaptations of the game assets for Wortox: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=453114504 http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=459365663 you will see they're powerful, but it's balanced by pretty challenging downsides. And that's why they're fun to play. I think you have misunderstood; Wortox hasn't ruins gear ,he start in ruins and the first chest is a protection only for krampus. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-846172 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 1 hour ago, clo3d said: I think you have misunderstood; Wortox hasn't ruins gear ,he start in ruins and the first chest is a protection only for krampus. You said he starts with what he needs (the sentences are probably created using a virtual translator, hence the difficulty of understanding them), what did you mean here? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-846175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clo3d Posted December 8, 2016 Author Share Posted December 8, 2016 2 hours ago, Arlesienne said: You said he starts with what he needs (the sentences are probably created using a virtual translator, hence the difficulty of understanding them), what did you mean here? I mean with the necessary for start a survive in ruins(light,mushroom,base camp) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-846227 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 3 minutes ago, clo3d said: I mean with the necessary for start a survive in ruins(light,mushroom,base camp) OK. That's still much. You could make a mod with your ideas. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-846229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaotica Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Huh. I didn't even know about that other version of Wortox--the only one I'd seen previously (then again, I didn't look for all that long) was Yosukuva's (I probably spelled that wrong) and I decided not to put that one in my game, because he sounded like the parts of Webber that make him potentially dangerous to play in Together...ON STEROIDS! Seriously, it was all about how normally harmless/nice things would attack him AND how he could then make structures that would turn the surrounding area evil to suit him. Imagine those griefers who put Webber's spider nest right by the entrance, but in the middle of your base and way worse? Yeah. This other one seems way more balanced and other-player-friendly, and I really like the idea of starting off wimpy and gradually levelling up--and not in a way that takes up rare resources, like WX. Maybe I'll try it out myself for a bit... ANYway. Point is, in a mod character, go for something like that, not something overpowered. Make sure it's well thought-out and balanced, and can work with a team if needed (since this is Together we're talking about). And then you'll have designed a decent character! ...Notorious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-846238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 1 hour ago, CaptainChaotica said: Huh. I didn't even know about that other version of Wortox--the only one I'd seen previously (then again, I didn't look for all that long) was Yosukuva's (I probably spelled that wrong) and I decided not to put that one in my game, because he sounded like the parts of Webber that make him potentially dangerous to play in Together...ON STEROIDS! Seriously, it was all about how normally harmless/nice things would attack him AND how he could then make structures that would turn the surrounding area evil to suit him. Ysovuka. That's the name you're looking for. AKA @Kzisor . Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-846254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaotica Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 What? That's the same person? But...there's two mods for the same character and they're so different from each other... Well if anything, you can see why I was confused. : P ...Notorious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-846387 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kzisor Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 21 minutes ago, CaptainChaotica said: What? That's the same person? But...there's two mods for the same character and they're so different from each other... Well if anything, you can see why I was confused. : P ...Notorious Here is my Workshop page with all my mods: Click Here I've made several characters all with unique advantages and disadvantages. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72306-wallace-and-wortox/#findComment-846390 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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