SeriousSteel Posted June 26, 2016 Share Posted June 26, 2016 Are there going to be different values/mechanics for the characters in both PVE and PVP? I feel that at the moment some of the characters were heavily tuned down because of PVP and it is a disappointing to not see them be picked in PVE because they are not as useful as other characters. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/68492-i-have-a-question-about-pvp-and-pve-balance/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaotica Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 YES. GODS yes. Unfortunately, apparently this is not possible, or they might've done it by now. Willow is, of course, as everyone here knows by now, the main bone in my craw in regards to this, but it happened to others. Unfortunately, people made so many complaints about that character in particular that she was nerfed into OBLIVION...despite the fact that, of course, _anybody_ can make a torch. And unfortunately, there's no way at all to stop people from being dicks, as even IN PvE, you can burn down bases, hammer structures, put spider nests or tentacles right by spawn/touchstones... ...I gave up and now play mainly on my own server, where I can pick and choose which mods to use ("Willow the Unnerfed", in this case.). It's just that bad. The "normal" Together version of Willow is so useless/boring/flavourless, I just...don't even anymore. Hey, want to know how damaging these changes really are? Well, recently I finished my longest (Together) run ever--on my own server, at 109 days. And guess which character I played--that's RIGHT, Willow--the _unnerfed_! The SECOND those stupid changes were taken off, I immediately started playing way better than I ever have before, in multiplayer. And yes, ALL of her original self is back, with that mod. Including the insanity fires. 109 days vs. 33. Sigh. (And yes, I know other characters were messed up too; Willow is the just one I know best as she's kinda my main in singleplayer. Heh.) ...Notorious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/68492-i-have-a-question-about-pvp-and-pve-balance/#findComment-788098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faintly Macabre Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Welcome to Online Gaming 2.0, where PvE fun is often at the mercy of PvP balance because Reasons. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/68492-i-have-a-question-about-pvp-and-pve-balance/#findComment-788147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clwnbaby Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 21 hours ago, CaptainChaotica said: _anybody_ can make a torch. This was not the source of the problem for her nerf. The problem was that DST is FILLED with noob players who know nothing of the characters, game, or their mechanics so when they picked an advanced character like Willow the unintentional griefing prospects were through the roof on account that if you don't manage her sanity she will start fires. This led to MANY MANY MANY bases being burnt to the ground because the fire mechanics were that of single player and all the noobs kept starting fires because they were crazy all the time. In single player when Willow's crazy fire starting occurs only you the player are punished. In Together when the same thing happens potentially EVERYONE is punished and this led to a lot of hate toward her and Klei wanted to balance that aspect of the game and character. They didn't want to punish everyone for something one person couldn't handle. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/68492-i-have-a-question-about-pvp-and-pve-balance/#findComment-788295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faintly Macabre Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 @Clwnbaby I don't think not setting fires at her feet anymore is the "nerf" they're upset about. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/68492-i-have-a-question-about-pvp-and-pve-balance/#findComment-788328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainChaotica Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Yes, yes, I KNOW all that. It occurred to me instantly. I'm still just pissed off that (a) my favourite character got her name dragged through the mud for all time, when other characters can be played by jackasses too, and (b) that because of a few jerks, we can't have nice things. And the nerfs I'M talking about are along the lines of the lighter not being worth anything anymore, 'cos it has the same tiny circle of light but now degrades! and the loss of her fire immunity. Willow just isn't...Willow, without at least one of those. Now, she's kinda like, ya know, someone who's _okay_ with a LITTLE fire... Since it seems that on very large, very long-running servers, infinite-durability lighters become a problem, then I'd be fine with just getting the fire immunity back. THAT wouldn't clutter anything or lead to newbies setting bases on fire by accident. Anyway. I've already had to resort to using mods (not usually my thing), so, feh. ...Notorious Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/68492-i-have-a-question-about-pvp-and-pve-balance/#findComment-788338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnonymousKoala Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 3 hours ago, CaptainChaotica said: Yes, yes, I KNOW all that. It occurred to me instantly. I'm still just pissed off that (a) my favourite character got her name dragged through the mud for all time, when other characters can be played by jackasses too, and (b) that because of a few jerks, we can't have nice things. And the nerfs I'M talking about are along the lines of the lighter not being worth anything anymore, 'cos it has the same tiny circle of light but now degrades! and the loss of her fire immunity. Willow just isn't...Willow, without at least one of those. Now, she's kinda like, ya know, someone who's _okay_ with a LITTLE fire... Since it seems that on very large, very long-running servers, infinite-durability lighters become a problem, then I'd be fine with just getting the fire immunity back. THAT wouldn't clutter anything or lead to newbies setting bases on fire by accident. Anyway. I've already had to resort to using mods (not usually my thing), so, feh. ...Notorious They could do lighters similar to lucy to prevent cluttering. So if the lighter isn't on willow for, say, 2 days, poof, it comes back to her/drops near her. when she dies and revives it will do the same too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/68492-i-have-a-question-about-pvp-and-pve-balance/#findComment-788378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clwnbaby Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 @TheHalcyonOne Clearly you don't understand what was being responded to or what was said. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/68492-i-have-a-question-about-pvp-and-pve-balance/#findComment-788385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faintly Macabre Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 6 hours ago, Clwnbaby said: @TheHalcyonOne Clearly you don't understand what was being responded to or what was said. Your entire post is focused on the concern of inexperienced players going insane and setting bases on fire. It seems pretty clear to me that you're the one who's confused. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/68492-i-have-a-question-about-pvp-and-pve-balance/#findComment-788430 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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