So am I the only one who has an issue with the Flood Season?

[SirBuizelton]

Now don't get me wrong, I love the idea, it's really cool and it makes a lot of sense and provides a nice challenge, but the problem for me really lies with those times when puddles spawn inside my base. All the preparations I did with sandbags turns out to be for nothing and there's really not much I can do to stop the flooding from continuing to spread all through my carefully enclosed camp. Such a sad irony.

I proposed a solution earlier today for an item that could help with this and also be good for other things too but it didn't seem like much of anybody took any interest in it, which is why I'm wondering if I'm the only person who actually is having any trouble with this. I thought it was a good idea at least 

Edit: I'm really not asking for the season to be nerfed, please don't think that I am. Puddles spawning inside bases is fine, if there's actually a way to deal with it. For me, sandbags don't cut it when puddles spawn directly on top of your machines. All I'm asking for is an item that can help alleviate the problem a bit. Here's my idea: http://forums.kleien...-season-issues/ [edit ends here]

 

 

COME ON MAN. SPONGES PLEASE ;^;

[Katalina549]

After seeing the fruitlessness of making a beautiful sandbag boundary, I have been ascribing to the "when you see a puddle start put a sandbag on it before it grows" theory, but that doesn't always work well either. The first time it rained in flood season for this current game I'm on (it was a few days in), two 4x4 puddles spawned instantly right next to my base. What the heck. (Something about how many days into the season=how big the puddle is, yeah, but they spawned INSTANTLY that big.)

 

I'll agree that there are some serious problems with flood season right now, but I've also seen the devs say they want to change how sandbags work in a later update (they didn't have time to get to it for this one) so maybe they'll resolve some of these problems then. *crosses fingers*

 

[SirBuizelton]

After seeing the fruitlessness of making a beautiful sandbag boundary, I have been ascribing to the "when you see a puddle start put a sandbag on it before it grows" theory, but that doesn't always work well either. The first time it rained in flood season for this current game I'm on (it was a few days in), two 4x4 puddles spawned instantly right next to my base. What the heck. (Something about how many days into the season=how big the puddle is, yeah, but they spawned INSTANTLY that big.)

 

I'll agree that there are some serious problems with flood season right now, but I've also seen the devs say they want to change how sandbags work in a later update (they didn't have time to get to it for this one) so maybe they'll resolve some of these problems then. *crosses fingers*

 

Okay good, so I'm not being totally unreasonable then, heh.

 

I don't necessarily know that Sandbags need to be reworked as much as it'd be wonderful to be able to see an item like the one I suggested in the game. It could really help to deal with the times when water does end up inside your base quite nicely I think. I say this because I feel like sandbags still have the wonderful purpose of helping to keep back the tide and overall keep excessive floods from the outside of your base from getting in, and if we had an item like a sponge/mop/spongemop, the problem is pretty much solved but ONLY if you actually are able to keep the water from continuing to flow into your base via sandbags for full protection. That's the balanced thing imo because the item should have durability.

 

http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/60927-item-concept-sponge-possible-solution-for-monsoon-season-issues/

 

There's a link to the item suggestion I made for more details if you're interested. If more people show interest I can get more technical about the item and how it could work.

[Katalina549]

In the words of Maxwell when examining a magma pile, I can dig it.

 

That is a good idea! Having two items for the two different functions seems much more intuitive.

[SirBuizelton]

In the words of Maxwell when examining a magma pile, I can dig it.

 

That is a good idea! Having two items for the two different functions seems much more intuitive.

 

Haha, thanks. 

 

Mmhmm, that's what I was going for!

 

 Also sorry if some of what I'm saying is a bit incoherent, I'll edit it later when I'm not so exhausted lol.

[Guest]

Yep just happened to me, I was so well prepared and camped in base day 40-45 with 40 sandbags ready but it didnt rain until 45 then boom all of a sudden 4 puddles 4x4 wide around all my machines. It just isnt fun.

[SirBuizelton]

Yep just happened to me, I was so well prepared and camped in base day 40-45 with 40 sandbags ready but it didnt rain until 45 then boom all of a sudden 4 puddles 4x4 wide around all my machines. It just isnt fun.

 

I feel you man, it's why I'm really pushing for that item suggestion I made. I really think it could serve as a good solution to the problem.

[Talavaj]

Everybody has an issue with it, it is a horrible mechanic.

Randomly spawning puddles should not exist, there should only be high tides coming from the sea that you can block off with sandbags and that's it.

[SirBuizelton]

Everybody has an issue with it, it is a horrible mechanic.

Randomly spawning puddles should not exist, there should only be high tides coming from the sea that you can block off with sandbags and that's it.

 

I sort of agree but also sort of don't at the same time.

 

Would it be way easier if it worked that way? Absolutely.

 

Would it make as much sense? Maybe not. My reasoning is that much of the flooding happens because of extremely heavy rainfall, which may raise the tides yes, but it would be more of a problem of patches of land filling up and becoming flooded mush.

 

Would it take away a lot of the challenge that makes the season interesting and cruel? Probably.

 

Like I said several times, I really think it'd be a lot less frustrating if we had an item that helped us deal with it, difficult as it may be to find or craft. (Like my sea sponge idea I linked, for example) So many problems in Don't Starve are cruel, but manageable if you're able to science your way through it, and that's what I love about the game.

[SinisterOctopus]

Maybe what needs to happen, instead of expecting the new game mechanic to change, is we need to adapt. After my second spring when half my base short circuited, I realized my base was the problem. We're all so used to cramming all of our stuff close together within the range of a flingomatic.

Structures no longer smolder in Shipwrecked, so I've been spreading everything in my base far apart, so that when puddles spawn in my base, because I know they will, I have enough space to cover or wall them off.

[SirBuizelton]

Maybe what needs to happen, instead of expecting the new game mechanic to change, is we need to adapt. After my second spring when half my base short circuited, I realized my base was the problem. We're all so used to cramming all of our stuff close together within the range of a flingomatic.

Structures no longer smolder in Shipwrecked, so I've been spreading everything in my base far apart, so that when puddles spawn in my base, because I know they will, I have enough space to cover or wall them off.

 

I like what you're going for here, but I honestly feel like it's very wasteful of resources and awkward of a game mechanic to have to just put walls around a puddle whenever it forms in your base. Because when the season's over you're just going to have useless sandbag boxes all over the place that you can either destroy or just leave there I guess. Just my thoughts.

[WillPwn4Food]

In the update thread, someone suggested snakeskin flooring that prevents puddles from spawning on them, but not from water flooding over them. This would keep sandbags from becoming obsolete, but also make up for their shortcomings.

[SirBuizelton]

In the update thread, someone suggested snakeskin flooring that prevents puddles from spawning on them, but not from water flooding over them. This would keep sandbags from becoming obsolete, but also make up for their shortcomings.

 

It could work I guess, but that doesn't really make much sense to me personally and might actually end up making things too easy.

[SirBuizelton]

Yep just happened to me, I was so well prepared and camped in base day 40-45 with 40 sandbags ready but it didnt rain until 45 then boom all of a sudden 4 puddles 4x4 wide around all my machines. It just isnt fun.

 

 

You are not alone, my friend. These puddles spawned directly on top of my crock pot and lightning rod. What am I supposed to do? I can't place sandbags on top of my crock pot even if I wanted to!

[Gaseraki]

Actually flooding is a major issue on the second year onwards.
Basically in the first year you only get the 2x2 puddle spawns. However in the second year they spawn as 4x4. The time that they spawn seems to be strangly delayed and came nearly half way into the sesson but then wrecked my base.  

Screen shot attached is my first attempt at the second year. My most recent base is far more spread out to help with flooding but it didnt help mich.
I managed to hold the tide as I have a ton of sand bags but here is the second issue.  
Removing the sandbags requires a lot of hammers : stone.  
So I can either leave my base covered in ugly looking sandbags which will be weird destroyed shells after hurricane season hits. Or I will run out of stone from just hammering sand bags.  
I cant think of any real work arounds, either as you really have to have a fridge and crock pot also creating ice in the run up to summer.  
Also mosquitoes are the worst.....

[SirBuizelton]

Actually flooding is a major issue on the second year onwards.

Basically in the first year you only get the 2x2 puddle spawns. However in the second year they spawn as 4x4. The time that they spawn seems to be strangly delayed and came nearly half way into the sesson but then wrecked my base.  

Screen shot attached is my first attempt at the second year. My most recent base is far more spread out to help with flooding but it didnt help mich.

I managed to hold the tide as I have a ton of sand bags but here is the second issue.  

Removing the sandbags requires a lot of hammers : stone.  

So I can either leave my base covered in ugly looking sandbags which will be weird destroyed shells after hurricane season hits. Or I will run out of stone from just hammering sand bags.  

I cant think of any real work arounds, either as you really have to have a fridge and crock pot also creating ice in the run up to summer.  

Also mosquitoes are the worst.....

 

Yeah, I'm totally with you man. I've been to 150+ days a couple different times, it's just brutal. Hopefully if enough attention is paid to this the devs will take notice and work on a solution if they aren't already. If not, well, there's always my suggested item up for consideration!  

[sleepyglass]

I've gotten past the first year and puddles only become a problem if they are not removable. Sandbags are supposed to work as a preventative measure IRL, I assume the same in game. I don't believe there is currently a measure to make puddles either not appear, or to disappear. You CAN use sandbags to push back on high tide, but other than that not much else. I've heard of mops, water repellent floors, increasing palm hut range, etc. I support any measure that deals with removing puddles. I'm really for puddles, but there isn't a way to get them out of your base, despite all the best measures to prevent flooding. Poison mosquitoes, flooded structures, water-induced sanity drain...problem after problem with flooding+rain mechanic.

[SirBuizelton]

I've gotten past the first year and puddles only become a problem if they are not removable. Sandbags are supposed to work as a preventative measure IRL, I assume the same in game. I don't believe there is currently a measure to make puddles either not appear, or to disappear. You CAN use sandbags to push back on high tide, but other than that not much else. I've heard of mops, water repellent floors, increasing palm hut range, etc. I support any measure that deals with removing puddles. I'm really for puddles, but there isn't a way to get them out of your base, despite all the best measures to prevent flooding. Poison mosquitoes, flooded structures, water-induced sanity drain...problem after problem with flooding+rain mechanic.

 

Unfortunately, as of right now it's not possible to remove puddles and honestly that's all I feel is entirely necessary to add at the moment because sandbags are practically useless if you can't deal with the water that gets in. I think I mentioned this before but I feel like floors that are just completely water proof (especially if they're made of snakeskin, which I have like a million of just sitting around at this point) are way too overpowered. I dunno about increasing palm hut range though, haven't heard of that idea but it sounds neat (also ridiculously OP though)

[SirBuizelton]

Actually flooding is a major issue on the second year onwards.

Basically in the first year you only get the 2x2 puddle spawns. However in the second year they spawn as 4x4. The time that they spawn seems to be strangly delayed and came nearly half way into the sesson but then wrecked my base.  

Screen shot attached is my first attempt at the second year. My most recent base is far more spread out to help with flooding but it didnt help mich.

I managed to hold the tide as I have a ton of sand bags but here is the second issue.  

Removing the sandbags requires a lot of hammers : stone.  

So I can either leave my base covered in ugly looking sandbags which will be weird destroyed shells after hurricane season hits. Or I will run out of stone from just hammering sand bags.  

I cant think of any real work arounds, either as you really have to have a fridge and crock pot also creating ice in the run up to summer.  

Also mosquitoes are the worst.....

 

Oh hey I forgot to mention: Nice base!

[Lacost]

First of all:

 

What's so bad on a flooded base? The worst thing that can happen is that your ice box is shortwiring but that's it. Chiminea contains your fire, chests don't botter it, science machines can be bypassed (brain of thought) and other machines in the science tab are more or less useless gimmicks in this season.

 

You don't even need a crock pot since you don't need to effectively use your food sources.

[LuisLzn]

It would be nice if by changing the floor (to wooden flooring or anything else), we chould prevent all the area with the floor from spawning puddles during this season, or make a tool made of what you said, sponge, or anything else to clean or absorb the puddles.

 

[BravePotato]

First of all:

 

What's so bad on a flooded base? The worst thing that can happen is that your ice box is shortwiring but that's it. Chiminea contains your fire, chests don't botter it, science machines can be bypassed (brain of thought) and other machines in the science tab are more or less useless gimmicks in this season.

 

You don't even need a crock pot since you don't need to effectively use your food sources.

 

With your logic why we ever bother made a base anymore :/?

[SirBuizelton]

First of all:

What's so bad on a flooded base? The worst thing that can happen is that your ice box is shortwiring but that's it. Chiminea contains your fire, chests don't botter it, science machines can be bypassed (brain of thought) and other machines in the science tab are more or less useless gimmicks in this season.

You don't even need a crock pot since you don't need to effectively use your food sources.

I fail to understand how having your entire base reduced to having nothing useable at all except for a chimnea (plus the fact that your sanity will be absolutely destroyed by standing near it because you'll end up so soaked) is not a major survival issue. Your food will end up spoiling in your fridge, you won't be able to use any of it efficiently in your crock pot, and god forbid you need to make anything new in the science machine or alchemy engine you forgot to prototype earlier.

[SirBuizelton]

It would be nice if by changing the floor (to wooden flooring or anything else), we chould prevent all the area with the floor from spawning puddles during this season, or make a tool made of what you said, sponge, or anything else to clean or absorb the puddles.

I honestly feel like it'd be really overpowered to just have floors that are totally puddle/flood proof.

[Lacost]

I fail to understand how having your entire base reduced to having nothing useable at all except for a chimnea (plus the fact that your sanity will be absolutely destroyed by standing near it because you'll end up so soaked) is not a major survival issue. Your food will end up spoiling in your fridge, you won't be able to use any of it efficiently in your crock pot, and god forbid you need to make anything new in the science machine or alchemy engine you forgot to prototype earlier.

 

Sanity: Even if your base is completely dry you still have to venture out and stand in puddles. So you need 100% water resistance anyways. The only benefit from a dry base for this topic is that you don`t have to wear your rain protection items all the time. Since your base will most likely only be fully flooded after half of the monsoon season, 2 umbrellas and a football helmet will do perfectly fine.

 

Fridge: As I mentioned in my previous post the fridge is the only worthwhile structure to protect during monsoon season. However this is not necessary since food is so easily gathered that you do not need to preserve your food at all.

 

Crock Pot: Same as the fridge. You don't need to use food efficiently in SW unlike in RoG.

 

Prototyping: You can still prototype even if your science machines malfunction. The new item brain of thought lets you prototype 4 things per hat and you can build a new one every few days. Or you pre-craft some of them in Calm/Hurricane season so you don't need your science machines at all.

 

 

The only things I really need from my base in SW are chests and a light/fire source. Both work perfectly fine even in a fully flooded base.