Karnkate Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 If you've read in the "Where can I find the gears" thread, you'll know that I died in Ruins and thus all of my important stuff are there. Problems go worse: I didn't eliminate the spider nest in the cave on time and thus it transforms into a spider queen. I remember that there are 2 more Tier3 dens and they probably will be queens soon enough. *headdesk* I should not be too curious about the cave.The question is the thread's name. How many bee mines should be used? Apart from spider queens, there also are itty bitty spider minions and Depth Worms. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gumhoy Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 The answer to this question is hypothetical, as Bee Mines do not do a fixed amount of damage.If you want to have a guaranteed kill on a spider queen you would need to use gunpowder but as it stands - gunpowder is always in extremely short supply. (I'd save all of mine for the Ancient Guardian anyways.)However it can be argued that you could see just how fast bees are at killing spider queens.Since each mine spawns 4 bees and each Bee has100 Health10 Damage2 Attack Period3 Attack Range Whilst the Queen has1250 Health80 Damage3 Attack Period5 Attack Range Not including all the spiders that almost always surround the queen, she'd be able to kill a bee in 2 hits. If she could even hit the bees before they kite away with their shorter attack period. (Though she has longer range.)The next question then becomes how fast would the queen die if every single bee were attacking it at once?How long is the attack period in actual seconds? 2 seconds? When I fight bees it sure doesn't feel like that!We'll say 2 seconds for the sake of argument then:1250 divided by 40 (Bees x Damage) x 2 (Seconds) should give us our answer for one Bee Mine to kill the queen if NONE of the Bees die.That's 31.25 x 2, which is 62.50. 1 Minute, two seconds and a half. Pretty fast, but this would only count if every bee were constantly attacking and not kiting away, which is normal bee behavior. We can't measure how long it would take in this case. My guess would be about 3x this - also if there are spiders guarding the queen the bees will die or not only attack the queen.Well lets amp up the number of bees, and say there were about 16 Bees, then lets say there were 28 Bees.1250 divided by 160 x 2 = 15.62515 seconds. That's pretty damn good for a bunch of bees.1250 divided by 280 x 2 = 8.928 seconds.Again the variables come into play with the spiders and such. If you have traps in large supply my suggestion is to set up traps in some far off area away from your base, bait the spider queen and her minions into following you - then take them to the traps. Let the spiders catch themselves in the traps, set up some Bee Mines and let the Queen figure out the rest. For safety sake I would take no less than 6 Bee mines with me for this endeavour as they would be able to kill the boss in a matter of seconds if every bee attacked her constantly at once.Good luck! You may want to find alternate methods of dealing with a queen though! ( Who has this many bug nets for Bee Mines?) Also I didn't read but you have to deal with 3 queens at once..? That's alot of Bee mines and traps. Well good luck if they're all after you at the same time and be careful!http://dont-starve-game.wikia.com/wiki/Spider_QueenAlso how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/#findComment-512793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klto Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 If you've read in the "Where can I find the gears" thread, you'll know that I died in Ruins and thus all of my important stuff are there. Problems go worse: I didn't eliminate the spider nest in the cave on time and thus it transforms into a spider queen. I remember that there are 2 more Tier3 dens and they probably will be queens soon enough. *headdesk* I should not be too curious about the cave.The question is the thread's name. How many bee mines should be used? Apart from spider queens, there also are itty bitty spider minions and Depth Worms. I probably wouldn't go back down there, you may die again, but as for the number of bees, it will take a lot of time to get enough to kill ONE spider queen, but THREE?! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/#findComment-512797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuGonce Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 It would be way more effective if you bring rock lobsters or bunnies with you. Just remeber to not bring meat, if you going to use bunnies, and to not leave the cave until you are sure the rock lobsters are not following you anymore (they breed like crazy on the surface and end up ruining the world).Or you could just ignore them, it's easy to run away as they are very slow. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/#findComment-512811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnkate Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 The answer to this question is hypothetical, as Bee Mines do not do a fixed amount of damage.If you want to have a guaranteed kill on a spider queen you would need to use gunpowder but as it stands - gunpowder is always in extremely short supply. (I'd save all of mine for the Ancient Guardian anyways.)However it can be argued that you could see just how fast bees are at killing spider queens.Since each mine spawns 4 bees and each Bee has100 Health10 Damage2 Attack Period3 Attack Range Whilst the Queen has1250 Health80 Damage3 Attack Period5 Attack Range Not including all the spiders that almost always surround the queen, she'd be able to kill a bee in 2 hits. If she could even hit the bees before they kite away with their shorter attack period. (Though she has longer range.)The next question then becomes how fast would the queen die if every single bee were attacking it at once?How long is the attack period in actual seconds? 2 seconds? When I fight bees it sure doesn't feel like that!We'll say 2 seconds for the sake of argument then:1250 divided by 40 (Bees x Damage) x 2 (Seconds) should give us our answer for one Bee Mine to kill the queen if NONE of the Bees die.That's 31.25 x 2, which is 62.50. 1 Minute, two seconds and a half. Pretty fast, but this would only count if every bee were constantly attacking and not kiting away, which is normal bee behavior. We can't measure how long it would take in this case. My guess would be about 3x this - also if there are spiders guarding the queen the bees will die or not only attack the queen.Well lets amp up the number of bees, and say there were about 16 Bees, then lets say there were 28 Bees.1250 divided by 160 x 2 = 15.62515 seconds. That's pretty damn good for a bunch of bees.1250 divided by 280 x 2 = 8.928 seconds.Again the variables come into play with the spiders and such. If you have traps in large supply my suggestion is to set up traps in some far off area away from your base, bait the spider queen and her minions into following you - then take them to the traps. Let the spiders catch themselves in the traps, set up some Bee Mines and let the Queen figure out the rest. For safety sake I would take no less than 6 Bee mines with me for this endeavour as they would be able to kill the boss in a matter of seconds if every bee attacked her constantly at once.Good luck! You may want to find alternate methods of dealing with a queen though! ( Who has this many bug nets for Bee Mines?) Also I didn't read but you have to deal with 3 queens at once..? That's alot of Bee mines and traps. Well good luck if they're all after you at the same time and be careful!http://dont-starve-game.wikia.com/wiki/Spider_QueenAlso how many licks does it take to get to the tootsie roll center of a tootsie pop?I plant spider dens near my own camp so I always have constant supply of silks (that's why I never worry about bug nets >_>)I'm not sure if I have to deal with 3 queens or not but at the very least one is blocking my only (very) narrow pathway to my Ruins entrance. I remember that there are 2 more Tier3s +1 Tier1 (after the queen is spawned). Life's pretty screwed for me when both my lantern and my miner's hat are down there ._. Thank you so much for your time to help calculate it for me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/#findComment-512887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnkate Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 It would be way more effective if you bring rock lobsters or bunnies with you. Just remeber to not bring meat, if you going to use bunnies, and to not leave the cave until you are sure the rock lobsters are not following you anymore (they breed like crazy on the surface and end up ruining the world).Or you could just ignore them, it's easy to run away as they are very slow.How do I use the rock lobsters? There's a lot down here. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/#findComment-512890 Share on other sites More sharing options...
the truthseeker Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Somebody make a Myth about this so we can submit it to Mythbusters; they'll figure it out! Jaime, it's Wintertime, so time for you to leave M5 Industries and return to MacTusk camp! How do I use the rock lobsters? There's a lot down here. Feed them minerals like you would pigs meat. Just remember NOT to take them to the surface while they are following you (without having a pen to keep them in ready if you do) or their asexual reproduction speed will make rabbit multiplication look like long division! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/#findComment-512898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnkate Posted July 19, 2014 Author Share Posted July 19, 2014 Ooh, thank you so much.How many of them should I need to put at least 3 Depth Worms which are bothering me away and then proceed to the queens? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/#findComment-512909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spencer320 Posted July 19, 2014 Share Posted July 19, 2014 Grab 3 or 4 Rock Lobsters. Help them out when you can. But for the most part let them do the heavy lifting. Best bet with the spider queens is to hang around them long enough to let them replant themselves. Think it's only 2 days before they find a new spot to plop. Stay out of her range so she doesn't agro on you. If I was you, I'd make a new miner hat to go down and get your stuff. Always good to have a backup anyway. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/#findComment-512937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auth Posted July 22, 2014 Share Posted July 22, 2014 Just camp in the cave for 2 days. They should just turn into tier 1 spider dens. No problem. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/#findComment-514240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karnkate Posted July 22, 2014 Author Share Posted July 22, 2014 3 queens as predicted now I decide to leave them be because they kill the worms for me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/38716-how-many-bee-mines-does-it-take-to-kill-3-spider-queens/#findComment-514393 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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