[Game Update] - 735984

[Jenny 05 Justic]

30 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

这说不通啊。想象一下，分解一个铥矿碎片，结果它变成了铥矿。这可是分解法杖，又不是建造法杖。

Yeah, at first glance it does feel really weird—how can you break a tiny fragment back into a whole, intact orb? But the truth is, this sort of counter-intuitive "deconstruction" has existed in Don't Starve for a long time. One Shroom Skin can be crafted into four Napsacks, and then deconstructing a Napsack gives you a full Shroom Skin again. One Scales can be made into four Scaled Flooring, and deconstructing one floor tile gives you the entire Scales back. The reason we never found that counter-intuitive before is because in those recipes, the raw material and the finished product look completely different. Players picture the crafting process as turning something into a refined, manufactured product, and the extra quantity you get is just seen as a "gameplay" bonus. But with the Portation Orb being crafted into orb fragments, it clearly violates that logic. The finished product literally looks like the raw material just broken apart, and the whole process happens on a Mill. That makes players imagine the crafting process much more literally, so deconstructing it back feels fundamentally wrong.

[Kondr_]

tiny-little update during this quiet weekend goes wild :^D

[AliceShiki]

For what it's worth, if Klei actually wants to make Orbs more easily obtainable in part 2, it actually makes sense to make them hard to obtain now.

Since like, people would definitely get frustrated and complain a lot if the way they used to use to get Orbs was nerfed with the release of Part 2, because they'd now have the intended way available.

Obviously I have no way of knowing if this is actually in Klei's plans, but if it is, this makes sense.

Edited June 8 by AliceShiki

[Uedo]

9 hours ago, yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy said:

I am unwilling to say this. Don't think people are blind or stupid. And I suppose this need not to be substantiated. It is unreasonable to feel relieved for a blurry plan and your own wishful thinking.

As I said, it is your freedom to ignore the detailed replies here. If you are really confident and brave enough, you won't pretend not to see Jenny and Cassilu's replies and keep calling those well-founded concerns and disagreement "sour grapes". DST will be a perfect game with your self-deceiving and empathy-lacking selective ignorance. 

Everyone looks forward to part 2, but not in your way.

Nope. If you're making a broad claim It needs to be substantiated - I wasn't making a demand, so feel free to not, but be aware that it makes your arguement look really emotive and not at all compelling.

You keep making broad claims all the way through, so i'm going to ask you to explain what you mean for what you're saying, point by point - as it feels like you're using strong language for effect, if you break down what you're saying there isn't really any point outside of your preferences again.


'I am unwilling to say this. Don't think people are blind or stupid. And I suppose this need not to be substantiated. It is unreasonable to feel relieved for a blurry plan and your own wishful thinking.'   <- I didn't make any of those claims, I asked you explain what you were talking about essentially, I don't have any wishful thinking really - stop being weird, we dont know each other and I never said any of that.

'As I said, it is your freedom to ignore the detailed replies here. If you are really confident and brave enough, you won't pretend not to see Jenny and Cassilu's replies and keep calling those well-founded concerns and disagreement "sour grapes". DST will be a perfect game with your self-deceiving and empathy-lacking selective ignorance. ' <- this is wild, I don't think you know what sour grapes means, it's not a judgement expression, it's a sympathetic expression, it means that sometimes things don't go the way we want and that's ok, it's just one of them. Also the sperging at the end this sentence is fine, say what you like, but i'm not deceiving myself and I literally don't know you, when you're asking me for empathy you're asking me to not have my views and just accept yours, I don't care if you're empathetic to my points, not in the way you mean - again, we don't know each other and it's not that deep.

'Everyone looks forward to part 2, but not in your way.' 
What's my way? Can you substantiate what you mean there? Also, everyone? Really? Got proof?

I think you just need to remember you're loved, I love you and you don't need to be so angry. Have a lovely week, angry-forumite!

7 hours ago, Pumking7 said:

Its a little bit silly to dismiss criticism

Absolutely - the quote you 'quoted' was me referencing posts V2C said about upcoming changes and future plans. I don't understand how I dismissed them, I think Klei clarified that now.

What you do mean? Can you show me where I'm dismissing it? I don't dev the game so, so it wouldn't be in my remit.

You guys need to learn that someone disagreeing isn't dismissal, be more confident in your views - Many people disagree with many things, you're kinda being unfair if you label them as 'dismissing' you, it puts too much ownus on someone else, just manage your own emotions and don't make someone else responsible for them

Edited June 8 by Uedo

[yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy]

1 hour ago, Uedo said:

think you just need to remember you're loved, I love you and you don't need to be so angry. Have a lovely week, angry-forumite!

Yeah, you too, dear Zote.

[Uedo]

38 minutes ago, yyyyyyyyyyyyyyy said:

Yeah, you too, dear Zote.

That's 'Mighty Zote' to you.

[Draggofroot]

19 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

do I A Fight several bosses, do some lengthy RPG style quest, obtain a very limited use teleport item from said bosses, rinse and repeat as necessary.

btw what does this mean? i see you say RPG style quest a lot but i lowk dont understand what you mean by this

19 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

OR… OR do I do like any sane logical person would do.. Craft a moon idol at the upgraded celestial portal and switch to a character who has a laughably easy teleportation ability/Network..?

Am I missing something important here? As long as the Upgraded Florid Postern exists and it’s as Easy as giving the Postern a Moon Idol to swap characters, what is the point of using any other method?

These are serious questions I’m not trying troll anyone.. I legitimately need to know.. are the orbs useable in an area of the game where character abilities aren’t? What’s the deal…

because I love Wormwood and i dont want to switch to wortox

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, Draggofroot said:

btw what does this mean? i see you say RPG style quest a lot but i lowk dont understand what you mean by this

because I love Wormwood and i dont want to switch to wortox

RPG stands for Role Playing Game, RPGs are known for having missions that are tediously long, such as fetch & collect quests or fighting a boss with ridiculous amounts of health for over 30 real life minutes. But I am still highly confused..

Character swapping is an extremely early game unlockable with a laughably easy cost, So I do not quite understand why there would even NEED to be ANY late game unlockable alternatives, and I most certainly do not understand why those late game alternatives have to be nerfed and limited into oblivion when characters like Wortox, Wanda, (WX78?) & Winona have Superior & much cheaper alternatives.

I can understand and respect your love for Wormwood but personally I can’t help but to think that if I needed to lug around “heavy structures” for base building in multiple areas around the map or something that I would swap to a character that’s easiest at doing it, or I’ll just use a Beefalo bell on a random Beefalo, slap a saddle on its back and have it carry the items for me.

Perhaps Klei will explain what it’s intended use for the beta items are later, but as of right now, I’m just going to switch to someone like Winona who gets to teleport to the location of her choosing at no cost whatsoever by hopping into a Wormhole.

[Draggofroot]

12 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

RPG stands for Role Playing Game, RPGs are known for having missions that are tediously long, such as fetch & collect quests or fighting a boss with ridiculous amounts of health for over 30 real life minutes. But I am still highly confused..

30 minutes gazzayumn what games are you playing lol

12 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Character swapping is an extremely early game unlockable with a laughably easy cost, So I do not quite understand why there would even NEED to be ANY late game unlockable alternatives, and I most certainly do not understand why those late game alternatives have to be nerfed and limited into oblivion when characters like Wortox, Wanda, (WX78?) & Winona have Superior & much cheaper alternatives.

I can understand and respect your love for Wormwood but personally I can’t help but to think that if I needed to lug around “heavy structures” for base building in multiple areas around the map or something that I would swap to a character that’s easiest at doing it, or I’ll just use a Beefalo bell on a random Beefalo, slap a saddle on its back and have it carry the items for me.

who knows, maybe some use for it will come up in the future, i myself see applications in mega bases, quick access to a pseudoscience station or when i need to go back home to retrieve/drop something

12 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Perhaps Klei will explain what it’s intended use for the beta items are later.

figure it out yourself, a sandbox game doesnt necessarily have intended uses (at least all the time)

[Jakepeng99]

Wes skilltree should let speedy balloon teleport players to any location nearby

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, Draggofroot said:

30 minutes gazzayumn what games are you playing lol

who knows, maybe some use for it will come up in the future, i myself see applications in mega bases, quick access to a pseudoscience station or when i need to go back home to retrieve/drop something

figure it out yourself, a sandbox game doesnt necessarily have intended uses (at least all the time)

See I can not say for 100% absolute certainty about this, but the developers have (in the past) confirmed that they don’t all work on the same project/content update (skill trees for example were handled by different devs) and I believe that because they have people spread out in different areas like that, that there may be cases where like with skill trees, one characters skill tree highly outperforms another’s for example.

And I’m just wondering if with some of the games Actual utility items like weapons, armors, or teleportation staffs/orbs etc what not if maybe a Dev who worked on making Winona’s teleport methods brain dead easy, did not get together with other Devs who say worked on Wanda’s teleport methods which require gathering resources from specific parts of the game and crafting them.

But until part two of this content update comes out and we hear directly from the dev team themselves what the intended purpose of the Orbs are, all anyone can do is guess why character X is better than late game item Y.

[00petar00]

20 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

It makes no sense. Imagine deconstructing a thulicite fragment and it becomes thulicite. It’s a deconstruction staff not a construction staff.

How can you make logical sense of magic? So we can duplicate shroom skin and scales because we use it to craft another item and players can be duped into thinking that it makes sense when it really doesn't. How do you explain that we are able to get 4 scales from 4 scaled flooring since it only requires one scale to craft 4 flooring?

There is nothing wrong with turning thulecite fragments into thulecite with magic.

[JazzyGames]

6 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

and players can be duped into thinking that it makes sense when it really doesn't

I see what you did there…