Who do you think would get the next skilltree

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On 5/9/2026 at 12:34 PM, Baark0 said:

If anything, other characters are just catching up to the nonsense Wanda has going on.

she was launched back when there isnt much character rework let alone skill trees

[MrsBoris]

Hot take: wanda needs a skill tree more than wickerbottom. Her intended playstyle is being a glass cannon DPS, and she is completely unviable against planar damage she has been outdated for 2 years already. Wicker doesn't even have an issue, just that maxwell can read her books, wanda is in shamble rn.

[Nikki Darks]

33 minutes ago, MrsBoris said:

Hot take: wanda needs a skill tree more than wickerbottom. Her intended playstyle is being a glass cannon DPS, and she is completely unviable against planar damage she has been outdated for 2 years already. Wicker doesn't even have an issue, just that maxwell can read her books, wanda is in shamble rn.

What is this mass psychosis on the forums about Wanda being bad? 

Oh she's not busted in 1% of the content, bad, buff pls, horrible character, unplayable.

B r o t h e r, w h a t?

[GrapeVruit]

1 hour ago, Nikki Darks said:

What is this mass psychosis on the forums about Wanda being bad? 

Oh she's not busted in 1% of the content, bad, buff pls, horrible character, unplayable.

B r o t h e r, w h a t?

Maybe not bad, I've seen some of my friends make her work in a post-rift world, but compared to the remaining characters, her kit just does not mesh well with rift content AT ALL.

Her main weapon, the Alarming Clock, becomes incredibly weak against most planar entities, forcing Wanda to use the shadow reaper in order to deal good damage, which is much riskier as you don't have the extended range of the clock to keep you safe. Being old is incredibly more risky, too, as most rift entities can one-shot you due to your low health and rift gear having 80% DR at most. Even then, the most you can hope to do against lunar mobs is 98 damage with a shadow reaper + cowl combo, which, while substantial, pales in comparison to the 142 damage achieved by the Alarming Clock against non-rift mobs and even less than other skill tree characters like Wolfgang, who, with all might perks and a maxed out lunar affinity, deals 164 damage with the same armor set! It pretty much means Wanda needs to forego one of her main gimmicks and stay young as often as possible in order to stand toe-to-toe with most threats, something I believe most Wanda players aren't too thrilled about.

As if that wasn't enough, her long range teleportation has been made much weaker due to certain skill trees. Wortox can teleport himself and others across the map at a much cheaper cost by killing small creatures like spiders and bees, Winona's Teletransport Station, while RNG dependent, allows her to teleport to-and-fro certain places across the map at the cost of nitre, nightmare fuel, or gems, and compared to farming walruses in winter, the gizmos needed for the structures can be acquired year around every 4 minutes, and even WX-78 with their mind transference skill, allowing them to travel large distances at the cost of a gear and a single red gem.

It's really crappy that Wanda players have to sit down while twiddling their thumbs, waiting for the day Klei finally gives them their skill tree which makes their character strong again, especially when she's a character you need to pay real money for! It's pretty ridiculous if you ask me.

Edited Monday at 08:06 PM by GrapeVruit

[Nikki Darks]

17 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

Maybe not bad, I've seen some of my friends make her work in a post-rift world, but compared to the remaining characters, her kit just does not mesh well with rift content AT ALL.

Her main weapon, the Alarming Clock, becomes incredibly weak against most planar entities, forcing Wanda to use the shadow reaper in order to deal good damage, which is much riskier as you don't have the extended range of the clock to keep you safe. Being old is incredibly more risky, too, as most rift entities can one-shot you due to your low health and rift gear having 80% DR at most. Even then, the most you can hope to do against lunar mobs is 98 damage with a shadow reaper + cowl combo, which, while substantial, pales in comparison to the 142 damage achieved by the Alarming Clock against non-rift mobs and even less than other skill tree characters like Wolfgang, who, with all might perks and a maxed out lunar affinity, deals 164 damage with the same armor set! It pretty much means Wanda needs to forego one of her main gimmicks and stay young as often as possible in order to stand toe-to-toe with most threats, something I believe most Wanda players aren't too thrilled about.

As if that wasn't enough, her long range teleportation has been made much weaker due to certain skill trees. Wortox can teleport himself and others across the map at a much cheaper cost by killing small creatures like spiders and bees, Winona's Teletransport Station, while RNG dependent, allows her to teleport to-and-fro certain places across the map at the cost of nitre, nightmare fuel, or gems, and compared to farming walruses in winter, the gizmos needed for the structures can be acquired year around every 4 minutes, and even WX-78 with their mind transference skill, allowing them to travel large distances at the cost of a gear and a single red gem.

It's really crappy that Wanda players need to sit down while twiddling their thumbs, waiting for Klei to give them their skill tree which finally makes their character strong again, especially when she's a character you need to pay real money for!

You wrote all of this just to end on a lie...? 



But sure, let's ignore the lie. The fact is that she's only "bad" in 1% of the ENTIRE game's content which is just... Not that big of a deal? She still has infinite revives for allies, teleports and self heals. She can still wear armour and use weapons other characters do. 

It's really not that bad, she's still good, just not in 1% of the game.

Also, just because other characters have teleports does not mean hers is suddenly "weak", it just means there's more teleports?

Wanda's teleport stayed the same iirc, it didn't get nerfed when Wortox got his.

[GrapeVruit]

20 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

You wrote all of this just to end on a lie...? 



But sure, let's ignore the lie. The fact is that she's only "bad" in 1% of the ENTIRE game's content which is just... Not that big of a deal? She still has infinite revives for allies, teleports and self heals. She can still wear armour and use weapons other characters do. 

It's really not that bad, she's still good, just not in 1% of the game.

Yes, you can get Wanda by weaving her with spools, but it still takes a good amount of time unraveling curios in order to unlock the character. Also, I feel like it's kind of crazy to say that rift content is 1% of the entire game when a majority of DST's updates these past 3 years have been focused on fleshing them out, so much so players have been asking for Klei to go back and add more content related to the early to mid-game. At this stage, it's basically half of the DST experience.

[Nikki Darks]

9 minutes ago, GrapeVruit said:

Yes, you can get Wanda by weaving her with spools, but it still takes a good amount of time unraveling curios in order to unlock the character. Also, I feel like it's kind of crazy to say that rift content is 1% of the entire game when a majority of DST's updates these past 3 years have been focused on fleshing them out, so much so players have been asking for Klei to go back and add more content related to the early to mid-game. At this stage, it's basically half of the DST experience.

Just because they put work on it does not mean it's suddenly a vast array of content, lol.

They made the content go from 0.5% to 1% of the entire content because of all of their updates.

[MrsBoris]

3 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

What is this mass psychosis on the forums about Wanda being bad? 

Oh she's not busted in 1% of the content, bad, buff pls, horrible character, unplayable.

You are disagreeing cuz you have a bias against wanda, but i'm not wrong, her glass cannon playstyle is unviable against planar damage and it has been outdated for 2 years already. Also, you keep repeating its "1%" of the content to reinforce your argument but its not 1%, theres 4 bosses, 10+ new creatures and 20+ new items, thats not 1% its the DST late game, which is like 30%? she falls of HARD into the lategame. Observation: Wolfgang is more busted than wanda even without his skill tree idgaf, he does as much damage as wanda but has a huge healthpool LOL.

Also my point was never how strong wanda is in general, just that she needs an update more than wicker, which i stand by, i had a 380 wicker world she is a VERY GOOD character, some of the most fun i had.

Edited Monday at 09:48 PM by MrsBoris

[Nikki Darks]

5 hours ago, MrsBoris said:

You are disagreeing cuz you have a bias against wanda, but i'm not wrong, her glass cannon playstyle is unviable against planar damage and it has been outdated for 2 years already. Also, you keep repeating its "1%" of the content to reinforce your argument but its not 1%, theres 4 bosses, 10+ new creatures and 20+ new items, thats not 1% its the DST late game, which is like 30%? she falls of HARD into the lategame. Observation: Wolfgang is more busted than wanda even without his skill tree idgaf, he does as much damage as wanda but has a huge healthpool LOL.

Also my point was never how strong wanda is in general, just that she needs an update more than wicker, which i stand by, i had a 380 wicker world she is a VERY GOOD character, some of the most fun i had.

I don't have a bias against Wanda...? What? Where did you get that from, lol?

Also, she's not JUST a glass cannon, she can revive allies, teleport them, she has better self healing than anyone else.

She just isn't as good of a fighter in the 1% of the game's content, she's incredibly strong everywhere else.

Wicker is also busted, very good character. (Albeit, there's no reason to play her instead of maxwell but that's unrelated)

[DimokKio]

19 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

I don't have a bias against Wanda...? What? Where did you get that from, lol?

Also, she's not JUST a glass cannon, she can revive allies, teleport them, she has better self healing than anyone else.

She just isn't as good of a fighter in the 1% of the game's content, she's incredibly strong everywhere else.

Wicker is also busted, very good character. (Albeit, there's no reason to play her instead of maxwell but that's unrelated)

I’m curios to hear your (and others users) thoughts on Warly, for example.

Here’s a take that I think needs to be read in full. I don't think Warly is a weak character. He’s highly specialized and focuses on one of the less widely utilized and useful parts of the game - cooking. Through his spices, he essentially turns cooking into an extension of DST's combat gameplay, which heavily relies on building farms for various ingredients rather than just binge eating one or two food sources until the end of the game.

My general opinion is this: Warly isn't weak; he’s a great character in his own niche. However, he’d be the absolute last character I’d ever play. In DST, I strictly follow a 'scavenge what you find' rule when it comes to food, and his ban on non-crockpot foods along with penalties for eating the same meal few times completely ruins that playstyle for me.

In my solo world, the most complex things I've ever cooked were Steamed Twigs when taming a beefalo, and Taffy for the Ancient Fuelweaver. The rest of the content I've cleared so far was done without using any complex food at all. For my farms, I started with spider dens scattered across different mini-bases, and later built a massive bee colony near my main base using every single beehive on the map. They produce 564 honey for me, which I harvest just once a year in winter. I couldn't even eat it all before it spoiled until I started converting it into Taffy.

Warly really needs a skill tree, but he actually needs more is a total rework of the entire cooking mechanic in the game, so players actually have a real incentive to build crop farms for high-tier dishes.

[Nikki Darks]

11 hours ago, DimokKio said:

I’m curios to hear your (and others users) thoughts on Warly, for example.

Here’s a take that I think needs to be read in full. I don't think Warly is a weak character. He’s highly specialized and focuses on one of the less widely utilized and useful parts of the game - cooking. Through his spices, he essentially turns cooking into an extension of DST's combat gameplay, which heavily relies on building farms for various ingredients rather than just binge eating one or two food sources until the end of the game.

My general opinion is this: Warly isn't weak; he’s a great character in his own niche. However, he’d be the absolute last character I’d ever play. In DST, I strictly follow a 'scavenge what you find' rule when it comes to food, and his ban on non-crockpot foods along with penalties for eating the same meal few times completely ruins that playstyle for me.

In my solo world, the most complex things I've ever cooked were Steamed Twigs when taming a beefalo, and Taffy for the Ancient Fuelweaver. The rest of the content I've cleared so far was done without using any complex food at all. For my farms, I started with spider dens scattered across different mini-bases, and later built a massive bee colony near my main base using every single beehive on the map. They produce 564 honey for me, which I harvest just once a year in winter. I couldn't even eat it all before it spoiled until I started converting it into Taffy.

Warly really needs a skill tree, but he actually needs more is a total rework of the entire cooking mechanic in the game, so players actually have a real incentive to build crop farms for high-tier dishes.

My opinion of Warly is that he's in the same boat as Wickerbottom.

Why play Warly instead of just making spiced foods, bundling them and swapping into someone else?

No reason to stay as Warly, he's all downsides. Unless you like playing the character, ofc.

[Mysterious box]

15 hours ago, DimokKio said:

I’m curios to hear your (and others users) thoughts on Warly, for example.

Here’s a take that I think needs to be read in full. I don't think Warly is a weak character. He’s highly specialized and focuses on one of the less widely utilized and useful parts of the game - cooking. Through his spices, he essentially turns cooking into an extension of DST's combat gameplay, which heavily relies on building farms for various ingredients rather than just binge eating one or two food sources until the end of the game.

My general opinion is this: Warly isn't weak; he’s a great character in his own niche. However, he’d be the absolute last character I’d ever play. In DST, I strictly follow a 'scavenge what you find' rule when it comes to food, and his ban on non-crockpot foods along with penalties for eating the same meal few times completely ruins that playstyle for me.

In my solo world, the most complex things I've ever cooked were Steamed Twigs when taming a beefalo, and Taffy for the Ancient Fuelweaver. The rest of the content I've cleared so far was done without using any complex food at all. For my farms, I started with spider dens scattered across different mini-bases, and later built a massive bee colony near my main base using every single beehive on the map. They produce 564 honey for me, which I harvest just once a year in winter. I couldn't even eat it all before it spoiled until I started converting it into Taffy.

Warly really needs a skill tree, but he actually needs more is a total rework of the entire cooking mechanic in the game, so players actually have a real incentive to build crop farms for high-tier dishes.

Personally my entire issue with Warly is him needing to do farming to reach his full potential because at the end of the day I don't particularly enjoy farming.

[Baark0]

For me it's a 3 way tie between Wickerbottom, Warly, and Webber. Of the 6 characters without a skill tree, they're the ones who need it the most (Wes doesn't count because to me he's intended to be bad).

Wickerbottom is the best of these characters, however she needs something to make her worth playing and not just being a swap bot for Maxwell, though I personally wouldn't mind if Maxwell lost the ability to read Wicker's books. There's no good reason for Maxwell to essentially be 2 characters in one, especially when he has the ability to stunlock nearly every and any enemy in the game. It'd also be cool to see her get something unrelated to books, however considering her whole shtick is being a librarian I'm not exactly sure what that could look like.

Warly is honestly not that bad, and I feel like most people who say he's bad haven't actually played him and used his unique cooking dishes aside from volt goat jelly. Asparagazpacho and hot dragon chili salad are quite potent options for staying cool/warm respectively, fish cordon bleu is amazing for spring/winter cave fights, glow berry mousse gives you 2 days of light for a very simple recipe, grim galette is the strongest healing item in the late game, completely restoring your health while you wear a enlightened crown with 5 celestial jewels in it, plus it has some nice synergy with Wormwood and Wortox, and moqueca restores a ton of stats across the board, and its a pretty easy recipe to mass produce as long as you have a lot of fish lying around. The biggest issue Warly has that he needs to farm crops in order to access a lot of his really good dishes, so if there's anything I'd like to see in his skill tree, it'd be some buffs to his farming abilities. Letting other characters use his portable crock pots would also be really nice, you'd just have to restrict the cooking of Warly's special dishes to Warly himself, which I think is fine if it makes the kitchen more convenient for both Warly and his teammates.

Webber is the most fine out of the 3, the main issues he has are spiders being poorly optimized and tanking the server, and spiders getting wiped out by any half decent source of AoE damage. The latter of which is kind of the weakness of spiders, and I don't think that should be removed. More control over your spiders would be nice to see, similar to what Wendy got. Things like tamed spiders no longer eating food off the ground and being able to change their target mid combat would be cool to see. Something to do with spider queens would be cool too, as they're currently really annoying and don't serve much other purpose other than to clog your world with near useless spider hats, which are only really good for making spiders kill other spider queens. I expect for his affinities to introduce lunar and shadow spiders, however shattered spiders already exist so I'm curious as to what that might look like.

[DimokKio]

8 hours ago, Nikki Darks said:

My opinion of Warly is that he's in the same boat as Wickerbottom.

Why play Warly instead of just making spiced foods, bundling them and swapping into someone else?

No reason to stay as Warly, he's all downsides. Unless you like playing the character, ofc.

With that kind of philosophy, all characters become useless, because you could just set up the necessary structures for anyone and go roll as Wilson. Also, comparing Wickerbottom to Warly is quite a stretch, to say the least. Especially since Wickerbottom is one of the strongest characters in the game (if not the strongest overall) and it's going to be hard to convince me otherwise.

[Nikki Darks]

1 hour ago, DimokKio said:

With that kind of philosophy, all characters become useless, because you could just set up the necessary structures for anyone and go roll as Wilson. Also, comparing Wickerbottom to Warly is quite a stretch, to say the least. Especially since Wickerbottom is one of the strongest characters in the game (if not the strongest overall) and it's going to be hard to convince me otherwise.

Are you purposefully ignoring the point or is this ragebait?

There's no reason to continue playing Wickerbottom after making her books and bookshelf because Maxwell uses them more efficiently than her.

There's no reason to continue playing Warly after spicing up and bundling all the food because other characters (besides Wes) use those advantages way better than he does.

You must be purposefully ignoring how the game and characters work, there's no way you are this oblivious to it, lol.

I clearly specified it's about their specific perks, not general capabilities shared between the characters.

[DimokKio]

1 hour ago, Baark0 said:

Wickerbottom is the best of these characters, however she needs something to make her worth playing and not just being a swap bot for Maxwell, though I personally wouldn't mind if Maxwell lost the ability to read Wicker's books. There's no good reason for Maxwell to essentially be 2 characters in one, especially when he has the ability to stunlock nearly every and any enemy in the game. It'd also be cool to see her get something unrelated to books, however considering her whole shtick is being a librarian I'm not exactly sure what that could look like.

I honestly don't get the point of comparing Wickerbottom and Maxwell. Sure, he can read her books, but how is he supposed to craft them? The argument that 'you can just swap characters' applies to everyone, which would make every character useless anyway.

Plus, I'm pretty sure Maxwell won't be able to read books that Wickerbottom unlocks through her skill tree. On top of that, she will likely get reading bonuses like extra or new effects, more charges, massive durability restoration, and stuff like that.

1 hour ago, Baark0 said:

Warly is honestly not that bad, and I feel like most people who say he's bad haven't actually played him and used his unique cooking dishes aside from volt goat jelly. Asparagazpacho and hot dragon chili salad are quite potent options for staying cool/warm respectively, fish cordon bleu is amazing for spring/winter cave fights, glow berry mousse gives you 2 days of light for a very simple recipe, grim galette is the strongest healing item in the late game, completely restoring your health while you wear a enlightened crown with 5 celestial jewels in it, plus it has some nice synergy with Wormwood and Wortox, and moqueca restores a ton of stats across the board, and its a pretty easy recipe to mass produce as long as you have a lot of fish lying around. The biggest issue Warly has that he needs to farm crops in order to access a lot of his really good dishes, so if there's anything I'd like to see in his skill tree, it'd be some buffs to his farming abilities. Letting other characters use his portable crock pots would also be really nice, you'd just have to restrict the cooking of Warly's special dishes to Warly himself, which I think is fine if it makes the kitchen more convenient for both Warly and his teammates.

Our positions are actually pretty similar, even though we both phrased the same basic idea in our own way.

1 hour ago, Baark0 said:

Webber

Alright, I'm gonna stop you right there. With all due respect, your take on Webber is extremely typical of someone who barely played him and, at most, watched a guide by some YouTuber who also has barely any playtime on him just slightly more than you. No judgment if you haven't really touched Webber, but let me try to explain each of your takes one by one.

1 hour ago, Baark0 said:

the main issues he has are spiders being poorly optimized and tanking the server

I'm about to state the obvious, but any mob in large numbers lags the server. It’s just that with spiders, doing this is much easier and way more practical. Think about it: a hundred pigs equals 5 stacks of meat, while a hundred spiders is only about one and a half stacks. A hundred pigs requires a hundred pig houses. A hundred spiders requires just twelve tier 3 dens - or in spring, only 9 tier 3 dens plus one extra spider wandering around.

1 hour ago, Baark0 said:

spiders getting wiped out by any half decent source of AoE damage. The latter of which is kind of the weakness of spiders, and I don't think that should be removed.

I also agree that regular spiders should keep their vulnerability to AOE damage. If we are to counter it, it should require way more effort than just trading 60 spiders for a stack of meat. For example, having a single, hard-to-get, but extremely powerful spider. On the other hand, we already have Nurse Spiders with solid AOE healing. Even if we put them aside, I once killed Klaus as Webber using just one Nurse Spider and a small pack of regular and Warrior spiders and most of them actually survived. This smoothly brings me to the next two takes, because they, along with this one, already have a solution in the game.

 

2 hours ago, Baark0 said:

Things like tamed spiders no longer eating food off the ground and being able to change their target mid combat would be cool to see.

Let's start with this. Spiders can already be stopped from eating food off the ground by using the Webby Whistle. By the way, the whistle is exactly how I killed Klaus - a boss with freezing AOE, burning AOE, and even more AOE in his second phase.

3 hours ago, Baark0 said:

More control over your spiders would be nice to see,

You can also control them a bit with the whistle. By the way, what do you think of this idea?

[TOYS/CRAFT]

Skill 1:

Unlocks Luxury Webby Whistle and Luxury Shoo Box crafts.

Luxury Webby Whistle has increased durability and range than the standard version ([PERHAPS]: the tool will never break).

Right-clicking opens the action wheel for advanced spider control.

(Whistle Interface)

(Whistle Step Diagram and Explanation)

Step 1: You choose the spiders you want to use. (Clicking the "All" option applies the following steps to all tamed spiders).

Step 2: Choose which attacks the spiders will use regardless of distance or situation.

• Default Mode: Behavior remains unchanged. Spiders use all attacks as usual. [PERHAPS]: After pressing, instead of the ordered attack, the spiders will move to the location selected in step 3.
• Melee Mode: Only bites are used.
• Range Mode: All ranged attacks are used (Jumping at the target, spitting).
• Ability Mode: Spiders use their abilities (Cave spiders hide under their shells, Shattered spiders release spikes, Nurses activate healing).

Step 3: Selects where the spiders will apply the action selected in step 2.

• None: Spiders simply switch fight tactics without quickly using attacks. [PERHAPS]: After pressing it together with Default Mode in step 2, the selected spiders stop attacking, as after pressing the normal whistle, and run towards the player.
• Cursor: Quickly apply selected attacks to the location marked by the cursor.
• At one place: Spiders act instantly without changing location.

 Alt + Right Click: Quick cast with default whistle effect without action wheel

 

Luxury Shoo Box has increased durability and range than the standard version ([PERHAPS]: the tool will never break).

Right-clicking opens the action wheel for advanced spider control.

(Shoo Box Interface)

(Shoo Box Step Diagram and Explanation)

Step 1: You choose the spiders you want to use. (Clicking the "All" option applies the following steps to all tamed spiders).

Step 2: The player selects a command for a specific type of stop following him.

• Stay at one point: The player can use the cursor to select a place where the spiders will stand and will not run away or follow him. (Spiders remain tame)
• Finish hire: standard shoo box effect (If the selected spiders were previously given the command to stay in place, then they will stand/lie in the same place untamed)

3 hours ago, Baark0 said:

Something to do with spider queens would be cool too, as they're currently really annoying and don't serve much other purpose other than to clog your world with near useless spider hats, which are only really good for making spiders kill other spider queens. I expect for his affinities to introduce lunar and shadow spiders, however shattered spiders already exist so I'm curious as to what that might look like.

Overall, yeah, I'm also looking forward to all of that and the other things you mentioned. If you have some time, would you mind checking out my concept? There's a lot of stuff there, and I’d really appreciate some feedback.

But honestly, there's one thing I just don't get. There are people claiming that Webber is weak and that you should play [Insert any character name, even Wes] instead because they're better than him at everything. Yet, at the same time, people on this forum are least interested in getting a skill tree for him, choosing to prioritize characters who, by their own admission, are already stronger and more useful than Webber. Can anyone explain this logic to me?

Personally, I look at it from the opposite perspective: Webber is an enjoyable character with rich gameplay and cozy survival, and fighting bosses with him is pure fun and joy. He needs a skill tree so that when people look through it, they run into things they didn't know or notice before. That way, they won't build a shallow opinion about the character while completely ignoring the existence of his core starter items.

 

[DimokKio]

1 hour ago, Nikki Darks said:

There's no reason to continue playing Wickerbottom after making her books and bookshelf because Maxwell uses them more efficiently than her.

Personally, I think playing Wickerbottom makes total sense, if only because you don't have to wait for book cooldowns or swap characters every time you need to craft new ones. Plus, running around with Wes's health bar, on top of all Maxwell's other traits, can easily lead to accidents, especially in the endgame.

Also, what do you even mean by 'uses them more efficiently'? Does he break books slower, consume less sanity, or get a bigger effect when holding them? As far as I know, he uses them exactly the same way Wickerbottom does. Sure, he can sleep to recover, but that's a double-edged sword - Wickerbottom literally can't be put to sleep into a stun lock, making her way less vulnerable.

You are literally the first person in my life to say 'Wickerbottom is useless because Maxwell exists'.

1 hour ago, Nikki Darks said:

There's no reason to continue playing Warly after spicing up and bundling all the food because other characters (besides Wes) use those advantages way better than he does.

If you mean that other characters become stronger than Warly himself thanks to his spice buffs, then yeah, that's true. But I have just one question: do you actually know how much spiced food you need to consistently benefit from Warly throughout the entire game?

The whole point of picking him is knowing you'll always have access to spices or his high-tier food. Plus, in my opinion, carrying a portable crock pot around is way better than constantly running back to base just to whip something up especially if your food is running low or spoiling, and the base is far away.

1 hour ago, Nikki Darks said:

I clearly specified it's about their specific perks, not general capabilities shared between the characters.

Yeah, but you're completely devaluing their unique abilities by saying there's no point playing a character for long when you can just craft their perks, swap to someone else, and still use their benefits. It sounds way easier on paper than it actually is. Besides team-wide utility items that give value to any character, there are smaller things like stat differences, or even completely non-obvious mechanics.

My original point was that you can say that about literally any character: 'Just pick them, play for a bit, craft their useful stuff, and swap to someone else.' Doing that is tedious, annoying, uninteresting, repetitive, and just plain boring. It completely strips away the joy of survival - which is the whole reason gamers log into the game in the first place.

1 hour ago, Nikki Darks said:

Are you purposefully ignoring the point or is this ragebait?

There's no reason to continue playing Wickerbottom after making her books and bookshelf because Maxwell uses them more efficiently than her.

There's no reason to continue playing Warly after spicing up and bundling all the food because other characters (besides Wes) use those advantages way better than he does.

You must be purposefully ignoring how the game and characters work, there's no way you are this oblivious to it, lol.

I clearly specified it's about their specific perks, not general capabilities shared between the characters.

And there's one more thing that has been bothering me for a while, and I’ve actually asked about it before. What do you think about the necessity of skill trees in the context of a new game coming out? Do you feel like it's all pointless now, or is there still hope that skill trees will help characters shine in a completely new way?

[Tigris Nano]

4 hours ago, DimokKio said:

I'm about to state the obvious, but any mob in large numbers lags the server.

Incorrect. Killer bees, for example, dont have absurd checks for every entity (no, not just items) to see if its edible or not. Hence why you can farm tons of those and server wont have any noticeable lag spikes.

[Baark0]

8 hours ago, DimokKio said:

With that kind of philosophy, all characters become useless, because you could just set up the necessary structures for anyone and go roll as Wilson. Also, comparing Wickerbottom to Warly is quite a stretch, to say the least. Especially since Wickerbottom is one of the strongest characters in the game (if not the strongest overall) and it's going to be hard to convince me otherwise.

Except this isn't true, as many characters are required to be present to benefit from their perks. Only Willow can cast lunar/shadow flames, only WX can move shipping drones, only Wanda can use her teleportation watches to provide a few examples. Sure there are a handful of perks that can be fully utilized by other characters, but plenty of characters are needed for their perks. Saying every character is useless because of character swapping is a factually incorrect.

[Lumina]

12 hours ago, Baark0 said:

It'd also be cool to see her get something unrelated to books, however considering her whole shtick is being a librarian I'm not exactly sure what that could look like.

- Something related to befriending catcoon?

- Hushing on enemies to reduce their damages, maybe prevent some abilities for the honking/screaming ones

- Paper wrap that are low version of bundle wrap (one storage and doesn't slow perish as much), for carrying meat in cave without being annoyed by bunny and similar things?

- Maybe ability to make a comfortable chair that would have some nice perk, requiring a science level high enough that only her/someone boosted by her can make it? Can be tied to reading books by making reading books costing less sanity when done on a chair (would work well for some books, not so much for others, so not overpowered)

[Nikki Darks]

12 hours ago, DimokKio said:

Personally, I think playing Wickerbottom makes total sense, if only because you don't have to wait for book cooldowns or swap characters every time you need to craft new ones. Plus, running around with Wes's health bar, on top of all Maxwell's other traits, can easily lead to accidents, especially in the endgame.

Also, what do you even mean by 'uses them more efficiently'? Does he break books slower, consume less sanity, or get a bigger effect when holding them? As far as I know, he uses them exactly the same way Wickerbottom does. Sure, he can sleep to recover, but that's a double-edged sword - Wickerbottom literally can't be put to sleep into a stun lock, making her way less vulnerable.

You are literally the first person in my life to say 'Wickerbottom is useless because Maxwell exists'.

 

I never called Wickerbottom useless, all I said is that there is no point in playing her after making all of her books and her bookshelf.

Truth is that in almost EVERY single way, Maxwell is a better character than Wickerbottom, only thing worse is the hp, and not by that much.

Also, he uses books more efficiently because he has constant sanity regen and books make him lose more sanity which is objectively good for maxwell since it results in more nightmare fuel. They are perfect items for him.
 

Also, you won't need to craft new books as Maxwell if you just don't break them and let them regenerate durability in the bookshelf. Not rocket science.

Maxwell is just a miles better character than Wickerbottom, but he wouldn't be if only SHE could user HER OWN and ONLY ability.

[MrsBoris]

1 hour ago, Nikki Darks said:

all I said is that there is no point in playing her after making all of her books and her bookshelf

Thats why she needs a skill tree less than other characers, she doesn't have a flaw within herself, its just -maxwell can read her books- thats all, a single character in the game they can just remove the feature from. The skill tree will still be better than a quickfix for OBVIOUS reasons but other characters need a tree more in my opinion.

[Nikki Darks]

9 minutes ago, MrsBoris said:

Thats why she needs a skill tree less than other characers, she doesn't have a flaw within herself, its just -maxwell can read her books- thats all, a single character in the game they can just remove the feature from. The skill tree will still be better than a quickfix for OBVIOUS reasons but other characters need a tree more in my opinion.

Exactly, the character's abilities are fine as is, she just needs to be the only to use them.

I just want her to get a skill tree because I know Klei won't set aside less than a minute of their time to remove the "reader" tag from Maxwell.

[MrsBoris]

11 minutes ago, Nikki Darks said:

I just want her to get a skill tree because I know Klei won't set aside less than a minute of their time to remove the "reader" tag from Maxwell

yeah i also believe they won't do it lol, fair take

[Nikki Darks]

32 minutes ago, MrsBoris said:

yeah i also believe they won't do it lol, fair take

It's worse because if Wendy players complained about others being able to use Abigail, or if others could use BERNIE! or if other players could use Codex Umbra... The complaints would be endless and it would've been fixed 3 minutes after.