Bee Queen is the most well-designed boss that is not Ancient Fuelweaver

[FluffyBun]

Bee Queen exemplifies Dont Starve's approach to combat in a way that future bosses simply does not.

-> It relies on a new item, the Pan Flute, teaching players that additional items are important for progressio...never mind.

-> It teaches players to ration resources better, because flute usage essentially determines the length of the fight

-> The kiting pattern of Bee Queen is more than just hitting and running away

I would say that the only change I would ever make to Bee Queen is to add a Shadowcraft Plinth upgrade to the Pan Flute which makes it possible to refuel Pan Flutes with Nightmare Fuel. Perhaps with a cooldown to the refueling to prevent abuse.

[Ev1l]

26 minutes ago, FluffyBun said:

which makes it possible to refuel Pan Flutes

 

[Gashzer]

Disagree, bee queen should require you to recruit your own army of followers, then your followers fight the grumbles in a series of 1v1s, while allowing you to 1v1 bee queen.

Right now she is a mess that teachs you nothing but typing "how to cheese bee queen DST" into google.

[ExplodTallbirds]

5 hours ago, FluffyBun said:

 

-> The kiting pattern of Bee Queen is more than just hitting and running away

??no? there is no kiting pattern. bee queen Is just tanking  a boring 22k hp boss while occasionally using a pan flute or running from some angry bees then going back to tanking. Bq is not a well designed boss, honestly one of the worst designed.  the best non fuelweaver boss would probably be nightmare werepig 

[beyond human]

Bee queen battle is a nightmare for normal 1.0x characters who don't  have battle abilities. In that case, I prefer to play with Klaus more.

Edited 3 hours ago by beyond human

[Radicaljoe]

56 minutes ago, ExplodTallbirds said:

??no? there is no kiting pattern. bee queen Is just tanking  a boring 22k hp boss while occasionally using a pan flute or running from some angry bees then going back to tanking. Bq is not a well designed boss, honestly one of the worst designed.  the best non fuelweaver boss would probably be nightmare werepig 

I think it was sarcasm, though I am not quite sure. But the post seems like sarcasm about bq's design.

[Primalflower]

i understand it's satire but i don't really get what it's riffing off of, i've never seen a bee queen strategy that even really uses the pan flute? the earliest ones i can remember involved fences and stuff, and the newer ones involve the same ai manipulation as before but sharper tactics, minions, or character perks, never pan flute

[AliceShiki]

I have yet to try Bee Queen in a proper run, but I once tried her in controlled environment with Debug Console giving me all I wanted, like a Charged Elding Spear and a lot of Cobblestone Terrain surrounding the Giant Beehive.

It was actually pretty fun? Dunno, just having to manage my position to avoid the honey, and to find moments to hit the Bee Queen herself while also making sure to quickly kill the small bees with the Spear's charge was pretty fun, overall.

Would I have as much fun if I used a character without AoEs? Uhn... Probably not. I think it would have been a pain. I think I would have wanted followers or multiplayer to handle the small bees in that case, and I can't say I enjoy having followers at all, so... Yeah, Wilson VS Bee Queen (without friends) probably wouldn't have been fun to me.

Also unsure if I would have had proper fun without a huge Cobblestone Arena prepared in advance and stuff. Since the movement speed definitely mattered.

So well, I feel like Bee Queen... Can be fun in the right circumstances? It's definitely an old design that was made with multiplayer being assumed, which feels a bit weird when compared to current bosses that simply try to take multiplayer into account to some extent, but I feel like she can be fun.

Take that for what it is, I guess.

[Wawchik]

8 hours ago, FluffyBun said:

The kiting pattern of Bee Queen is more than just hitting and running away

It literally is hitting and running away, ESPECIALLY with the pan flute strategy 

This post might be sarcastic but it's not really clear. Anyway I think it's just a fact at this point that bee queen sucks 

Edited 1 hour ago by Wawchik

[Maxil20]

1 hour ago, Primalflower said:

i understand it's satire but i don't really get what it's riffing off of, i've never seen a bee queen strategy that even really uses the pan flute? the earliest ones i can remember involved fences and stuff, and the newer ones involve the same ai manipulation as before but sharper tactics, minions, or character perks, never pan flute

It used to be a tactic Glermz employed, where during the exploration phase he would get all of the mandrakes in the forest, convert them into pan flutes, and use them on bee queen (saving the last use on each, of course). You would spam it specifically on phase 2 to keep the grumbles asleep, as P2 has the least counterplay to grumbles (you can't kill off all but 1 like you can in P1, and she won't enrage them for you to bait them away from the queen like in P3-4).

I can't say I would use it myself (especially since there's no way to get the planted mandrakes back, and I like those : ( ), though given the realitive ease of renewing durability on pan flutes (you can effectively cycle out 4 flutes with about 1 green gem), it is a method that can be employed with some success, and I can see how some people would find use in the method if they didn't have an AOE method of dealing with Bee Queen and didn't want to employ celestial portal strats for solo runs.

Edited 35 minutes ago by Maxil20

[Hi.]

They should buff bq to have the same hp has misery toadstool and spawn 10x more grumbles. And maybe nerf jelly beans they are bit too op, maybe like 0.1hp a min.

[RubLog6]

God I was so annoyed yesterday. I brought tingle nodes, dread full set, 2 beekeeper hats. And it was still not enough armor for this pain in the neck boss