Is Webber useless for the franchise?

[DimokKio]

Watching the cinematics, I noticed that Webber is mostly an extra, a prop; Klei don't want to develop him or show him as an individual or his character in the cinematics. It's as if Webber simply exists, even though the cinematics somehow showed us that his father worked with Wagstaff, and the story of how he connected with the spider is left unexplained. It feels like he's unnecessary to the story.

I would like to know if Webber really has no place in Don't Starve or if he is still needed for the game.

[sealnados]

i imagine more will be revealed in the webber insight tree cinematic (if he gets a lore cinematic)

though it may be worth mentioning that some characters are in a similar boat

Edited April 10 by sealnados

[DimokKio]

2 minutes ago, sealnados said:

i imagine more will be revealed in the webber insight tree cinematic (if he gets a lore cinematic)

though it may be worth mentioning that some characters are in a similar boat

I don't think a skill tree will help. Because cinematics with skill trees don't reveal the lore, and this can be easily proven by watching any cinematic about skill trees.

[-Nick-]

I mean Walter exists and Id argue he is more unnecessary to the story lol.

[Dr. Safety]

They did the same thing with Maxwell for the longest time. Pretty sure he was only in one DST cinematic before his rework. It just happens sometimes

[DimokKio]

13 minutes ago, Dr. Safety said:

They did the same thing with Maxwell for the longest time. Pretty sure he was only in one DST cinematic before his rework. It just happens sometimes

I mean, Webber's individuality isn't shown at all. He's kind of lumped in with a bunch of other kids, even though other kids are thrown in quietly in trailers and unrelated cinematics. He's never been featured in a single serious trailer.

[BeeClops]

yes, but not limited to the franchise, just in general

[PunkShark]

There's a lot of characters, and some of em are bound to be sidelined when making cinematics. They'll appear occasionally, but Webber isn't the only one in this instance. 
characters like Wickerbotom, Wortox, Wanda, doesn't really get shown a lot either. And that's just how it is. Some of em just aren't nearly as important. But they appear occasionally as does Webber. 

[DimokKio]

27 minutes ago, PunkShark said:

There's a lot of characters, and some of em are bound to be sidelined when making cinematics. They'll appear occasionally, but Webber isn't the only one in this instance. 
characters like Wickerbotom, Wortox, Wanda, doesn't really get shown a lot either. And that's just how it is. Some of em just aren't nearly as important. But they appear occasionally as does Webber. 

It is understandable, I understand that ncluding every character in a cinematic won't work, the crux of the matter is how, with the huge amount of art, the fact that Webber's skill tree is more anticipated than the rest, the frequency of his appearance in the menu interface, the collaboration with CotL in which he is the only survivor who got into the game, the huge amount of merch, skins, all those Chekhov’s guns in his cinematic that still haven't gone off, contrasts with the lack of his role in the plot or at least the disclosure of his own history, mutation or connection with Waggstaff, and in the end with at least a depiction of his everyday life or with other survivors. The question "Is Webber useless for the franchise?" arose precisely because of this contradiction.

[Mysterious box]

8 hours ago, -Nick- said:

I mean Walter exists and Id argue he is more unnecessary to the story lol.

Lore wise he's kinda more important than many others due to his potential for spreading myths of the world. For example while we don't know if it's true or not he's the only source of information about how Woodie became a werebeaver. Most of the rest of the cast has little story significance with many just being relevant because someone their blood related to is someone important, their family has a loose connection, or they've met Maxwell at some point when he was in control.

[ZeRoboButler]

We tend to see a lot of who wagstaff directly effects and who he effects by association or accident. 

Wx, Wilson - Direct effect, Wagstaff is still influencing Wilson and perhaps even Wx now, these two are pretty crucial. Webber was never intended to turn into a spider, but it happened. (or I guess merge, since they are both still thinking and sharing thoughts with one another, really putting the "We" in Webber)

Come to think of it, who is to say Wagstaff would even recognize webber? His own parents didn't so it's clearly a tragic tale with multiple layers of confusion because of webber's disappearance. Then again... Wagstaff is anything but stupid, outrageously ambitious? Yes, very much so but not stupid, he may even know that webber is important some how.

Long story short, all the character are tools for story telling, it isn't that webber is unimportant it's just that they have yet to explore (with us anyhow) how webber furthers the story or how crucial they are. I get it, I mean I love warly, but his involvement is a total toss up, at least webber has a tie in to wagstaff, guaranteeing that he is of significance to some one.

Some characters get caught up in things they don't fully understand, Webber, Warly and perhaps to an extent willow and walter too.

Man... poor woodie... "what's your story?" followed by "L U M B E R J A C K" and "cursed to be a beaver-goose-moose... oh and my axe talks to me"  

 

[DimokKio]

12 hours ago, ZeRoboButler said:

We tend to see a lot of who wagstaff directly effects and who he effects by association or accident. 

Wx, Wilson - Direct effect, Wagstaff is still influencing Wilson and perhaps even Wx now, these two are pretty crucial. Webber was never intended to turn into a spider, but it happened. (or I guess merge, since they are both still thinking and sharing thoughts with one another, really putting the "We" in Webber)

Come to think of it, who is to say Wagstaff would even recognize webber? His own parents didn't so it's clearly a tragic tale with multiple layers of confusion because of webber's disappearance. Then again... Wagstaff is anything but stupid, outrageously ambitious? Yes, very much so but not stupid, he may even know that webber is important some how.

Long story short, all the character are tools for story telling, it isn't that webber is unimportant it's just that they have yet to explore (with us anyhow) how webber furthers the story or how crucial they are. I get it, I mean I love warly, but his involvement is a total toss up, at least webber has a tie in to wagstaff, guaranteeing that he is of significance to some one.

Some characters get caught up in things they don't fully understand, Webber, Warly and perhaps to an extent willow and walter too.

Man... poor woodie... "what's your story?" followed by "L U M B E R J A C K" and "cursed to be a beaver-goose-moose... oh and my axe talks to me"  

 

Do you think Klei will reveal Webber's lore to us and if so, when do you think it’ll happen?

[DimokKio]

 

Also everyone’s going to be so sad if Webber is not added to DSE

[GamePlayer42]

webber will be useful for the franchise, im hopeful!

[ZeRoboButler]

17 hours ago, DimokKio said:

Do you think Klei will reveal Webber's lore to us and if so, when do you think it’ll happen?

Oh absolutely, Webber's story is inherently too tragic not explore. Not to mention their significance as both, evidence of Wagstaff's experiments and how far or wrong they could go, but also how each character connects to the overall story.

Each character either has a connection to Wagstaff, Charlie or Maxwell in some way, each connection to said characters explains more and more.

We know Winona was his employee, Wx a fellow scientist and colleague, Wilson a potentially convenient tool for investigating the constant from the inside (possibly watching him the whole time) and webber, who has a connection via his father's studies into from the looks of it chemistry and Entomology (the study of bugs or insects).

Now, Klei has a habit of placing things very VERY deliberately when it comes to lore implications, there are so many things that could be potential explanations for why Wagstaff -

• specifically went to Webber's father of all people to help him study the spider
• had his face obscured in the animation, Webber did as well, possible way of hiding both Webber's appearance and showing their may be a relationship between the two on a family level? (also, does webber's dad remind anyone of wilson? Webber's hair also has a similar look to wagstaff's hair)

Hard to know exactly when they will use webber narratively, but if I had to guess, it's got to be coming up soon. Family is a big theme in don't starve together, just as much as shadows are and ancient civilizations. 

     

[Cruvimaster]

Webber is a DLC character (R&G). In theory, he has the same importance as Walani or Wilba. Wigfrid is also from the same DLC, but she became huge within the franchise, but Webber is far from having the same charisma as the redhead.

[ZeRoboButler]

36 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

Webber is a DLC character (R&G). In theory, he has the same importance as Walani or Wilba. Wigfrid is also from the same DLC, but she became huge within the franchise, but Webber is far from having the same charisma as the redhead.

This doesn't really make much sense to be fair, Walani has virtually no lore outside of the fact she may have been one of woodlegs crew possibly, where as Wilba has the same importance as Wurt, an outlier in the constant as well as their respective people pigs and merms alike.

In Dst Webber isn't a dlc character at all and neither is warly but both of them are still present, the correlation that because they are DLC or where at some point doesn't really have any merit when discussing their lore implications. 

Some characters have been left behind, but it's more than likely because It didn't make sense to port over survivors with designs that would not function very well in dst, or they didn't have great ways to alter their designs for dst and fit them in. Wormwood made sense since they had relation to alter and moon magic, Warly was an odd one who's main relation to the story is the theme of family that is constantly present and each survivors (from outside the constant) having a desire they wish to have fulfilled.

Helping sick mothers, finding lost kin, unraveling secrets of the world, being able to return home, being in the spotlight and ambitions that get out of control. Woodlegs, walani, wilbur and wilba don't make to much sense to bring over or mention because they are right where they belong. Wheeler too to an extent, she's and adventurer so no doubt she doesn't stay in one place for long.  

Elsewhere has got me frantic paying attention to lore, I got to chill out a bit lol.

 

[DimokKio]

4 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Webber is a DLC character (R&G). In theory, he has the same importance as Walani or Wilba. Wigfrid is also from the same DLC, but she became huge within the franchise, but Webber is far from having the same charisma as the redhead.

To be fair, both Webber and Wigfrid can be seen as DLC characters, but Reign of Giants (RoG) is such a base part of the game that DST simply wouldn't exist without it. Everything added in RoG is considered a core part of the original Together now.

As for the characters from other DLCs who didn't make the cut, I think it's mostly about the difficulty of adapting their gameplay: Walani - her surfboard mechanic just doesn't fit the new sea system, where we have large floating platforms instead of individual rafts. Wilba - She isn't there because the pigs in DST aren't as civilized, smart, or mechanically complex as they are in Hamlet (and that's actually a compliment - DST pigs are as primitive as they were in the classic DS).

Why are Warly and Wormwood in DST? Because their mechanics are universal. Everyone wants to eat gourmet food, and Wormwood’s planting abilities were perfectly expanded during the gardening rework. Webber and Wigfrid fit into DST so easily because they come from a DLC that is, again, part of the foundation. RoG introduced spring, summer, seasonal bosses, wetness mechanic and many others (and it even released before DST). They are basically part of the original DST roster at this point.

Regarding Webber's charisma: it's just different from Wigfrid's theatrical and battle glory vibe. His charisma is about the harmony between two conflicting natures - spider and human. It's about being hated for your outward appearance but refusing to lose your soul, and even doubling your inner world by merging it with your new spider side. It's about showing kindness to others (whether they are humans or monsters) and being genuinely good-hearted toward everyone and life itself, even toward your enemies and your own hard destiny.

 

[Dr. Safety]

7 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

Webber is a DLC character (R&G). In theory, he has the same importance as Walani or Wilba. Wigfrid is also from the same DLC, but she became huge within the franchise, but Webber is far from having the same charisma as the redhead.

Since him and Wigfrid are considered base game characters as of DST, I think that they are both important