dooces Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 what about how the sap drops in the console log seems to speed up, or has something to do with how fast you click or how much you click on the moon to go back and forth. the hourglass is always 5s intervals, but the sap intervals seem to be able to go up much faster - VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.092s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.092s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.125s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.125s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.062s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.062s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.282s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.282s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.140s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.140s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.172s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.172s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.093s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.093s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.093s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.093s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.155s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.155s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.077s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.077s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.233s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.233s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.016s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.016s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlooooomerBzzt Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 4 minutes ago, dooces said: what about how the sap drops in the console log seems to speed up, or has something to do with how fast you click or how much you click on the moon to go back and forth. the hourglass is always 5s intervals, but the sap intervals seem to be able to go up much faster - VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.092s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.092s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.125s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.125s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.062s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.062s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.282s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.282s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.140s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.140s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.172s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.172s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.093s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.093s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.093s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.093s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.155s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.155s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.077s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.077s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.233s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.233s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM3212:55 [Δ any→sap] 0.016s VM3212:56 [Δ sap] 0.016s since last sap VM3212:90 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 I think the sap countdown is going down in the same pattern as the previous fire/hourglass countdown? They all went 1 (0.97) 0.96 0.9 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooces Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 6 minutes ago, GlooooomerBzzt said: I think the sap countdown is going down in the same pattern as the previous fire/hourglass countdown? They all went 1 (0.97) 0.96 0.9 not the numbers themselves, the timing of the console update can be manipulated by clicking the moon - notice how it starts with 2 drop countdowns between hourglass (5s) intervals? hourglass is seemingly locked to only update the console every 5s, the sap drip count can update many more times between hourglass updates Hourglass countdown: 0.52 VM8869:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8872:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8874:1 Hourglass countdown: 0.52 VM8876:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8879:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8880:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8881:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8882:1 Hourglass countdown: 0.52 VM8883:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8884:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8885:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8886:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8887:1 Hourglass countdown: 0.52 VM8888:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8889:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8890:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8893:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8894:1 Hourglass countdown: 0.52 VM8895:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8896:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8897:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8898:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8899:1 Hourglass countdown: 0.52 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839702 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nedigo Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 The hourglass timer is almost at 0.5 already, so we can expect it to be over by tomorrow at the same time the other timers finished. Considering the hourglass timer started both times we got "lore interaction" klei points, I think it's safe to say we've completed all the was to do for now. Tomorrow something will change in some way and we'll get new hints as to what to do next to unlock more panels. The wiggles above the apple look like an "m" and a "v" to me. Perhaps more panels will have more letters. If the waveform in the sound is legit, it'll probably need more letters to be completed too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sustenance Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 (edited) 26 minutes ago, dooces said: not the numbers themselves, the timing of the console update can be manipulated by clicking the moon - notice how it starts with 2 drop countdowns between hourglass (5s) intervals? hourglass is seemingly locked to only update the console every 5s, the sap drip count can update many more times between hourglass updates Hourglass countdown: 0.52 VM8869:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8872:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8874:1 Hourglass countdown: 0.52 VM8876:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8879:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8880:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8881:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8882:1 Hourglass countdown: 0.52 VM8883:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8884:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8885:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8886:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8887:1 Hourglass countdown: 0.52 VM8888:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8889:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8890:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8893:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8894:1 Hourglass countdown: 0.52 VM8895:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8896:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8897:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8898:1 Sap drip countdown: 0.9 VM8899:1 Hourglass countdown: 0.52 sap drip only counts if you're on the night side and will log to the console every time you swap to night Edited October 10, 2025 by Sustenance Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clopsy627 Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 On 10/9/2025 at 1:34 PM, DSTUser said: cant wait for enlightened wagstaff to jumpscare me at 0 Honestly a enlightened wagstaff would be terrifying because of what horrors he could create with so much information i mean just look at what he created without enlightenment Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839705 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sustenance Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 oh it actually starts an additional sap counter or something every time you swap to night. thats very weird. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839706 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dooces Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 18 minutes ago, Sustenance said: sap drip only counts if you're on the night side and will log to the console every time you swap to night sure, but thats not what im saying. clikcing on the speech bubble will make him play a sound as long as you stay on that screen for the first time or its your first time on that screen playing the sound, then click the moon like 20 times fast, (or 1 time, idc) then end on the night side, you'll see it'll continue with an increased number of sap drips while staying on the night side, and the sound wont play anymore. im guessing it'll play again when the pattern is right or something new will play or something. but you can definately get the sap drip update in the console to tick much more often between the hourglass ticks, and at specific intervals. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839710 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 1 hour ago, jgog8 said: "-..-" -> "X" On the keyboard we have "Wagstaff" frame 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nogitsune Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 8 hours ago, hhhhddh said: you just, literally disconnected, cause mine is still counting down Ok, but where am I disconnected? I'm logged in on steam, klei account and have linked on twitch. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Starver Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 3 hours ago, Ridley said: We are familiar with the little squiggles on the Voxola radio and the Voxola factory that resembles the radios, but why does Wagstaff use them as a sign to his office? This sign doesn't seem to signify anything, yet Wagstaff took the time scribble it and hang it up. How would someone know if this is an office, a lab, or any particular room? I bet this symbol holds a meaning only a few characters are privy to. Maybe Wickerbottom would recognize it? Antennae, probably. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifffffffff Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 anyone else realize there is a line on the bucket that says when its full Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrixGoBrrr Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 9 hours ago, Bumber64 said: Can't make out the text, but there's something there. Looks like "AP" in the middle. OH!! i think i see a pattern... 18 hours ago, Sustenance said: this too for lore Note the lightbulbs!! I really think the portals need to be "tuned' or "synced"! We see lightbulbs missing from the staticky portal in the new puzzle, meanwhile the spiralized(stabilized?) portals have lightbulbs along the top ... we even have a shell bell depicted in Charlie's repaired Ancient Gateway at the top of it ..... be it lightbulbs, whistling a tune, using shell bells, i think this pattern calibrates & stabilizes the portal 4 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839722 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DajeKotlyar Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 apple in latin is "malum" which means also bad, sinful. look how much is dedicated to the apple in the puzzle 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaurun Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 Regarding apple, I see that Wagstaff bites it on the one side of the leaf: but when the apple is on the floor, the other side is bitten. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fliphe Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 25 minutes ago, shaurun said: Regarding apple, I see that Wagstaff bites it on the one side of the leaf: but when the apple is on the floor, the other side is bitten. Maça.mp4 7 2 2 5 1 1 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839727 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaurun Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 (edited) @Fliphe if you turn an apple (it's also visible with your fork experiment), both the bite and the leaf will turn. Which means if bite and a leaf were on the opposite sides, they should remain on the opposite sides. I think this might point either to some mirroring effect in the arg puzzle, or to the story itself (e.g. an apple is a projection). Edited October 10, 2025 by shaurun 6 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChubbyBacon Posted October 10, 2025 Share Posted October 10, 2025 how did you get the other wagstaff panel? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeW Posted October 11, 2025 Share Posted October 11, 2025 Hey everybody. We don’t normally talk in these threads, but I want to clear up what our intentions are here. We have some stories to tell, and we have a long path toward telling them. We’ve made plans at least up until the end of this year and have further arcs with different characters in mind. The idea of these stories is to provide some lore and background that is more difficult to convey in the game, and providing more ways to engage with our lore. Our original intention was to provide a “countdown” to help players know when our next bit would start and where the current bit would end. This isn’t quite working as intended, so we want to change it. Not only so it feels better for players, but also provides us a little more flexibility. On that note, we’re also adjusting how we indicate the next stage to better represent when the current bit is done or the next is available. We want it to be much clearer whether you are done for now or whether there is still more left to find. The next stage was to begin Saturday, but due to some illnesses and a long weekend, we’re going to move that date forward a bit to give us some more time on the next part. So we’re pausing the current countdown until we have a safer date. Finally, our plan is for the Klei Point rewards to continue to scale based on the time between stages. There will also be other rewards at major points in the story as those who have participated in previous puzzles know. A big thanks to everybody who has joined us so far, we hope you’re all enjoying playing these puzzles as much as we’re enjoying making them! 71 5 1 8 1 4 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiyss Posted October 11, 2025 Share Posted October 11, 2025 1 hour ago, JoeW said: snip* I know it might not be the best way of communication but I have a question that a lot of people might also have as well. Are you guys planning on releasing a skin similar to the methew puzzle one's? If yes, will it be obtainable later on? Give us a hint maybe. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sustenance Posted October 11, 2025 Share Posted October 11, 2025 Thanks for the updates and for making it more clear despite the negativity at first. Looking forward to more lore and puzzles Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted October 11, 2025 Share Posted October 11, 2025 (edited) 1 hour ago, JoeW said: We don’t normally talk in these threads Not directly, anyway 😉 I'm excited to see what the future holds, I've really missed these kinds of puzzles and how they would bring everyone together to discover something. Edited October 11, 2025 by oCrapaCreeper 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839736 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooba Posted October 11, 2025 Share Posted October 11, 2025 (edited) idk if we already know this yet but every panel below the desk corresponds to a letter in the alphabet, from left to right. spelling out MANIFESTUM and WAGSTAFF with these panels will reveal some of them! credits to the chaps on the biddobams discord for discovering this Edited October 11, 2025 by Gooba 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aldair Reis Posted October 11, 2025 Share Posted October 11, 2025 Why is mine at 1? Did I miss something? 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoShroom6 Posted October 11, 2025 Share Posted October 11, 2025 13 hours ago, Veyred said: im finding GR?? first time trying this though using sonic visualizer, then clicking layer and then spectogram imo, those kinda look like the runes in metheus 2 hours ago, JoeW said: Hey everybody. We don’t normally talk in these threads, but I want to clear up what our intentions are here. We have some stories to tell, and we have a long path toward telling them. We’ve made plans at least up until the end of this year and have further arcs with different characters in mind. The idea of these stories is to provide some lore and background that is more difficult to convey in the game, and providing more ways to engage with our lore. Our original intention was to provide a “countdown” to help players know when our next bit would start and where the current bit would end. This isn’t quite working as intended, so we want to change it. Not only so it feels better for players, but also provides us a little more flexibility. On that note, we’re also adjusting how we indicate the next stage to better represent when the current bit is done or the next is available. We want it to be much clearer whether you are done for now or whether there is still more left to find. The next stage was to begin Saturday, but due to some illnesses and a long weekend, we’re going to move that date forward a bit to give us some more time on the next part. So we’re pausing the current countdown until we have a safer date. Finally, our plan is for the Klei Point rewards to continue to scale based on the time between stages. There will also be other rewards at major points in the story as those who have participated in previous puzzles know. A big thanks to everybody who has joined us so far, we hope you’re all enjoying playing these puzzles as much as we’re enjoying making them! Any 1 scanned this for potential hints yet? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/25/#findComment-1839740 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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