Bumber64 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 21 hours ago, filipahped said: Also, yes, that has been done, to the best of our abilities. Honestly, it would kinda surprise me if Wagstaff's whistling was a clue, given that it pre-dates the musical puzzle all the way back to when the sap bucket first started filling. 643 is old, too. Considering he's whistling a tune on the way to his musical puzzle door, there's plenty of reason to believe it's relevant. Perhaps he's whistling a sequence of four notes found in the code, and seeing that somewhere would make it obvious we're looking at the answer. Edited January 5 by Bumber64 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LePietatoLord Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 14 minutes ago, Ridley said: Figuring out the alchemy values on the mixing ingredients has been a ton of fun to work through. I may have made some mistakes or false assumptions, but I believe the final real values of the ingredients are as follows: Hide contents Hide contents Hide contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents Reveal hidden contents My interest in these values is that I believe they may help with the door puzzle. I have tried a few variations already with the 643 note, with my main assumption being that the note refers to the bells like this: Hide contents I have tried numbering the 12 mixable ingredients in the order they appear in the book, followed by numbering the alchemy values in the order they appear in the book, then playing the 6,4,3 values for each ingredient on 12 individual beats. Maybe my numbers are wrong, or the way I input them was wrong, but this was the incorrect answer. My biggest problem is that I don't have a good theory on how many beats should be played. I've also wondered if there is subtle clues elsewhere than the notes, like maybe this picture refers to the spiral alchemy value in some special way: Hide contents I can gladly show more of my notes if people want to check my numbers or solution. I just think it is highly suspicious that these alchemy ingredients have confusing values and wonder if the reason we are stuck on the door puzzle was because we didn't understand enough of its parallel puzzle. issue is it also doesn't take the octaves into account, nor the beats. Could you show how you assigned note values to the specific ingredients Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848011 Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaurun Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 probably it was discovered, byt anyways. Pressing red button raises the golden ring (until silver one): there were sounds of bells after clicking the bells and pushing red button Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) 6 hours ago, LePietatoLord said: issue is it also doesn't take the octaves into account, nor the beats. Could you show how you assigned note values to the specific ingredients I think the octaves are tied to the weird line markings on the 643 note like others have suggested. Here are my notes uploaded as PDF, warning I haven't taken the time to tidy them up yet. ARG 2b.pdf Edited January 5 by Ridley resolution solution Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MISMASJETU Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 hours ago, shaurun said: probably it was discovered, byt anyways. Pressing red button raises the golden ring (until silver one): there were sounds of bells after clicking the bells and pushing red button We already know how the machine works. It is a sound/melody recorder, the vertical bar is for number of notes, you record notes by pressing the red button and then it is played back once you reach the limit. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikenobi Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 hours ago, MISMASJETU said: the vertical bar is for number of notes Sorry to be pedantic, but with a puzzle like this, it's important to be precise. The vertical bar is for the number of beats. Anywhere from zero to twenty-four notes can be recorded per beat. You record notes by dialing as many as you want into the dial, then pressing the red button to assign all of them that you just did to that one beat. I think we really can't disregard that it's possible to play notes simultaneously to form chords, or just to make more noise at once. If we lock into the idea of only one note per beat, we'll probably overlook the solution. 3 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wholesome Dad Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 It feels like this is our chords. I know we already used it for the bunker, but if it's not also for this why is it using roman numerals instead of regular numbers? And they are listed high and low so we know what position the octave handle needs to be in. I'm staying with my C is root theory for now, but only because I don't see anything that indicates a different root. I'll probably end up trying this progression in all major scales in desperation 😁 Because the paper looks torn on the left, I think we're missing chords. I just don't see any other torn piece of paper anywhere that could be the missing piece. I even thought, maybe the post-it was a quick note writing down what got torn off, but vi IV iii V I ii IV iii didn't work. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki Darks Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 26 minutes ago, Wholesome Dad said: It feels like this is our chords. I know we already used it for the bunker, but if it's not also for this why is it using roman numerals instead of regular numbers? And they are listed high and low so we know what position the octave handle needs to be in. I'm staying with my C is root theory for now, but only because I don't see anything that indicates a different root. I'll probably end up trying this progression in all major scales in desperation 😁 Because the paper looks torn on the left, I think we're missing chords. I just don't see any other torn piece of paper anywhere that could be the missing piece. I even thought, maybe the post-it was a quick note writing down what got torn off, but vi IV iii V I ii IV iii didn't work. Isn't that the order of bushes you are supposed to click in one of the panels? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrixGoBrrr Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 4 hours ago, Nikki Darks said: Isn't that the order of bushes you are supposed to click in one of the panels? yes! but also... we see numerals used at the top of the portal in Next of Kin, 1 through 6 is visible, but it looks possible to me that it may go to 7 [and maybe have an implied 'zero' before the 1]: 5 hours ago, Wholesome Dad said: Because the paper looks torn on the left, I think we're missing chords. I just don't see any other torn piece of paper anywhere that could be the missing piece. I even thought, maybe the post-it was a quick note writing down what got torn off, but vi IV iii V I ii IV iii didn't work. i wonder what y'all think, we've seen tuning objects & music references in other portal-related contexts, Shell Bell, Tuning Fork: so i checked out the Shell Bells wiki page, and discovered DST has more of an established music transcription norm than i realized: Quote The c_shellsfromtable() command summons a line of singing shells. If you run through it, you will hear the main theme of the game. (https://dontstarve.wiki.gg/wiki/Shell_Bells) ... where this wiki info ^^ lines up nicely with the door-bell puzzle, i think? ^^ this is getting beyond my music theory knowledge, ... so especially with Wagstaff's whistle being 4 beats, along with Charlie's Ancient Gateway repair showing 4 lines above a single Shell Bell, this ARG feels to me like we're being taught how to "tune" or calibrate a portal, and i hope something here sparks an idea edit to add: i got a chance to check out the c_shellsfromtable() command in-game, it doesn't fit the door-bell puzzle as well as i had hoped Edited January 6 by BrixGoBrrr update Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848044 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VJanabla Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 这是个bug吗? Edited January 6 by VJanabla 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848050 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 10 hours ago, VJanabla said: 这是个bug吗? Yes, it is a bug. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848072 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I am pivoting to the crumpled deposit slip note. I don't think there is anything more to learn about the mixing ingredients, so I looking for new answers. I am beginning to think it is very suspicious that Wagstaff kept 3 notes in a hidden compartment of his tool box, 2 of which are used to locate and enter his secret base. If the deposit slip was just some sort of lore document, why not take better care of it or leave it in a filing cabinet? Maybe we need to renew focus on it? I've tried what I know with my mushroom numbers. Nothing seems to work yet: Spoiler 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
murat2080 Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 9 hours ago, Ridley said: Estou me concentrando no comprovante de depósito amassado. Não acho que haja mais nada a descobrir sobre os ingredientes da mistura, então estou buscando novas respostas. Estou começando a achar muito suspeito que Wagstaff guardasse três notas em um compartimento secreto de sua caixa de ferramentas, duas das quais são usadas para localizar e entrar em sua base secreta. Se o comprovante de depósito fosse apenas algum tipo de documento informativo, por que não cuidar melhor dele ou deixá-lo em um arquivo? Talvez precisemos voltar a nos concentrar nele? Já tentei tudo o que sei sobre os números dos cogumelos. Nada parece funcionar ainda: Ocultar conteúdo And if the numbers on the banknote go up to 7, giving you 1275, and the missing numbers, due to the paper being torn, are those noted on the sticky note, 643. Has anyone tried this before? and transform them into Roman numerals, which would be: l, ll, Vll, V, Vl, lV, lll, and use those musical theories. like these here: On 04/01/2026 at 19:12, keats95 said: O maior problema que tenho com essa teoria é que nunca vi uma progressão de acordes indicada com numerais arábicos; SEMPRE usamos numerais romanos na teoria musical. E considerando que Klei usou numerais romanos em uma dica anterior com os arbustos, o músico em mim ficará MUITO irritado se a nota 643 acabar indicando uma progressão de acordes, rsrs. Usar numerais romanos também ajuda a diferenciar entre acordes maiores e menores, com letras maiúsculas indicando maior e minúsculas indicando menor. Por exemplo, escalas maiores podem ser escritas como, I - ii - iii - IV - V - vi - vii^ (vii não é realmente menor, é diminuto, mas não sei se meu teclado tem a notação correta para isso, então vou usar ^) Em Dó maior, esses acordes seriam Dó maior, Ré menor, Mi menor, Fá maior, Sol maior, Lá menor e Si diminuto Isso significa que os 3 acordes seriam, na verdade, Lá menor, Fá maior e Mi menor. Não sei se isso é útil ou relevante, mas pensei em compartilhar, já que não sei quantos de nós aqui somos músicos. Toco piano há 25 anos, embora não seja absolutamente nenhum especialista nos detalhes da teoria musical. (Prefiro apenas tocar os sons bonitos 🙃 ) Também não tenho certeza se concordo com a suposição que todos fazem de que Dó é a nossa nota fundamental. Dó é simplesmente... onde a música começa, na falta de uma expressão melhor da minha parte. Pelo menos no piano, e esse seletor rotativo parece estar fortemente ligado às teclas do piano (brancas e pretas). Dó é o centro do piano. Nós o chamamos literalmente de Dó central. Se eu tentar ensinar alguém a tocar piano, a primeira nota que mostrarei será o Dó central. Se eu estiver mostrando uma oitava no piano, mostrarei de Dó a Dó, não de Lá a Lá. A primeira escala que você aprenderá será a de Dó Maior. etc. Se o som rotativo começasse em QUALQUER outra nota, eu interpretaria como uma indicação clara de que essa é a nota base com a qual estamos trabalhando, mas Dó? Na minha opinião, poderia ser qualquer coisa. On 04/01/2026 at 16:41, Wholesome Dad said: Vou compartilhar o que acho que entendi sobre o enigma da porta musical. Vou começar pelo telefone/instrumento. Possui 12 números que correspondem a notas musicais, e as teclas brancas e pretas são semelhantes às de um piano. Devido à disposição das teclas pretas e brancas, sabemos que o número 1 é um Dó, e como Dó é 1, acredito que nossa nota fundamental seja Dó. Acredito também que, como a ferramenta possui 3 sinos, devemos inserir acordes (3 números por vez ao pressionar o botão vermelho). Para benefício de todos, vou postar os números correspondentes a cada acorde maior. Lá (Lá, Dó#, Mi) - 10,2,5 Lá#(Lá#,Ré,Fá) - 11,3,6 Si (Si,Ré#,Fá#) - 12,4,7 Dó (Dó, Mi, Sol) - 1,5,8 Dó#(Dó#,Fá,Sol#) - 2,6,9 Ré (Ré,Fá#,Lá) - 3,7,10 Ré#(Ré#,Sol,Lá#) - 4,8,11 Mi (Mi,Sol#,Si) - 5,9,12 Fá (Fá,Lá,Dó) - 6,10,1 Fá#(Fá#,Lá#,Dó#) - 7,11,2 Sol (Sol,Si,Ré) - 8,12,3 Sol#(Sol#,Dó,Ré#) - 9,1,4 Minha teoria é que o post-it representa uma progressão de acordes da escala de Dó Maior. Isso significa que precisamos inserir os três acordes: Lá, Fá e Mi. Acredito que a linha no post-it entre os números 4 e 3 se refere à alavanca de oitava do lado direito; o número 4 precisa da alavanca para cima e o número 3 precisa dela para baixo. O número 6 está alinhado com o 4, então acredito que a alavanca também precise estar para cima nesse caso. É possível ver uma linha semelhante na madeira à qual a alavanca está conectada. Ao inserir esses 3 acordes acima, a porta não se abre, então obviamente há algo que estou perdendo. Já tentei inverter a oitava dos acordes, já tentei usar acordes menores em vez de maiores. Até tentei percorrer todas as escalas maiores e menores com a mesma progressão, caso não estejamos trabalhando na fundamental de Dó. Tentei até a progressão com Dó nas escalas de blues e diminuta. Ainda sem sorte, mas parece que tudo está se encaixando e fazendo sentido, e só me falta uma peça do quebra-cabeça. and using triads, notes in major and minor scales, that kind of stuff you musicians do xD, it makes my head spin. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848133 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I realized I wrote the wrong numbers down, so I did it again with the correction. Still no success: Spoiler Also tried testing if the bottom number was 12758 or 12759. Still no luck. Spoiler Looks like I am going to have to think of something new. 6 hours ago, murat2080 said: And if the numbers on the banknote go up to 7, giving you 1275, and the missing numbers, due to the paper being torn, are those noted on the sticky note, 643. Has anyone tried this before? and transform them into Roman numerals, which would be: l, ll, Vll, V, Vl, lV, lll, and use those musical theories. like these here: I don't understand enough about chords to try this. 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikenobi Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 I still think the problem with all of these numbers is that, while they might indicate notes or chords, they don't indicate duration. If we are supposed to play the roman numerals as chords, we still don't know how long to hold them for. The clue that will make it all come together, I think, will make it really clear how many beats we need, and how long to hold notes or chords. We may well find some literal sheet music buried somewhere in the comic's files. Or some musical recording that matches the tempo of the musical lock exactly. Something to explain not just which notes to play, but how long to play them. 3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wholesome Dad Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) I tried Murat, no luck. The banking note is bother me also, but every time I look at it i end up dismissing it because I don't see how to relate it to music and there's no indication of the position of the octave handle for the numbers that could be translated. These were the variations I attempted in the C major scale I, ii, vii°, V, vi, IV, iii C (C,E,G) - 1,5,8 UP Dm (D,F,A) - 3,6,10 DOWN BDim(B,D,F) - 12,3,6 ? tried both tripple down sounded way out of order so I went with just up for the other two attempts G (G,B,D) - 8,12,3 DOWN Am (A,C,E) - 10,1,5 UP F (F,A,C) - 6,10,1 UP Em (E,G,B) - 5,8,12 DOWN I, ii, vii°, V, vi, IV, iii, V, I, ii, IV, iii C (C,E,G) - 1,5,8 UP Dm (D,F,A) - 3,6,10 DOWN BDim(B,D,F) - 12,3,6 ? G (G,B,D) - 8,12,3 DOWN Am (A,C,E) - 10,1,5 UP F (F,A,C) - 6,10,1 UP Em (E,G,B) - 5,8,12 DOWN G (G,B,D) - 8,12,3 DOWN C (C,E,G) - 1,5,8 UP Dm (D,F,A) - 3,6,10 DOWN F (F,A,C) - 6,10,1 UP Em (E,G,B) - 5,8,12 DOWN I, ii, vii°, V, I, ii, IV, iii C (C,E,G) - 1,5,8 UP Dm (D,F,A) - 3,6,10 DOWN BDim(B,D,F) - 12,3,6 ? G (G,B,D) - 8,12,3 DOWN C (C,E,G) - 1,5,8 UP Dm (D,F,A) - 3,6,10 DOWN F (F,A,C)- 6,10,1 UP Em (E,G,B) - 5,8,12 DOWN Edited January 8 by Wholesome Dad Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848176 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimplyGoose Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 One thing I tried to no success yet at this point was taking the text from the banking note and take any character that corresponds to a musical note and leaving the ones that don't as rests. I'm probably not making this very clear, but I'll give an example: "DEPOSITED WITH" becomes | D | E | | | | | | E | D | "Buckeye Banking" becomes | B | | c | | e | | e | | B | a | | | | | g | "Voxola Radio Company" becomes | | | | | | a | | | a | d | | | | C | | | | a | If you take the three together you get: | D | E | | | | | | E | D | | B | | c | | e | | e | | B | a | | | | | g | | | | | | | a | | | a | d | | | | C | | | | a | I tried inputting this with the uppercase letters with the lever up and lowercase with the lever down but it didn't do anything. I'm not sure if this is the right direction or not, but I think it might be for two reasons: "Voxola Radio Company" is precisely 20 characters which is the same as the length of the amount of notes you can input Letters can have two states, uppercase or lowercase, same as the lever 5 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetNerfedOn Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 On 1/4/2026 at 3:48 PM, GetNerfedOn said: Days 83-85 of writing down the script of the Inevitable short letter by letter until this ARG ends: Once upon a time several strangers were stranded in a land lethal, loathsome and large. None got along but I've been intentionally inactive with daily ARG news given that people are currently discussing solutions and i don't want to subsume the discussion Days 86-89 of writing down the script of the Inevitable short letter by letter until this ARG ends: Once upon a time several strangers were stranded in a land lethal, loathsome and large. None got along but the o 5 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 (edited) Trying to think in new ways. We don't need the 643 note for determining the octave if we have numbers ranging from 1-24. I tried using an alphabet cipher on words from the bank note, looking for equal length words that don't have a "Y" or "Z" in them. Still no luck, but at least I can still come up with new possibilities. Not truly stuck yet... Spoiler Edited January 8 by Ridley Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848197 Share on other sites More sharing options...
filipahped Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 14 hours ago, kiwikenobi said: I still think the problem with all of these numbers is that, while they might indicate notes or chords, they don't indicate duration. If we are supposed to play the roman numerals as chords, we still don't know how long to hold them for. The duration of each cord is not, as I see it, relevant. Each cord that you play lasts exactly one beat. If you put in the same cord twice in a row, you aren't extending it, you are just playing it twice. And if you don't put anything on the next beat, you also aren't extending, you are just introducing a beat of silence. 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LePietatoLord Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 42 minutes ago, filipahped said: The duration of each cord is not, as I see it, relevant. Each cord that you play lasts exactly one beat. If you put in the same cord twice in a row, you aren't extending it, you are just playing it twice. And if you don't put anything on the next beat, you also aren't extending, you are just introducing a beat of silence. We still need to know on what beat to play each chord/note since it's pretty likely the code is exact considering there's no indication as to how close you are to the solution. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 Yeesh, I am just abandoning any previous ideas on 643 or the mushrooms at this point. There was that tuning fork looking thing on the Day panel with some familiar looking gizmos attached so I tried the following: Spoiler I didn't do much with it. Not really sure what can be done with it. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwikenobi Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 7 hours ago, filipahped said: The duration of each cord is not, as I see it, relevant. Each cord that you play lasts exactly one beat. If you put in the same cord twice in a row, you aren't extending it, you are just playing it twice. And if you don't put anything on the next beat, you also aren't extending, you are just introducing a beat of silence. You're right that playing the notes again on a subsequent beat does not extend them, it's just playing the notes a second time immediately after the first. But even if you don't consider adding "silence" to be extending the note--which I think it is, as the bells continue to vibrate with the tone(s) they last played for many beats of "silence," effectively extending them from quarter notes to half, whole, or whatever--as LePietatoLord said, we still have to figure out on which beats to play which notes. If the lock wants "silence" after playing a note, we need to know how many beats of it before playing the next one. If it wants notes ABC on beat 1 and DEF on beat 7, we have to know to put five rests between beats 1 and 7. I strongly believe that the clue we find will tell us exactly that. Because without that information, there are just too many variations to even consider trying them all. Even if the answer is "no rests, just play the combinations of notes one right after the other as quickly as possible," we need something to tell us that, since the option to add beats where the bells are not played, and the option to reduce the total number of beats the lock will play back, introduces so many possibilities. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrixGoBrrr Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 i keep coming back to this part of the puzzle: The space between these two panels feels like a clue to me, how the black vertical band looks so so much like a sound wave form, It might just be a result of how the comic/site is built, crossed with the two panes being the same size & aspect ratio, etc..... ..... and maybe it's just the lightbulb over Wagstaff's head making me think there's a bright idea in these panels Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torpeda Posted January 8 Share Posted January 8 3 minutes ago, BrixGoBrrr said: I don't know if it's just me, but every image you attached so far is not shown and an error occurs when you try to click on them (including previous replies). 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/168280-new-arg-link/page/61/#findComment-1848242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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