List of skill tree items usable without having the appropriate perk

[Kacpert25]

In the last (big) update, special containers of characters from the skill tree were no longer possible to open if you did not have the perk associated with them. This was of course a very good change, because now you can't quickly take a perk to a container just to make it and then get rid of the perk. This also shows one of the main aspects of the skill tree in general. Namely, skills and items that characters cannot use if they do not have the appropriate perk activated.
Unfortunately, some items can still be used without having active perks. So, as I wrote in the title of the post, I'm going to list these specific items.

WOLFGANG:
•Thermbell
•Firebell
•Icebell
(Other characters can't use them, but Wolfgang without perk can)

•Coaching Whistle - Although its effect doesn't work when used by other characters without a perk, but any character can still whistle at it. It shouldn't be usable at all if you don't have a perk. The same way Winona's handy remote works, for example, which can't be used without a perk.

Wendy:
•Wraith's Wreath (Any character can use it. Including drinking elixirs)
•Ghastly Experience
•Luminous Wrath - Because it works without a perk, you can do a combo like Shadow Abigail with a lunar elixir effect.
I don't think that's intentional.
•Cursed Vexation - Same thing here, but in form of Gestalt Abigail with the shadow elixir effect.
(Other characters can't use them, but Wendy without perk can)

Woodie:
•Hardwood Hat
•Wooden Walking Stick
(Any character can use it)

Wigfrid:
•Elding Spear - Any character can equip this item. It shouldn't be that way. Without the perk, the spear shouldn't be able to be equipped.
•Commander's Helm (Any character can use it)
•Battle Saddle - Any character can equip this saddle to a beefalo and ride it while it is equipped. Both of these options should be disabled. You don't have the perk, so you can't ride a beefalo with the battle saddle equipped.

Winona:
•Rose-Colored Glasses (Any character can wear it) - You shouldn't wear them if you don't have a perk.
•Portasol (Any character can equip it) - Even though characters without the perk can't use the portasol to teleport, they can still equip it. They shouldn't have the option to equip it at all.
•W.I.N.bot (Other characters can't deploy it, but Winona without the perk can) - This shouldn't be the case. If Winona doesn't have the W.I.N.bot perk active, she shouldn't be able to deploy it either.
•All Winona portable structures (Teletransport Station, Catapult, Spotlight, Generator, G.E.M.erator) -Case is the same as with W.I.N.bot. Winona, despite not having an activated perk, can still place these portable structures.

Wormwood:
•Syrup Of Ipecaca (Any character can use it) - Any character can feed it to a mob or eat it themselves. If it were possible to code it, then characters without a perk shouldn't be able to feed it to mobs or eat it.

Wurt:
•Skeeter Bomb
•Fertilizzzer
•Blood Shot
(Any character can use it)

•Communal Kelp Dish
•Superior Communal Kelp Dish
•Shody Tool Shed
•Less Shody Tool Shed
•Armermry
•Superior Armermry
(Other characters can't use them, but Wurt without perk can)

Walter:
•Flutter Strip (Any character can use it) - In this case it is rather intended that every character can use this item since there was a change at one time where the item only gives sanity if you have the perk associated with it. However, I think this item should not be available to all characters. Only Walter with the activated perk should be able to use it.

So that's all I wanted to say. Thanks for reading the post.
I am also attaching a screenshot of all the items and structures mentioned here in case someone doesn't recognize them by name.

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[Well-met]

Not a fan of this at all. I only started noticing this new trend on walter bullets, and it's sort of gross that a walter can't share anything with another walter who doesn't have the perk.

[aidankocherhans]

Some of these things don't really matter that much (wraiths wreaths are impractical to store long term, portasol barely does anything without the teleport, elding spear and commanders helm lose major benefits without the skills) 

Some of these are an issue, but keep in mind a lot of these things are intended to be shared with the team, and too much restrictions can be unfun

[Walrusst]

I kinda wish there were more ways to share nerfed versions of your stuff.

We don't need to be grinches declaring all sharing to be swap.

[hyoton123]

Finally. The update that will make DST great.

[gaymime]

a lot of these things are -supposed- to be shareable. it would suck to not be able to take advantage of the "together" part of don't starve together and it would doubly suck if there is nothing but servers filled exclusively with winona and wendy because they have the best kit.

there is already too much character bias, lets not make it worse.

[Radicaljoe]

I'd say the only ones on this list that are fair to be changed are Wolfgang's dumbbells. And maybe the wurt sheds

The rest either have their main utility removed, or are inherently supposed to be shared, IE wigs commander helms to let your team be knocked around less, but still don't regen for the other players. 

[00petar00]

How can you not see the game's name "Don't starve together", I really dislike that as Wanda main I don't have anything to share besides teleporting people only when I am around and have gems.

[Cheggf]

Literally the exact opposite should happen. I don't know what's up with Don't Starve Together players and hating teamwork & cooperation so much. It's a really common trend. Some of the most fun interactions in both this game and others are where you're able to uniquely provide benefits for your friends and pool together to achieve more than you would be able to on your own. But for some reason you guys all hate that and just want everything to be exclusively forced to only be used on yourself. You want your character to be nerfed to be weaker, and not even in a fun way. You just want to remove teamwork for some reason. You don't want others to be able to have fun, you want it all for yourself.

[aidankocherhans]

41 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

Literally the exact opposite should happen. I don't know what's up with Don't Starve Together players and hating teamwork & cooperation so much. It's a really common trend. Some of the most fun interactions in both this game and others are where you're able to uniquely provide benefits for your friends and pool together to achieve more than you would be able to on your own. But for some reason you guys all hate that and just want everything to be exclusively forced to only be used on yourself. You want your character to be nerfed to be weaker, and not even in a fun way. You just want to remove teamwork for some reason. You don't want others to be able to have fun, you want it all for yourself.

Okay, that's taking it a little far, it is still an issue that you can exploit certain skills by resetting the tree

[readkey]

I kind of disagree to make everything exclusive to a certain character. For example, Wigfrid has been sharing her helmet to her fellow teammates from the beginning, and I really like that she can keep doing this with her upgraded helmets and armored saddles.

There are just too many ways to exploit skill tree reset, just like character swap. Say, Winona's skill tree is all about early, mid and late game perks on her middle shelf, her shadow shelf and her lunar shelf, but people can easily reset skill tree based on their progression and benefit from all of these perks. This does not even involve the "usable without perk" problem you mentioned. I understand some people do not like this exploit, seriously, myself included, but forcing everything to be tied to a single character is not a good way to solve this.

[gu_qian]

I can understand that the items unlocked by the skill tree should not be usable after the skill points are remade. In this way, all players will only use these skills as temporary options. As long as enough skill tree items are made, these skills will be discarded immediately.

Just like Wally and Winona in the past, because all characters can use their exclusive items, everyone will just replace them immediately after making their exclusive items. Almost no one will use these two characters specifically.

However, I think it is reasonable for equipment items to be used by other characters. The original intention of the official should be to allow other characters to enjoy the benefits of equipment.

So maybe it can be changed so that if there is no player on the server who has unlocked this skill, other characters cannot use this item? (It’s just an idea, after all, it should be very difficult to do)

[WilsonHiggs]

12 hours ago, Well-met said:

Not a fan of this at all. I only started noticing this new trend on walter bullets, and it's sort of gross that a walter can't share anything with another walter who doesn't have the perk.

Agree but there is the problem of just picking the perk to craft them and later on change it

What would be the point 

[Cheggf]

9 hours ago, aidankocherhans said:

Okay, that's taking it a little far, it is still an issue that you can exploit certain skills by resetting the tree

I don't think it is. But regardless, that isn't what's being complained about here. He explicitly wrote in the post that he doesn't want other people to be able to use things like the wraith's wreathe, hardwood hat (lol), wooden walking stick (lol), rose-colored glasses that don't even do anything, etc. 

Imagine if other game forums looked like the DST forums. "Why can Warlock give anyone healthstones? It's a huge problem that I could spend hours getting a 'Lock to 80, then if I get a friend on I could summon healthstones and have him hold some, log off of the Warlock, log onto my main, and take a healthstone so that I don't have to spend 100 of my 2,000,000 gold on an algari healing potion. We should really ruin the class fantasy of Warlock and get rid of this fun little interaction he has so that I'm not allowed to theoretically do something that I'm not going to actually do since it's way more effort than it's worth".

[Wawchik]

Just remove "together" from the game's name at this point 

[mima_]

13 hours ago, 00petar00 said:

How can you not see the game's name "Don't starve together", I really dislike that as Wanda main I don't have anything to share besides teleporting people only when I am around and have gems.

u forgot about the handy clock of revival XD

[YouKnowWho142]

I think there’s a middle ground to it. The more obvious examples of items that shouldn’t be used without the skill is like ending spear special attack or Wurt’s mudslingers. A lot of skill items should be and are designed to be shareable like woodie’s helmet and cane or Wendy’s wreath, those are big things that should never just stay exclusive to woodie or Wendy. 
 

however, this is when I start to make a bit of a disagreement with others. I do think it’s fair that characters with container skills can’t use the containers without the skill. I do not think the game should encourage you to craft a ton of character skill-exclusive items and swap back to a different skill tree. Things like using Walter’s ammo without the respective skill sounds nice, but it has a similar problem to me where you’re taking advantage of a skill without using the perk when in reality the ability to use the ammo is essentially its own perk, it would be like making all the slingshot parts for a slingshot and then disabling those skills which does not seem okay. Item based perks have been controversial on the forums for a bit now though, I think it’s fine for characters to have exclusive items or items only they can really use since it’s a part of not only their perks but their character as well, only in item form instead of being passive, and while improvements can be made to what can only be used by the other characters and what can’t I don’t really have an issue with most current skill items that are/aren’t restricted to the skill

[Crestwave]

I disagree with most of these. One of the things I like most about Willow is that her items can be used by other characters. She is the gold standard of character item design and it's kind of a shame that a lot of others have strayed to complete exclusives instead.

Bernie can be used by anyone, but only Willow can summon his giant form and hold him.

Willow's Lighter can be used as a torch by anyone and Walter/Warly can also cook on it. But only Willow can absorb flames and refuel it.

The skill trees have had similar trade-offs but still keep them locked for some reason. The portable campfire skill comes with a buff to Walter's stories, but the skill is still required to use it. Not even Willow, the girl scout pyromaniac, knows how to set up a portable campfire apparently.

As someone who plays in pubs a lot, the exclusive items feel awful. They just clutter up the base as unusable junk when the player who made them leaves.

The devs used to account for this; Wes' pile of balloons can be haunted for balloons and deteriorates into mosquito sacks when left on the ground for too long, showing true care into the Together design. But Wanda's watches have no interactivity at all and now the skill trees are getting increasingly restrictive.

[Edible Coal]

6 minutes ago, Crestwave said:

One of the things I like most about Willow is that her items can be used by other characters. She is the gold standard of character item design and it's kind of a shame that a lot of others have strayed to complete exclusives instead.

Bernie can be used by anyone, but only Willow can summon his giant form and hold him.

Willow's Lighter can be used as a torch by anyone and Walter and Warly can also cook on it. But only Willow can absorb flames and refuel it.

The skill trees have had similar trade-offs but still keep them locked for some reason. The portable campfire skill comes with a buff to Walter's stories, but the skill is still required to use it. Not even Willow, the girl scout pyromaniac, knows how to set up a portable campfire apparently.

As someone who plays in pubs a lot, the exclusive items feel awful. They just clutter up the base as unusable junk when the player who made them leaves.

The devs used to account for this; Wes' pile of balloons can be haunted for balloons and deteriorates into mosquito sacks when left on the ground for too long, showing true care into the Together design. But Wanda's watches have no interactivity at all.

yeah, now you get like 20 exclusive item on the floor after a couple of hours after people leaves

[00petar00]

8 hours ago, mima_ said:

u forgot about the handy clock of revival XD

I never carry it because Wanda players usually can never have enough inventory space for all the other clocks and making telltale hearts is basically free when you aren't taking damage and have 2 ageless watches, also it is possible to cancel some damage taken from crafting telltale heart or eating raw monster meat by using ageless watch instantly after crafting or eating. I carry life giving amulet so that can be used when I can't find any spider nests to make a heart.

Second chance watch is a trap to lose one inventory slot and only useful If someone is dying too frequently or with a lot of new players.

[Crestwave]

8 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

I carry life giving amulet so that can be used when I can't find any spider nests to make a heart.

Just curious, why not carry a second chance watch instead of the LGA?

Second chance is also better than a heart because it doesn't induce max health penalty.

[00petar00]

25 minutes ago, Crestwave said:

Just curious, why not carry a second chance watch instead of the LGA?

Second chance is also better than a heart because it doesn't induce max health penalty.

Wanda doesn't have a health penalty and inventory space is a big problem with carrying 2 ageless, backstep (personal choice because it makes it interesting playing her and having an alternative to regular kiting method to a sizeable amount of mobs and bosses), 2 backtrek watches (one for surface and one for caves usually and it is always good to have one not on cooldown as it is very easy to escape any situation that you are not prepared for and saves a lot of time traveling), alarming clock with it comes nightmare fuel and staying in old age most of the time so life giving amulet or second chance watch are very good to have. I usually rush caves to obtain thulecite fragments and dreadstone helm but on the way I get star caller staff so the first autumn has not passed and 9 slots are gone on which you can add grass,twigs and lantern so before rift usually 12 slots are taken but twigs and grass don't need to be carried everywhere.

Life giving amulet can also be found from graves or you can dig out red gems and prototype it before even going to caves. The time pieces you spawn with are better spent on alarming clock as that makes ruins much safer and requires less armor investment before you obtain dreadstone helm.

Wanda thrives on cave rushing to obtain thulecite fragments and dreadstone helm is almost as equally important on her so you will have red gems from ruins at the latest, living logs are usually better used on shadow manipulator and star caller.

This goes further with rift gear taking more inventory space.

 

[WilsonHiggs]

1 hour ago, 00petar00 said:

Wanda doesn't have a health penalty and inventory space is a big problem with carrying 2 ageless, backstep (personal choice because it makes it interesting playing her and having an alternative to regular kiting method to a sizeable amount of mobs and bosses), 2 backtrek watches (one for surface and one for caves usually and it is always good to have one not on cooldown as it is very easy to escape any situation that you are not prepared for and saves a lot of time traveling), alarming clock with it comes nightmare fuel and staying in old age most of the time so life giving amulet or second chance watch are very good to have. I usually rush caves to obtain thulecite fragments and dreadstone helm but on the way I get star caller staff so the first autumn has not passed and 9 slots are gone on which you can add grass,twigs and lantern so before rift usually 12 slots are taken but twigs and grass don't need to be carried everywhere.

Life giving amulet can also be found from graves or you can dig out red gems and prototype it before even going to caves. The time pieces you spawn with are better spent on alarming clock as that makes ruins much safer and requires less armor investment before you obtain dreadstone helm.

Wanda thrives on cave rushing to obtain thulecite fragments and dreadstone helm is almost as equally important on her so you will have red gems from ruins at the latest, living logs are usually better used on shadow manipulator and star caller.

This goes further with rift gear taking more inventory space.

 

Why you carry that much watches?