Vigor Mortis?

[DVGMedia]

I can never really see myself making this potion.

Its main gimmick is that it reduces slowdown effects.
However.. Beefalo also does that which is a common combination with wendy.

I guess you could argue its for players that don't use beefalos but that still leaves just the small cases of using heavy armor or a piggy back.
And well moving certain things.
Its potentially faster moving giant crops around. since don't need to do the mounting animation.

Idk it just feels like its not the most useful potion.  I feel like it would be nicer to have a 10 percent speed boost for 2 days in the same name as wolfgangs perk.

Where it also affects the beef.  So that way its not just nightshade and healing purely filling up Wendys belly.
 

[somethin]

You don't use them on Abigail? They're very nice for kiting fast bosses.

[DVGMedia]

1 hour ago, somethin said:

You don't use them on Abigail? They're very nice for kiting fast bosses.

well more just like when can actually use them?

solo i can only really find them useful in like toad or champion to help abby kite better in those fights.

More often than not its better to have another potion equipped. 

[YouKnowWho142]

If you’re using blessed sisturn 3 then you don’t need to use healing elixirs all the time, only when you need to unsummon her. That lets you use vigor mortis in caves or at night to some pretty strong results, it makes a huge difference against mobile bosses. Helps against most enemies too since vigor mortis is way cheaper than nightshade and nightshade is really excessive against a lot of enemies, not to mention it excels in niche situation over the damage bonus. As far as drinking it goes I used it mainly for moving the three altar pieces at the lunar island (not the ck or astral detector altars, just the lunar island one). I also tried to use vigor mortis to wear marble armor in my chest slot so I would have basically no movement penalty, it’s not the most optimal but it was a neat synergy 

also, I don’t really like comparing character functions to beefalo (obvious exception is woby since she’s meant to directly compete with them). Even despite that I do wish drinking the vigor mortis had a minor buff, I really don’t think a 10% movement speed increase would be broken in the slightest especially since you’re giving up a head slot

I just wanted to bring this up since I thought vigor mortis was really bad, but since I was getting so much extra mourning glory I didn’t feel as bad giving them another chance, they were overall probably my second most used potion behind nightshade

[loopuleasa]

Vigor mortis is underrated, especially on abigail

I sometimes prefer having vigor on, it just feels so snappy if you are fast (like on a beefalo)

If used correctly vigor is also +DPS becaus abi goes in range faster and starts hitting earlier

It becomes really good with good "Escape" skill usage

Makes many bosses so much snappier, more people should try it out

[Redtooth]

From what I have seen, the big use of this is for the AG fight, so that Abi is much closer to Beef speed (if it isn't matching) making it much smoother. I believe Lardee has made a video containing this.

[FillerText]

What I say has the major discrediting factor that is me not even playing Wendy, but i'd rather have her stay with a similiar perk to Wolfgang to open up more alternative options instead of simply just amplifying already existing mechanics. You don't change your playstyle, if you move faster. You do change it in some way, if you can move without crippling penalties of various items. I never find Beefalos to be fun to use, or even worth it. I only would only use them, if I am absolutely forced to do so in order to fulfil one niche task. Having another alternative to comfortably wear ice cubes or piggybacks is just nice. Yes, you can just use flint axes. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't have the luxurious kind, and vice versa.

 

Compare that to another free 10/15% speed boost making playing traditional speedsters increasingly more redundant for me to play. It hurts those characters severely to be nudged out of being exceptional at moving fast, and instead into the "just better" role. As they lack anything else to properly stay useful, if someone else comes along with a significant portion of their speed, along with being able to do a variety of other things. I don't think characters should steal each-other's strongest powers, while having a moveset of their own. It doesn't hurt Wolfgang nearly as much to share that perk due to it not being their main selling point, and both of them doing vastly different things with different purposes. In fact, I think they synergize with each-other quite well!

[DVGMedia]

18 minutes ago, FillerText said:

What I say has the major discrediting factor that is me not even playing Wendy, but i'd rather have her stay with 

The thing is though is that it takes  up a pivotal equipment slot especially if it incentivizes  keeping it on or lose the potion effect.

for wolfgang the no weight  is a defining trait because it's built-in to mighty vs it taking up an equipment slot. Because of that it is not  the same value for Wendy . If im giving up an equipment slot it better be valuable since I'm giving up Night vision a decent Regen a weaker bone armor for that vigor effect.  being able to not be affected by speed debuffs. Just doesn't  happen unless forced by the player. Having a consistent  speed boost though is. It would  actually give competition to nightshade nostrem for potions to be used with the wreath. 

18 minutes ago, FillerText said:

nudged out of being exceptional at moving fast, and instead

Mean others have been getting aoe options nudging Wendy so why not?

20 minutes ago, FillerText said:

playing traditional speedsters increasingly more redundant for me to play.

The benefit of playing those characters is because they get it in their base kit. They can do things without wasting an equipment inventory slot for it  which is alot stronger  and provides way more options 

[Mr Giggio]

You are straight up loosing DPS with Ghestal Abi if you are not using Vigor Mortis for mostly every fight. She reaches faster to strike again and its significant. Do the testing, you will see.

[DVGMedia]

8 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

You are straight up loosing DPS with Ghestal Abi if you are not using Vigor Mortis for mostly every fight. She reaches faster to strike again and its significant. Do the testing, you will see.

Yeah but then that's Gabby  and if you are doing that you are  not using nightshade so unless In caves or fight  is at night. Still missing out. Beside this is more a post about  the wreath effect. 

Does vigor affect her attack at speed? Cause that may actually be a nerf in some cases cause she attacks less in the dash

[Cassielu]

I disagree it should affect on ride beefalo, and while it's good for Wendy to maximize her strengths, it violates Beefalo's mechanism logic of not taking advantage of character speed multiplier. It is important to keep the mechanism clear and learnable.

[DVGMedia]

2 minutes ago, Cassielu said:

I disagree it should affect on ride beefalo, and while it's good for Wendy to maximize her strengths, it violates Beefalo's mechanism logic of not taking advantage of character speed multiplier. It is important to keep the mechanism clear and learnable.

Yeah I just say that because Wolfgang's leg day affects beefalo for some reason. But without it would still be fine 

[Frosty_Mentos]

I read that as Rick'nMortis. Though it prolly was a result from what I drank earlier.

[Evelo]

Vigor Mortis is awesome when used against the Mosslings. They are so fast and it's hard for Abby to keep up, but boom vigor mortis and she has no issue.

It's niche as hell, yes. But nothing wrong with it imo.

[Well-met]

OP, your problem is you evaluate elixirs only for their player effects.

Wraith drinking is just a funny extra, the potions are still primarily for abby.

[Lardee]

Yeah with Beefalo taming made even easier, I'm not seeing any situation where I'd drink Vigor Mortis as Wendy.

[DVGMedia]

4 hours ago, Well-met said:

OP, your problem is you evaluate elixirs only for their player effects.

Wraith drinking is just a funny extra, the potions are still primarily for abby.

its part of the kit wendy got so its okay to evaluate them for wendys usage. 
I just really would like more than just spamming nightshade all the time.
 

[YouKnowWho142]

3 hours ago, DVGMedia said:

its part of the kit wendy got so its okay to evaluate them for wendys usage. 
I just really would like more than just spamming nightshade all the time.
 

this is exactly why i was never fond of damage being determined by the time of day. it is really inconsistent and because the damage is so much higher at night you're basically forced to use nightshade. unless youre fighting a boss in the winter you cant really afford to skip it since nights are nowhere near long enough to be relying on it consistently. at least the shield potions have a genuine niche against crowds, with the (highly debatable) argument that it could be better against hordes just because abigail can survive so much longer ( but with nightshade she wouldnt have to be holding out for so long anyways), but vigor mortis is in a sad spot where it is a genuinely handy elixir but gets stuck directly competing with an over double damage buff

[oregu]

vigor mortis was one of the best potions prerework for me,helps you fight bosses faster when you can get abby to kite instead of unsummoning.

now that you can command abby to move, it's not that useful for me. possibly good if youre doing smaller tasks where you need to run around the world, like clearing spider nests and beehives etc and abby doesnt fall behind, but you can unsummon instead with not much time loss. more of a qol thing if u really wanted to use it for that. other than that, yeah im not sure id find this much use either.

[Mr Giggio]

21 hours ago, DVGMedia said:

Does vigor affect her attack at speed?

You mean Wendy's? I'm afraid it doesn't, quite sure. I was indeed referring to GhAbi

[DVGMedia]

9 minutes ago, Mr Giggio said:

You mean Wendy's? I'm afraid it doesn't, quite sure. I was indeed referring to GhAbi

Well Abbys command since Abby flys and does and attack. She can potentially hit twice with her current dash speed  so idk if it affects it with vigor 

[Steorra]

22 hours ago, Mr Giggio said:

You are straight up loosing DPS with Ghestal Abi if you are not using Vigor Mortis for mostly every fight.

It's more like a bad design of Gestalt Abby. (The stunning time of Gabby after her finished the attack is silly)

As a topper affinity skill which need 3 points, why she have to combo with other more things to fit her minimum attack cooldown? 

[Swiyss]

I only used it on moslings, mactusk and werepig. I think it's great for stunlocking them quicker.

[Swiyss]

But I'm gonna be completely honest with you, if we're talking solely on Wendy, then the potion effect is trash. Sure I can use it on the Bee queen fight, but then distilled vengeance with a beekeeper hat is a better combo. So it really makes 0 sense to use it. Unless Klei allow us to use 2 potions with the wreath, the vigor mortis will remain extremelly niche, only to move marble and lunar pieces without the help of a beefalo.

[DVGMedia]

just got to really use vigormortis on stream. and yeah im still just convinced that wendy drinking should get 10 percent speed boost