A portion of Wendy's skill tree conflicts with her character and background

[Lee lol]

8 minutes ago, gaymime said:

not outdated just living in parallel. both quotes are current and up to date in their respective games and, if klei having both be currently in their games is any indication, valid

 

also please note that klei have chosen to make her this way in her skilltree, they are the absolute authority on what she is and they seem to feel she is willing to use the dead to her own ends

she uses the telltale heart on others and seems keen to resurrect people with it so they do not stay dead

I agree that the designer has the final right to interpret the characters and works they designed, but we can also put forward our own opinions, can't we?

What do you think Wendy is like? She was depressed because of Abigail's death. She was obsessed with death or had the idea of suicide, but this did not mean that she was the kind of person who ignored life or took pleasure in manipulating the death of others.

 

It is precisely because she has experienced the pain of life that she yearns for death and feels that life is painful, so she is willing to help some creatures get rid of the pain of life, because death is a good thing in her opinion. This mentality is sympathetic and altruistic, which is different from the necromancer who achieves his goal by manipulating the undead or corpses - gaining power (a completely selfish mentality).

[gaymime]

1 minute ago, Lee lol said:

I agree that the designer has the final right to interpret the characters and works they designed, but we can also put forward our own opinions, can't we?

What do you think Wendy is like? She was depressed because of Abigail's death. She was obsessed with death or had the idea of suicide, but this did not mean that she was the kind of person who ignored life or took pleasure in manipulating the death of others.

 

It is precisely because she has experienced the pain of life that she yearns for death and feels that life is painful, so she is willing to help some creatures get rid of the pain of life, because death is a good thing in her opinion. This mentality is sympathetic and altruistic, which is different from the necromancer who achieves his goal by manipulating the undead or corpses - gaining power (a completely selfish mentality).

of course we can. that is the purpose of a forum like this ^^

well i i think wendy is hurting and is willing to lash out at others and inflict pain on them when she is in pain. i also think she is a child and likely does not really understand the lived realities of others and so is cavalier because of that ignorancer. her words have a mixture to them; she is afraid of and seeks out death so she presumes others are unaware of death which is how they persist in living. i think she does ignore life's preciousness because of it but i don't think she is malicious most of the time, (sometimes she is very malicious) but whether she is or is not malicious does not change that she seeks out occult knowledge, desperately wants to resurrect her sister, does not have anything against reviving the dead and is apathetic to the death of most things. as a child she does not need to do it because she is somehow bad or evil or wantonly disrespectful she is just only invested in her personal goals and does her best to satisfy those goals however she can

 

i wonder if it is worth mentioning that seances at the time were considered wicked and immoral and disrespectful. within the context of the story's timeline it was already a pretty bad thing that she was doing(thought it was still quite popular) and was looked down upon

[Steorra]

6 minutes ago, gaymime said:

i wonder if it is worth mentioning that seances at the time were considered wicked and immoral and disrespectful.

It's more like a taboo which similar like pagans to Catholic, but not a simple morality thing.

Or all Occultism would get same accusation in that period. i.e Secret society is disrespectful to both science and religion, Aleister Crowley was obsessed with sex magic, Golden Dawn was rised some study of Tarot but it was seen as heretic evil tools by Christianity.

They are just different factions of Occultism. They are all "disrespectful" to common people. The action Wendy did of searching helps from Seances is not "disrespectful" but more like she doesn't care about taboos.

[Mike23Ua]

1 hour ago, Steorra said:

I would like to agree with you about other points, but this sentence might cause some misunderstanding.

Wendy was not obsessed with the dead which necromancer did. Wendy was obsessed with suicide and sadness. Death is just a part of these, but not all.

Also have to clarify she is killing for mercy due to her attitude towards the cruelty of the world, but not for fun.

And it's ridiculous to say those who have depression would prefer to become a necromancer.

Wendy had to MURDER things as a literal Blood Sacrifice to summon Abigail. She would kill them without remorse to see her sister again.

I don’t care if Tencent now owns majority shares in Klei… you can’t just Erase that from history without Erasing Wendy Herself.

[Lee lol]

25 minutes ago, gaymime said:

of course we can. that is the purpose of a forum like this ^^

well i i think wendy is hurting and is willing to lash out at others and inflict pain on them when she is in pain. i also think she is a child and likely does not really understand the lived realities of others and so is cavalier because of that ignorancer. her words have a mixture to them; she is afraid of and seeks out death so she presumes others are unaware of death which is how they persist in living. i think she does ignore life's preciousness because of it but i don't think she is malicious most of the time, (sometimes she is very malicious) but whether she is or is not malicious does not change that she seeks out occult knowledge, desperately wants to resurrect her sister, does not have anything against reviving the dead and is apathetic to the death of most things. as a child she does not need to do it because she is somehow bad or evil or wantonly disrespectful she is just only invested in her personal goals and does her best to satisfy those goals however she can

 

i wonder if it is worth mentioning that seances at the time were considered wicked and immoral and disrespectful. within the context of the story's timeline it was already a pretty bad thing that she was doing(thought it was still quite popular) and was looked down upon

I checked some materials. In a video that analyzes Wendy's plot, it was mentioned that the seance was indeed popular in the United States in the 19th century, although it suffered a lot of criticism... U.S. President Lincoln once held a seance in the White House. It takes advantage of people's longing for the undead to make them willing to pay for the tricks of spirit medium. Has Wendy herself mastered spirit medium? The animation shows that there are books and advertisements related to mediums on her desk. Maybe she just believed the advertisement of a medium and tried it, but it didn't succeed. Maybe she herself is not spirit medium, or maybe she has learned some knowledge. We never know.

 

Regarding death, because the reance requires the participants' longing for the deceased as a medium, Wendy must keep mourning Abigail, which I think is one of the reasons why she has been sad.

 

In addition, the seance will not make the ghost appear. It can only convey the answer of the ghost with the help of props or organs/spiritual media, so it is obviously absurd to involve the relationship between the spiritual medium and the resurrection.

 

 

[Steorra]

18 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wendy had to MURDER things as a literal Blood Sacrifice to summon Abigail. She would kill them without remorse to see her sister again.

I agree with this part, the importance is if the killing is needed or not. Wendy was just trapped in a similar moral dilemma like where Wortox trapped.

18 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I don’t care if Tencent now owns majority shares in Klei… you can’t just Erase that from history without Erasing Wendy Herself.

I'm sorry? Is this off topic or just a worries about if I was a member of Tencent or some other thing? Tbh I hate Tencent.

[Lee lol]

11 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Wendy had to MURDER things as a literal Blood Sacrifice to summon Abigail. She would kill them without remorse to see her sister again.

I don’t care if Tencent now owns majority shares in Klei… you can’t just Erase that from history without Erasing Wendy Herself.

She used to need it, but she didn't need it in DST. So can we think that the designer of DST changed some of her settings to make her behavior more in line with the background story?

I agree that Wendy would do some crazy things to resurrect Abigail, including the murder of small animals like butterflies... But she didn't really succeed, did she? Similarly, there are some differences between "murdering animals in order to resurrect relatives" and "necromancer who manipulate death in order to gain power"...

 

Will Wendy murder animals for Abigail? Yes.

 

Is Wendy willing to kill some creatures to help them get rid of the pain of life? Yes.

 

Does Wendy like and enjoy murder? No.

 

Is Wendy willing to gain power at the expense of other lives? Maybe not.

Many of the above are my personal speculations about Wendy's personality. You can disagree with me.

Also I believe that whether Tencent owns Klei’s shares has nothing to do with the content of this post. 

[gaymime]

1 minute ago, Lee lol said:

I checked some materials. In a video that analyzes Wendy's plot, it was mentioned that the seance was indeed popular in the United States in the 19th century, although it suffered a lot of criticism... U.S. President Lincoln once held a seance in the White House. It takes advantage of people's longing for the undead to make them willing to pay for the tricks of spirit medium. Has Wendy herself mastered spirit medium? The animation shows that there are books and advertisements related to mediums on her desk. Maybe she just believed the advertisement of a medium and tried it, but it didn't succeed. Maybe she herself is not spirit medium, or maybe she has learned some knowledge. We never know.

 

Regarding death, because the reance requires the participants' longing for the deceased as a medium, Wendy must keep mourning Abigail, which I think is one of the reasons why she has been sad.

 

In addition, the seance will not make the ghost appear. It can only convey the answer of the ghost with the help of props or organs/spiritual media, so it is obviously absurd to involve the relationship between the spiritual medium and the resurrection.

i agree with all but the last point, in edwardian times there was a belief that a ghost would sometimes show up! the spiritualist movement didnt have a lot of set rules but it also was coming in strong from the victorians who established things like ectoplasm and poltergeists and other physical manifestations so sometimes this was part of it as well though you are totally right that we don't actually know to what degree her pre-constant self attempted to activly reserect her sister only how she is once she gets there

[Debruh]

4 hours ago, Lee lol said:

Wendy may have tried to resurrect Abi with something like rebirth amulet in DST, but it didn't work, because Abi's soul has been bound to Abigail's flower

First person I have seen that knows that. That's nice . I always thought that due to that, Abby wouldn't be able to haunt stuff. Since haunting is possessing stuff as a ghost and making it briefly your new body, and Abby is bound to the flower, but guess haunting works different.

Anways, skill trees ate customizable, and the differences here aren't that big. Wendy could really be either thing, so you choose which way you want Wendy to go depending on your skill tree.

Some of these are getting changed design wise anyways, so make suggestions instead. How would she revive out of the alter, if you don't think her crawling out of it fits her? Etc.

[Lee lol]

8 minutes ago, Debruh said:

First person I have seen that knows that. That's nice . I always thought that due to that, Abby wouldn't be able to haunt stuff. Since haunting is possessing stuff as a ghost and making it briefly your new body, and Abby is bound to the flower, but guess haunting works different.

Anways, skill trees ate customizable, and the differences here aren't that big. Wendy could really be either thing, so you choose which way you want Wendy to go depending on your skill tree.

Some of these are getting changed design wise anyways, so make suggestions instead. How would she revive out of the alter, if you don't think her crawling out of it fits her? Etc.

Maybe your guess is reasonable. But in the constant, some rules are different from reality, just like we didn't leave any corpses after the death of DST, only bones and ghosts...

In any case, we just put forward our views on Wendy's skill tree and leave it to the designer to judge whether to adopt it.

[CremeLover]

6 hours ago, gaymime said:

it is interesting that it has changed in dst, good to know! it is still in solo ds even after the big update where they changed stuff to be more in line with dst however so it is still canon to the character

I view this as a sort of character development of sorts. Since DST canonically takes place after single player, you can assume some characters might change their perspective or personality a bit by interacting with other characters for a prolonged period of time.

So DST Wendy is a more "grown" and "adult" Wendy, at least mentally. I would assume eventually you would reach adulthood in your mentality if you spend the equivalent amount of time in the constant. Probably.

7 hours ago, Steorra said:

Wendy was not obsessed with the dead which necromancer did. Wendy was obsessed with suicide and sadness. Death is just a part of these, but not all.

Also have to clarify she is killing for mercy due to her attitude towards the cruelty of the world, but not for fun.

And it's ridiculous to say those who have depression would prefer to become a necromancer.

Wendy WAS obsessed with death. And no, she was never killing for mercy. Her personality might have change after the DST timeskip, but what originally attracted me to the character was how morbid her quotes were.

As Mike pointed out, you had to do a blood sacrifice to summon Abigail, which included anything.
Even you yourself dying was enough to summon Abigail, which was a funny in a morbid sort of way.

Wendy was never a necromancer. Abigail died, she tried to communicate with her (because dead people don't come back to live), and what I assume happened is that Maxwell showed up, made a deal with Wendy in his own twisted way, and brough her sister "from the dead", bound her soul to a flower, and threw Wendy in the constant. She's more of a spiritualist summoner than a necromancer, as Abigail is not really alive, even if she's not the one who casted the original spell on the flower, and she's just using Maxwell's twisted magic.

You could argue that, just like her personality, her understanding of death and spirits have expanded as she spent more time in the constant, and maybe even Maxwell, her uncle, let her peek at the codex umbra and explained some of what he did with Abigail, to expand her knowledge of spirits and summoning.

 

If you want some more evidence supporting the character development theory, in single player DS, WX-78's empathy module was not responding, and thus, he was hearthless. And then, in his animated short, we see Winona fixing the empathy module.

And then WX-78 crushes and utterly destroys this module, and uses the space left to add extra modules to give him more powers instead of empathy.

So is not impossible for Wendy to also expand her arsenal of abilities as well. And her trying things to learn how to bring the death back to live is completely in character with what Wendy would do, because there's nothing she would want more than bringing Abigail back to live if she could.

5 hours ago, Lee lol said:

Is Wendy willing to kill some creatures to help them get rid of the pain of life? Yes.

Does Wendy like and enjoy murder? No.

Is Wendy willing to gain power at the expense of other lives? Maybe not.

Many of the above are my personal speculations about Wendy's personality. You can disagree with me.

I believe Wendy felt numb after her loss, maybe she just went through the motions, maybe being surrounded by death made her feel closer to Abigail, since murder was her trigger.

Wendy has probably gotten used to murder creatures in the constant by now, like the rest of the survivors. And considering the death machine that is her sister, she's surrounded by the dead of many creatures at all times.

If the power was to bring the dead (Abigail) back to live, and the expense was some pigs, yeah, she would. Maybe she'll hesitate if it was other survivors or someone she cares about, but if she could get the power to bring Abigail back, I believe her threshold for what she's willing to do will lower.

 

 

[RussoDaFederal]

5 hours ago, Lee lol said:

She used to need it, but she didn't need it in DST. So can we think that the designer of DST changed some of her settings to make her behavior more in line with the background story?

That was a balance change and nothing more. So much so that they brought back the murder action to activate shadow Abi.

One of the main inspirations for Wendy was Wednesday Addams as far as I know. Have you guys watched The Addams Family movies from 1991 and 1993? They're both great. I'm pretty sure there's an interview where the devs confirm that. She's basically blonde Wednesday

[Steorra]

29 minutes ago, CremeLover said:

Wendy WAS obsessed with death.

If you don't think Wendy is necromancer based on this sentence then it's not debatable for me. Though I knew this sentence might described what in DS but not DST, and I would agree that characters were grown in DST so DS have few to do with what we are discussing here.

29 minutes ago, CremeLover said:

You could argue that

I won't. Most of your points make sense for me. I agree with most of them.

29 minutes ago, CremeLover said:

And her trying things to learn how to bring the death back to live is completely in character with what Wendy would do

I might agree with this, the only unacceptable thing for me is the crawling up animations of her skill reviving ability. It goes a bit far.

Also I don't think to change the recipe of butterfly from wings to petals would harm anything, it only avoided potential ooc possibility.

29 minutes ago, CremeLover said:

And no, she was never killing for mercy.

This could be debatable for me. Some quotes of Wendy shows that she knowing the cruelty of the world. She has a potential understanding of death as "Death is mercy for those who suffering in live." (Additionally this could be a common attitude to death of those who suffering with depression.)

I don't think there's no possibility of that Wendy might kill something for mercy. 

27 minutes ago, RussoDaFederal said:

One of the main inspirations for Wendy was Wednesday Addams as far as I know. Have you guys watched The Addams Family movies from 1991 and 1993? They're both great. I'm pretty sure there's an interview where the devs confirm that. She's basically blonde Wednesday

And abby was originally from the Salem Witch Hunt history I guess.

Wednesday was more similar to Wendy of her DS period, but during the DST stories Wendy seems a bit changed from DS.

[Lee lol]

2 hours ago, CremeLover said:

I view this as a sort of character development of sorts. Since DST canonically takes place after single player, you can assume some characters might change their perspective or personality a bit by interacting with other characters for a prolonged period of time.

So DST Wendy is a more "grown" and "adult" Wendy, at least mentally. I would assume eventually you would reach adulthood in your mentality if you spend the equivalent amount of time in the constant. Probably.

Wendy WAS obsessed with death. And no, she was never killing for mercy. Her personality might have change after the DST timeskip, but what originally attracted me to the character was how morbid her quotes were.

As Mike pointed out, you had to do a blood sacrifice to summon Abigail, which included anything.
Even you yourself dying was enough to summon Abigail, which was a funny in a morbid sort of way.

Wendy was never a necromancer. Abigail died, she tried to communicate with her (because dead people don't come back to live), and what I assume happened is that Maxwell showed up, made a deal with Wendy in his own twisted way, and brough her sister "from the dead", bound her soul to a flower, and threw Wendy in the constant. She's more of a spiritualist summoner than a necromancer, as Abigail is not really alive, even if she's not the one who casted the original spell on the flower, and she's just using Maxwell's twisted magic.

You could argue that, just like her personality, her understanding of death and spirits have expanded as she spent more time in the constant, and maybe even Maxwell, her uncle, let her peek at the codex umbra and explained some of what he did with Abigail, to expand her knowledge of spirits and summoning.

 

If you want some more evidence supporting the character development theory, in single player DS, WX-78's empathy module was not responding, and thus, he was hearthless. And then, in his animated short, we see Winona fixing the empathy module.

And then WX-78 crushes and utterly destroys this module, and uses the space left to add extra modules to give him more powers instead of empathy.

So is not impossible for Wendy to also expand her arsenal of abilities as well. And her trying things to learn how to bring the death back to live is completely in character with what Wendy would do, because there's nothing she would want more than bringing Abigail back to live if she could.

I believe Wendy felt numb after her loss, maybe she just went through the motions, maybe being surrounded by death made her feel closer to Abigail, since murder was her trigger.

Wendy has probably gotten used to murder creatures in the constant by now, like the rest of the survivors. And considering the death machine that is her sister, she's surrounded by the dead of many creatures at all times.

If the power was to bring the dead (Abigail) back to live, and the expense was some pigs, yeah, she would. Maybe she'll hesitate if it was other survivors or someone she cares about, but if she could get the power to bring Abigail back, I believe her threshold for what she's willing to do will lower.

 

 

It seems that the image of Wendy in everyone's mind is different. I think this is the charm of literary works. The designer leaves us room for interpretation.

 

Perhaps we don't want to associate Wendy with the necromancer, because the necromancer often represents evil, and we would rather believe that a girl who can't give up her sister, always depressed is a kind person.

2 hours ago, RussoDaFederal said:

That was a balance change and nothing more. So much so that they brought back the murder action to activate shadow Abi.

One of the main inspirations for Wendy was Wednesday Addams as far as I know. Have you guys watched The Addams Family movies from 1991 and 1993? They're both great. I'm pretty sure there's an interview where the devs confirm that. She's basically blonde Wednesday

I haven't seen this movie, but according to wiki, Wednesday is a Gothic girl? I'm not sure if this is consistent with Wendy in DST. Wendy in DST seems to be more melancholy and sentimental, full of literary temperament, and her personality is quieter. I don't know what Wendy was like in the developer's original imagination. I can only outline her according to the lines in DST, animated shorts and DST wiki, so my guess is not necessarily accurate.

[CremeLover]

5 hours ago, Lee lol said:

It seems that the image of Wendy in everyone's mind is different. I think this is the charm of literary works. The designer leaves us room for interpretation.

 

Perhaps we don't want to associate Wendy with the necromancer, because the necromancer often represents evil, and we would rather believe that a girl who can't give up her sister, always depressed is a kind person.

Seeing the horrors the constant has thrown at the survivors, I believe they would use all the means at their disposal rather than being eaten alive and have their flesh torn appart by hounds again and again. See Wanda's quote for nightmare fuel:

Nightmare Fuel- "A necessary evil."

I do belive she's a kid who has lost a very important part of herself, birth twins that grow up together and do everything together are very close, and if there was a way to connect with her again, or to make her come back to life, she would take it. As proven by the deal with Maxwell.

In regards to resurrection... In this game, resurrection is mostly associated with souls and magic.

Life Giving Amulet: Red Gem and Nightmare Fuel. Red gems are associated with Fire and Life, and Nightmare Fuel is shadow magic
Telltale Heart: Health, a gland, and grass. I always associated this with sharing your life with another player, as it cost your own health to craft it, and is heart shaped.
Meat Effigy: Wood, Beard Hair, Meat (health in dst). This makes a wooden puppet, that upon death, is possesed by the person attuned to it, and uses either the meat or the health use to craft it to bring the user back to life. Possibly related to Voodoo and posession.
Touch Stone: Hammering gives pig skin. We don't have much information on these, other than them being surrounded by pig heads and being some kind of ritual stone. Also possibly being a Narnia reference.
Second Chance Watch: Literally turn back time.
Rose-Colored Glasses: Winona exclusive. Her sister uses the power of the throne to give her a second chance.
Perennial Altar: Health, Mourning Glory, Cut Stone. The health, similarly to Telltale Heart and Meat Effigy, is to share the life with the vessel, and the mourning glory to bind it. Only difference would be Wendy is using a grave to bury it instead of displaying it for all to see like a meat effigy.

You can see it as a form of necromancy, or soul magic, as she only interacts with the soul aspect of resurrection, and the rest is usual magic from the constant. So while she does dwelve a bit into the necromancer skill tree, she focus primarily on the soul part.
In the Don't Starve universe, there is not a Cleric like profession, as the magic in the constant is more fleshy and raw, rather than mystical and fantastic, so if Wendy wants to maybe one day find a way to use the constant magic to eventually bring her sister back to live, she's going to have to dwelve into souls and resurrecting the dead. We know by her quotes she have tried to bring Abigail back to life with some of the ressurection tools, and she's even the one who makes the Telltale heart in the launch trailer, and doesn't look that disturbed by it.

In regards to her personality, there's no denying that her quotes are amongs the most morbid, cold blooded and gloomy in the entire cast, even if she has mellowed out somewhat in the multiplayer, which makes it more meaninful when you can see the kid underneath:

-Clean Sweeper- "Change is... not always terrible."

-Potter's Wheel- "That looks... f-fun..."

-Den Decorating Set- "I wonder if I might ask to borrow some colored pencils..."

And cute when she's interacting with other survivors

-Warrior, Cave, and Shatter Switcherdoodle- "Very well, since you made the cookies you can bring one spider friend to our tea party."

Moon Stone (repaired, Star Caller's Staff placed)- "Perhaps it thirsts for a sacrifice. Where's Webber..."

In the end, I believe researching ghost, ectoplasm, and bringing the death back to live is exactly what Wendy would focus on, even more so than getting out of the constant, as there at least she has Abigail with her... and if given the chance to leave I doubt she would choose to leave Abigail behind.

 

Also, fun fact, we literally gather bone fragments from the caves, make a skeleton out of them, use shadow magic to bring it back to live, and manipulate it with the shadow thurible. I would argue this is closer to necromancy that whatever Wendy does.
And on a strange place, where having your flesh torn appart by dogs, being skewered by hundreds of deerclops icicles, having the forest rise up and attack you, and other fun horrors courtesy of Maxwell are your day to day, repeated in an endless eternal cycle, I'd say you'd be more willing to do whatever you can to help yourself and those around you.

You don't have to agree, this is just how I see the character and the world of the constant, a kid in mourning willing to do anything for the chance of recovering what she values most, and a world that seeks to inflict endless suffering and death upon her and the rest of the misfit survivors she now has to learn to live together with. She probably yearns to escape this place and go back home with Abigail.

EDIT: After thinking it through, mourning glory are literally labeled Ghost Flower on the code, and many characters refer to it as a flower, so is more likely a parting gift from the pipspook as a form of thanks, rather than a ghost or soul fragment, so maybe they are the thankful feelings of the ghosts taking ectoplasmic form, and what Wendy uses is positive ghostly residue, which makes more a medium or a spiritist rather than anything related with souls, and it uses the ectoplasmic energy to power up another ghost, her sister.

[Mysterious box]

12 hours ago, Lee lol said:

She used to need it, but she didn't need it in DST. So can we think that the designer of DST changed some of her settings to make her behavior more in line with the background story?

I agree that Wendy would do some crazy things to resurrect Abigail, including the murder of small animals like butterflies... But she didn't really succeed, did she? Similarly, there are some differences between "murdering animals in order to resurrect relatives" and "necromancer who manipulate death in order to gain power"...

 

Will Wendy murder animals for Abigail? Yes.

 

Is Wendy willing to kill some creatures to help them get rid of the pain of life? Yes.

 

Does Wendy like and enjoy murder? No.

 

Is Wendy willing to gain power at the expense of other lives? Maybe not.

Many of the above are my personal speculations about Wendy's personality. You can disagree with me.

Also I believe that whether Tencent owns Klei’s shares has nothing to do with the content of this post. 

I don't see Wendy as someone who isn't willing to sacrifice others for the sake of her goals so long as it doesn't negatively affect those she actually cares about I feel like it's very in line with the crazy nature of the original don't starve cast. Bad things did happen to them but I don't see the original cast as "good people" and that's not to put them in a negative light just making them more realistic at least until don't starve started softening it's tone like it has in more recent years.

Wilson felt like someone who would do anything to succeed at science just that Maxwell found him before he became even more extreme

Willow's obessesion with fire made her more or less not care how it affected people around her even if she didn't mean them harm specifically

Wendy crossed lines to bring her sister back and would have likely crossed any line to bring her sister back fully

Spoiler

Which in a alternative timeline could have been a interesting twist in the triumphant design where it could have been she was willing to sit on the throne and sacrifice people to sustain her sister

I feel like Wx would have 100% gone on to kill people

Maxwell...well not much needed there

Wolfgang was a scammer though we really only learned about that more recently

I won't go into everyone and there are definitely outliers.

59 minutes ago, CremeLover said:

Seeing the horrors the constant has thrown at the survivors, I believe they would use all the means at their disposal rather than being eaten alive and have their flesh torn appart by hounds again and again. See Wanda's quote for nightmare fuel:

Nightmare Fuel- "A necessary evil."

I do belive she's a kid who has lost a very important part of herself, birth twins that grow up together and do everything together are very close, and if there was a way to connect with her again, or to make her come back to life, she would take it. As proven by the deal with Maxwell.

In regards to resurrection... In this game, resurrection is mostly associated with souls and magic.

Life Giving Amulet: Red Gem and Nightmare Fuel. Red gems are associated with Fire and Life, and Nightmare Fuel is shadow magic
Telltale Heart: Health, a gland, and grass. I always associated this with sharing your life with another player, as it cost your own health to craft it, and is heart shaped.
Meat Effigy: Wood, Beard Hair, Meat (health in dst). This makes a wooden puppet, that upon death, is possesed by the person attuned to it, and uses either the meat or the health use to craft it to bring the user back to life. Possibly related to Voodoo and posession.
Touch Stone: Hammering gives pig skin. We don't have much information on these, other than them being surrounded by pig heads and being some kind of ritual stone. Also possibly being a Narnia reference.
Second Chance Watch: Literally turn back time.
Rose-Colored Glasses: Winona exclusive. Her sister uses the power of the throne to give her a second chance.
Perennial Altar: Health, Mourning Glory, Cut Stone. The health, similarly to Telltale Heart and Meat Effigy, is to share the life with the vessel, and the mourning glory to bind it. Only difference would be Wendy is using a grave to bury it instead of displaying it for all to see like a meat effigy.

You can see it as a form of necromancy, or soul magic, as she only interacts with the soul aspect of resurrection, and the rest is usual magic from the constant. So while she does dwelve a bit into the necromancer skill tree, she focus primarily on the soul part.
In the Don't Starve universe, there is not a Cleric like profession, as the magic in the constant is more fleshy and raw, rather than mystical and fantastic, so if Wendy wants to maybe one day find a way to use the constant magic to eventually bring her sister back to live, she's going to have to dwelve into souls and resurrecting the dead. We know by her quotes she have tried to bring Abigail back to life with some of the ressurection tools, and she's even the one who makes the Telltale heart in the launch trailer, and doesn't look that disturbed by it.

 

In regards to her personality, there's no denying that her quotes are amongs the most morbid, cold blooded and gloomy in the entire cast, even if she has mellowed out somewhat in the multiplayer, which makes it more meaninful when you can see the kid underneath:

-Clean Sweeper- "Change is... not always terrible."

-Potter's Wheel- "That looks... f-fun..."

-Den Decorating Set- "I wonder if I might ask to borrow some colored pencils..."

And cute when she's interacting with other survivors

-Warrior, Cave, and Shatter Switcherdoodle- "Very well, since you made the cookies you can bring one spider friend to our tea party."

Moon Stone (repaired, Star Caller's Staff placed)- "Perhaps it thirsts for a sacrifice. Where's Webber..."

In the end, I believe researching ghost, ectoplasm, and bringing the death back to live is exactly what Wendy would focus on, even more so than getting out of the constant, as there at least she has Abigail with her... and if given the chance to leave I doubt she would choose to leave Abigail behind.

 

Also, fun fact, we literally gather bone fragments from the caves, make a skeleton out of them, use shadow magic to bring it back to live, and manipulate it with the shadow thurible. I would argue this is closer to necromancy that whatever Wendy does.
And on a strange place, where having your flesh torn appart by dogs, being skewered by hundreds of deerclops icicles, having the forest rise up and attack you, and other fun horrors courtesy of Maxwell are your day to day, repeated in an endless eternal cycle, I'd say you'd be more willing to do whatever you can to help yourself and those around you.

You don't have to agree, this is just how I see the character and the world of the constant, a kid in mourning willing to do anything for the chance of recovering what she values most, and a world that seeks to inflict endless suffering and death upon her and the rest of the misfit survivors she now has to learn to live together with. She probably yearns to escape this place and go back home with Abigail.

It's also worth adding that her alignments more or less imply she's willing to turn abigial into one of the shadow's or moon's forces if it means they'll bring Wendy back.

As unlike Wurt it can't even be argued she's too stupid to understand the consequences.

[Mike23Ua]

The characters in DS/DST are condemned for their actions in one way or another.. 

You can see evidence of this in Wagstaffs animated short, he was a thief pick pocketing everyone he came across and when he had a chance to save a man or save a photo projector, he took the projector leaving the man there to die.

My point is that these characters are quite literally “making a deal with the devil” when they manage to get pulled into the constant.

With one exception: Wes…

Wes was in the Wrong place, at the Wrong Time, he ended up being kidnapped in place of another man who Maxwell intended to snag instead.

Maxwells quote in Solo DS while examining Wes before you rescue and unlock Wes is “He angered Me..”

And if Wes accidentally took the place of a man who Maxwell was trying to catch- The mystery man who could have PROBABLY been the solution to getting everyone OUT, I’m sure Maxwell has plenty of reason to be angered by Wes’s existence.

(I could also easily see him trying to get information out of Wes & Wes being well unable to talk.)

Ahem anyway: Wendy is far FARRRR from “Innocent” she was dabbling in dark arts, and the devil took her to purgatory because of it. (the constant)

Every character in the game (with exception to Wurt and Wortox who were born there I think??) had immoral actions that put them there..

Walter breaks into Woodies cabin searching for the cursed Wereman..

Everyones got their “Deal” that put them there.

And I’m pretty sure murdering butterflies for Sayonce ingredients shoots Wendy right up there alongside a pick pocket who stole a projector leaving a man to die.

[Bumber64]

3 hours ago, CremeLover said:

Also, fun fact, we literally gather bone fragments from the caves, make a skeleton out of them, use shadow magic to bring it back to live, and manipulate it with the shadow thurible. I would argue this is closer to necromancy that whatever Wendy does.

You have to beat him once for the thurible. The first time you're just assembling some old mammoth bones and suddenly they start moving on their own.

Edit: Forgot the shadow atrium, which is probably what you meant.

[RussoDaFederal]

7 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

The characters in DS/DST are condemned for their actions in one way or another.. 

You can see evidence of this in Wagstaffs animated short, he was a thief pick pocketing everyone he came across and when he had a chance to save a man or save a photo projector, he took the projector leaving the man there to die.

My point is that these characters are quite literally “making a deal with the devil” when they manage to get pulled into the constant.

With one exception: Wes…

Wes was in the Wrong place, at the Wrong Time, he ended up being kidnapped in place of another man who Maxwell intended to snag instead.

Maxwells quote in Solo DS while examining Wes before you rescue and unlock Wes is “He angered Me..”

And if Wes accidentally took the place of a man who Maxwell was trying to catch- The mystery man who could have PROBABLY been the solution to getting everyone OUT, I’m sure Maxwell has plenty of reason to be angered by Wes’s existence.

(I could also easily see him trying to get information out of Wes & Wes being well unable to talk.)

Ahem anyway: Wendy is far FARRRR from “Innocent” she was dabbling in dark arts, and the devil took her to purgatory because of it. (the constant)

Every character in the game (with exception to Wurt and Wortox who were born there I think??) had immoral actions that put them there..

Walter breaks into Woodies cabin searching for the cursed Wereman..

Everyones got their “Deal” that put them there.

And I’m pretty sure murdering butterflies for Sayonce ingredients shoots Wendy right up there alongside a pick pocket who stole a projector leaving a man to die.

What did Warly do tho?

[Echsrick]

20 minutes ago, RussoDaFederal said:

What did Warly do tho?

 he made this

[RussoDaFederal]

11 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

 he made this

I didn't get the meme, sorry

[Lee lol]

7小时前，Mike23Ua说：

DS/DST中的角色因其行为而受到谴责。

你可以在Wagstaffs动画短片中看到这方面的证据，他是一个小偷，把遇到的每个人都装在口袋里，当他有机会拯救一个人或拯救一台投影仪时，他拿走了投影仪，把那个人留在那里死去。

我的观点是，当这些角色设法被拉入不变时，他们简直就是“与魔鬼达成协议”。

有一个例外：Wes...

Wes在错误的地方，在错误的时间，他最终被绑架了，取代了Maxwell打算抓住的另一个人。

在你拯救和解锁Wes之前，Maxwells在《Solo DS》中引用了Wes的话，“他激怒了我......”

如果Wes不小心取代了Maxwell试图抓住的人——这个神秘人可能是把所有人都弄出来的解决方案，我相信Maxwell有充分的理由对Wes的存在感到愤怒。

（我也很容易看到他试图从Wes & Wes身上获取信息，无法交谈。）

嗯，不管怎样：温迪与《无辜》相去甚远，她涉足黑暗艺术，魔鬼因此把她带到了炼狱。（不变的）

游戏中的每个角色（除了在那里出生的Wurt和Wortox??）有不道德的行为把他们放在那里..

沃尔特闯入伍迪的小屋，寻找被诅咒的人。

每个人都得到了他们的“交易”，让他们在那里。

我很确定为了Sayonce的食材而杀死蝴蝶，Wendy就在那里射杀了一个偷投影仪的镂子，留下一个男人死亡。

Wes is indeed an unlucky man. He is definitely the most innocent person in the constant. I agree that every character who enters the constant has their reasons. Maybe they have more or less made mistakes or studied shadow magic - they are not innocent.

 

Yes, the constant is a terrible place. Maybe they will change after entering constant, and they are no longer the same as before. You need to be cruel and cold to survive in a terrible place, which is in line with the tone of DST. It's just that I've been playing DST for too long and rarely feel the pressure of survival, so I more or less ignore this point.

 

PS. In fact, I don't strongly oppose Wendy's grave skills and resurrection skills. I just think it's interesting to discuss her character.

9小时前，神秘盒子说：

我不认为温迪是一个不愿意为了她的目标而牺牲他人的人，只要这不会对她真正关心的人产生负面影响，我觉得这与原版《不要挨饿》演员的疯狂性质非常一致。坏事确实发生在他们身上，但我不认为原始演员是“好人”，这不是让他们处于消极的地位，只是让他们更加现实，至少在不要像近年来那样开始软化它的基调之前。

Wilson觉得自己是一个愿意做任何事情来在科学上取得成功的人，只是Maxwell在他变得更加极端之前找到了他

Willow对火的痴迷让她或多或少不在乎它如何影响她周围的人，即使她没有特别想伤害他们

温迪越界把她的妹妹带回来，而且可能会越界把她的妹妹完全带回来

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Which in a alternative timeline could have been a interesting twist in the triumphant design where it could have been she was willing to sit on the throne and sacrifice people to sustain her sister

我觉得Wx会100%地继续杀人

Maxwell......嗯，那里不需要太多

沃尔夫冈是个骗子，尽管我们最近才真正了解到这一点

我不会进入每个人，肯定有异常值。

还值得补充的是，她的对齐或多或少意味着她愿意将阿比里亚尔变成阴影或月亮的力量之一，如果这意味着他们会把温迪带回来的话。

与Wurt不同，她太愚蠢了，甚至无法理解后果。

Yes, she will. She will do something evil for Abigail. But I still believe that she has compassion, and human nature is complicated.

[Mike23Ua]

45 minutes ago, RussoDaFederal said:

I didn't get the meme, sorry

It’s bone bullion, can only be made by using bone shards in the recipes, you can get those from hammering dead human skeletons.

But also more realistically: Warly creates Wes’s favorite food… so maybe While interrogation Wes (and failing) Maxwell found a photo of Warly in his wallet?

Or Warly made the deal with the devil to get back his mamanan’s and fading memory.

Regardless… Willow enjoyed playing with Fire using her lighter in real life, she was a pyromaniac.. not a magic using fire mage. If Wendy is OOC, Willow sure as heck over stepped that line a long time ago.

So why are we suddenly upset some of Wendy’s Kit feels OOC if we didn’t equally complain about Willows?

[Lee lol]

17分钟前，Mike23Ua说：

这是骨金条，只能在食谱中使用骨头碎片制作，你可以从锤击死人的骨骼中获得这些碎片。

但更现实的是：Warly创造了Wes最喜欢的食物......所以也许在审讯时，Wes（和失败）Maxwell在他的钱包里发现了一张Warly的照片？

或者Warly与魔鬼达成协议，找回他的妈妈和褪色的记忆。

不管怎样......Willow喜欢在现实生活中用她的打火机玩Fire，她是个纵火狂......而不是使用火法师的魔法师。如果Wendy是OOC，Willow肯定很久以前就越过了那条线。

那么，如果我们没有同样抱怨Willows，为什么我们突然感到不安，一些Wendy's Kit感觉OOC？

Obviously, because Wendy mains and Willow mains are not the same group of people.

I've played Willow for about hundreds of days, but I don't think her fire magic ooc. I think it's cool.

[IAmAFurrz]

On 12/20/2024 at 11:47 PM, Yifei_ said:

1. • Analysis: The dialogue “Death is but an inconvenience” is a serious misalignment with Wendy's character and backstory.

but thats the game saying it, not wendy?