"Some players are unwilling to learn or practice" is Misconception

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, gaymime said:

you think maxwell is op.

You may be blind to the others, or to the truth. None of my business.

I accept bosses challenge by using Maxwell if you want, but beside toads, it's boring.

If you have no interest, bye.

[Reiko24]

2 minutes ago, gaymime said:

you think maxwell is op.

Maxwell is OP but requires skill. They want Wendy to be OP but require no skill. That's the problem, right?

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Maxwell is OP but requires skill. They want Wendy to be OP but require no skill. That's the problem, right?

Gaymine: what OP? 

Me: what skill?

[SilverSpoon]

16 minutes ago, Lardee said:

But you have the incredibly OP option of bringing in friends on public servers.

No friend only griefers ; (

9 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Maxwell is OP but requires skill. They want Wendy to be OP but require no skill. That's the problem, right?

In that case, for make her less OP, I don't think it would be a happy option to make Abigail a glass cannon just like Maxie who is already known for uncle frail. If want to play with a glass cannon, should use Maxwell.

If there's anything to nerf, it would be Wendy's attack power.

[gaymime]

5 minutes ago, Reiko24 said:

Maxwell is OP but requires skill. They want Wendy to be OP but require no skill. That's the problem, right?

ii suppose if you take the personal investment out of it that is a valid interpretation. in truth i am just irked about people who don't play any of these characters(or play them only briefly) saying things about the characters that are heavily exaggerated or outright untrue. it feels the same as when someone only looks at the wikipedia page and assume they now know everything they need to have a conversation about it.

[Steorra]

19 minutes ago, SilverSpoon said:

No friend only griefers ; (

In that case, for make her less OP, I don't think it would be a happy option to make Abigail a glass cannon just like Maxie who is already known for uncle frail. If want to play with a glass cannon, should use Maxwell.

If there's anything to nerf, it would be Wendy's attack power.

Maxwell is more like a glass mouse destroyer, I guess...

[hyoton123]

3 hours ago, gaymime said:

maxwell is the character i play in pubs and with others.

Snipped your explanation but it’s crazy to me that people still dont understand how maxwell’s casting works. These people see one video and seem to think he presses a button and the boss falls over dead.

[Well-met]

2 minutes ago, hyoton123 said:

Snipped your explanation but it’s crazy to me that people still dont understand how maxwell’s casting works. These people see one video and seem to think he presses a button and the boss falls over dead.

Letting your duelists cut down everything that's stuck in your shadow prison isn't exactly the epitome of effort either.

[hyoton123]

58 minutes ago, Well-met said:

Letting your duelists cut down everything that's stuck in your shadow prison isn't exactly the epitome of effort either.

Its very maxwell-y, though. (i think gaymime explained the difficulties?)

[Yifei_]

4 hours ago, Lardee said:

But you have the incredibly OP option of bringing in friends on public servers. Also, nice strat to trigger the Werepig's fatigue with the ice staff.

Indeed, the difficulty of this boss will significantly decrease with more people, but in some long-term servers, there will still be situations where one has to face it alone.
I have also practiced fighting without the ice staff to adapt to situations when I don't have a ranged weapon, which requires more precise positioning.
 

4 hours ago, Lardee said:

Some characters require more skill than others depending on the situation. Bringing up AF and CC in order to make an argument about how difficult new players have it is kind of wild. If we're talking about new players, Wendy offers way more advantages to them than Wigfrid, Willow, Wolfgang, Wortox and Maxwell. That's the tradeoff. Some characters have it easier than others depending on the situation.

I haven't elaborated much on this aspect because it's not the core theme of my post. Indeed, discussing only the boss fights in AF and CC is one-sided. It would be best to analyze comprehensively, taking into account boss fight capabilities, daily mob clearing capabilities, resource gathering capabilities, team support capabilities, and rapid support capabilities, among other aspects. However, I was concerned about deviating from the topic, so I didn't say much. If this has caused any misunderstanding, I apologize.

4 hours ago, Lardee said:

There solution for Abigail's survivability is to constantly apply Spectral Cure All to her which is a tactic that is totally viable now considering each pipspook gives you enough to last you half a game day. And in the case Abigail does die, you bring her back with Ghastly Experience.

Having the ability to increase Abigail's HP by 300 at the sisturn would make this even easier.

The second is Gestalt Abigail.

I believe that if the AI and transformation methods of Gestalt Abigail are optimized, there might not be as much controversy. However, as it stands, the design of Gestalt Abigail is still very imperfect, even including a seemingly reasonable but actually extremely poor setting like "stealth out of combat" below 25% health. I hope Klei can further optimize Gestalt Abigail and make its distinction from Shadow Abigail more apparent.

7 hours ago, Gashzer said:

If you played Wilson solo for 50hours, you should be pretty good at the game.

50 hours? Are you sure? Or perhaps we have a different understanding of "pretty good"? When I played for 50 hours, I had just learned to deal with the changes of the four seasons and their respective bosses, and perhaps had just started exploring Moonland. At that time, I hadn't even seen the ruins. Of course, it's also possible that you have exceptional learning abilities, and 50 hours is enough for you to master every boss, including those like CC and AF.

[Yifei_]

8 hours ago, hyoton123 said:

As far as the characters you mentioned, a beginner is going to have a harder time learning songs, max's spells and duelist management, souls, even the mightiness meter, and is 100% not going to have a CC kill for lunar flames. And bernie isn't well documented AFAIK. New players are not gathering the marble pieces and invading the ruins to start fuelweaver. (Wendy's good in the ruins anyway). (That said, beginners should be playing wigfrid anyway.) She's basically half of the quintessential Don't Starve Together experience along with Wilson, IMO.

From my personal experience in clearing the ruins, Wendy is among the weaker ones. I have practiced clearing the ruins with Willow, Wolfgang, Wes, and Wendy starting out. With Willow and Wolfgang, I can clear all the ruins within 9 to 10 days of starting, but Wendy takes more than 12 days (the exact time may depend on the size of the ruins and map spawns). I haven't tested with other characters.

I know what Wendy's advantages are in the ruins; many videos explain them, so I won't repeat them here. I might have been too brief on the differences between characters in my post, mainly because I was worried about going off-topic.

[Cassielu]

...Are you trying to prove yourself to someone? It's totally unnecessary.

[hyoton123]

25 minutes ago, Yifei_ said:

From my personal experience in clearing the ruins, Wendy is among the weaker ones. I have practiced clearing the ruins with Willow, Wolfgang, Wes, and Wendy starting out. With Willow and Wolfgang, I can clear all the ruins within 9 to 10 days of starting, but Wendy takes more than 12 days (the exact time may depend on the size of the ruins and map spawns). 

Good in the ruins means in context of the above - a beginner exploring the ruins, slow and safe. I don’t expect her to outpace wolf or willow spells (or willows tank), but she’s got a better chance against splumonkeys, knights, bishops, spiders; everything except rooks, and has good food generation. It’s a little apples to oranges anyway because Willow has a skill tree which bears to some degree on the ruins anyway; I dont remember wolfgang offhand, but obviously he has a bunch of advantages for fast clearing stuff.

[Evelo]

9 hours ago, Yifei_ said:

What I want to say is that the notion that "Chinese players are unwilling to learn or practice" is a misconception.

I haven't seen this stated anywhere besides here.

[Yifei_]

3 minutes ago, Evelo said:

I haven't seen this stated anywhere besides here.

I have indeed seen similar remarks elsewhere, but I might need to look for them.
However, you are right, I should not emphasize the group of "Chinese." It's very bad to divide the player community in this way. I am truly sorry for that.

[Lee lol]

1 minute ago, Yifei_ said:

I have indeed seen similar remarks elsewhere, but I might need to look for them.
However, you are right, I should not emphasize the group of "Chinese." It's very bad to divide the player community in this way. I am truly sorry for that.

If they started it first, why would you apologize?

[Yifei_]

13 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

If they started it first, why would you apologize?

I did so because I linked the player group in the post to Chinese. Game perspectives and understandings should not be related to nationality. I am concerned that this might cause more misunderstandings.


I remember seeing comments specifically emphasizing "Chinese players" on YouTube, not on forums.
I have slightly modified the title and content, and I hope it won't cause any more misunderstandings.

[Littlefat1213]

8 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Well i have similar play time to you and I have no issue using wendy to kill bosses.

If Wendy is your main and if you are having difficulty getting better. I would recommend playing the game as Wilson for a while. 

Wilson's main strength is that he has no real gimmicks. So you are forced to play the game in a vanilla way that makes your basic skills better. Which in turn makes you play all characters better.

how do you get Abi to dodge boss attack ? Abi always died and consumed quite a few Spectral Cure-All in my boss fight. The Spectral Cure-All cost a heart and it's not a cheap stuff. It just feels like i'm playing with a noob and she keep dying and waste my heart.

[Evelo]

2 hours ago, Lee lol said:

If they started it first

Comments like this are exactly what Yifei is apologizing for (I believe). Intentionally trying to avoid creating "Us vs Them". Tribalism is dangerous and leads no where. Certain individuals are offensive regardless of nationality. Where they come from does not matter. It is their opinions and actions that matter.

[Steorra]

9 hours ago, hyoton123 said:

Its very maxwell-y, though. (i think gaymime explained the difficulties?)

The difficulties does no matter for me.

So i was ask him "you may ask some boss challenge and I would just show you how brain-dead Maxwell could be for killing them"

The first boss I killed by using Maxwell as a newcomer is Bee Queen.

I admit that for BQ Wendy could more easier than Maxwell.

But I have no idea for other bosses why Maxwell could be harder than Wendy.

Maybe to prison the bosses then fighting two shadow creatures and waiting the boss cutted down by Duelists is really tough for some people? Ah yeah Shadow creature is danger, then why people just ignore Wendy's downside of engaging Shadow Creatures?

Flexible standard kek.