Medium is not a Necromancer

[Steorra]

Since Wendy seems start to develop her business of occult into necromancy, I guess there's a need to point out this thing.

Medium is focusing on to build connect with spirit, but not to revive dead things into alive. 

Some current skills of Wendy start to be weird, and they are inconsistent with original Wendy background story.

 

More details -

The revive altar skill need animation change as I think, currently it seems like crawling up from a tomb.

The butterfly recipe seems like to revive butterfly by consuming mourning glorious. I think it should be change from butterfly wings + mourning glorious into petals + mourning glorious.

[Well-met]

3 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

True, but would you care to go more into detail? Describe the skills you are referring to and why their approach is conflicting with Wendy's character. 

the grave revive.

[Lee lol]

6 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

True, but would you care to go more into detail? Describe the skills you are referring to and why their approach is conflicting with Wendy's character. 

I think she was referring to crawling out of the ground like a zombie. Regarding communicating with spirits, I see a good comment in the following thread: he mentions making it possible for Wendy to talk to ghosts, fulfill their wishes and then hire them, although I believe it must mean a lot of work for the developers

 

1 minute ago, Lee lol said:

I think she was referring to crawling out of the ground like a zombie. Regarding communicating with spirits, I see a good comment in the following thread: he mentions making it possible for Wendy to talk to ghosts, fulfill their wishes and then hire them, although I believe it must mean a lot of work for the developers

 

BTW, I personally have no problem with the resurrection of the grave, I just think it should have some additional benefits, otherwise it is no different from the Flesh Block statue

[Mysterious box]

4 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

And reviving butterflies as well, I presume?

While I get why they added it I feel like that's definitely the odd one out. I feel like a funny idea would have been to allow shadow aligned abigail's spook to immobilize rabbits allowing you to pick them up as murder targets.

[Steorra]

4 minutes ago, Well-met said:

the grave revive.

So does the butterfly revive.

 

At least the altar revive skill need adjustment for the animation which looks like crawling up from a tomb.

 

And I think the butterfly revive recipe need adjustment as well - to change the butterfly wings into petals. Then it would be better.

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, Steorra said:

And I think the butterfly revive recipe need adjustment as well - to change the butterfly wings into petals. Then it would be better.

Why not just plant flowers?

[Lee lol]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

蝴蝶也复活了。

 

至少祭坛复活技能需要调整动画，看起来像是从坟墓里爬出来的。

 

我认为蝴蝶复活配方也需要调整 - 将蝴蝶翅膀变成花瓣。那就更好了。

This sounds reasonable, but it's not very useful, the petals are easy to obtain, and the shadow line also needs to murder butterflies

[Steorra]

19 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

True, but would you care to go more into detail? Describe the skills you are referring to and why their approach is conflicting with Wendy's character. 

Have just edited the details into the original post...

6 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

This sounds reasonable, but it's not very useful, the petals are easy to obtain, and the shadow line also needs to murder butterflies

Hmm, i mean to change the butterfly recipe.

Before:

butterfly wings + mourning glorious = butterfly 

After:

petals + mourning glorious = butterfly 

[Lee lol]

2 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Have just edited the details into the original post...

Hmm, i mean to change the butterfly recipe.

Before:

butterfly wings + mourning glorious = butterfly 

After:

petals + mourning glorious = butterfly 

That make more sense. Thx

[Steorra]

10 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Why not just plant flowers?

Guess there's some misunderstood I'm sorry, I mean to change the recipe materials from butterfly wing + mourning glorious into petals + mourning glorious 

14 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

While I get why they added it I feel like that's definitely the odd one out. I feel like a funny idea would have been to allow shadow aligned abigail's spook to immobilize rabbits allowing you to pick them up as murder targets.

This idea sounds fun and brilliant, I like this www

8 minutes ago, Fitzee said:

My suggestions for her primarily involves increasing the buff duration by a large amount, even having to sacrifice near a sisturn or another structure to achieve it; this would invoke a "sacrificial ritual" playstyle that I think aligns with the occult theme too.

This "sacrificial ritual" idea sounds more reasonable for the background story.

[Echsrick]

who is medium?

[Lee lol]

23 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

who is medium?

Wendy, (I think it's a translation problem) in the backstory she mastered spiritism (the ability to communicate with the dead) in order to resurrect Abigail

[Tranoze]

1 hour ago, Steorra said:

Medium is focusing on to build connect with spirit, but not to revive dead things into alive.

8 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

Wendy, (I think it's a translation problem) in the backstory she mastered spiritism (the ability to communicate with the dead) in order to resurrect Abigail

you two go agrue with each other.

1 hour ago, Steorra said:

The revive altar skill need animation change as I think, currently it seems like crawling up from a tomb.

I really like how character crawling up from a tomb, it's cool how resurrect can be done. So i disagree with you.

[Lee lol]

2 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

you two go agrue with each other.

Well, I guess I mean Wendy mastered spiritism while looking for a way to bring Abigail back to life, not that she can bring the dead back to life. If she can resurrect others, why not bring Abigail back to life?

[Tranoze]

5 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

Well, I guess I mean Wendy mastered spiritism while looking for a way to bring Abigail back to life, not that she can bring the dead back to life. If she can resurrect others, why not bring Abigail back to life?

atleast she trying to. How she fail, we dont know yet, just like how all other form of resurrection fail to resurrect abi.
Her resurrection power come from years of learning how to resurrect abi.

[Steorra]

17 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

you two go agrue with each other.

Don't think so. Abi is in a form of spirit. Spiritual work is not corpse work.

[BudinDePan]

As some have pointed out, i dont think its off character for her to learn to revive people. Its probably what she is thinking all the time, how to revive her dear sister. Ofc none of the revive systems known by the survivors works in her coz reasons, but seems pretty on character for her to be more focus on the matter than the rest.

Also a medium is a person that acts like a channel between the dead and the living, no simply a person with conection with ghosts. And a necreomancer isnt a priests who revives people, a necromancer just manipulates the dead.

[Echsrick]

15 minutes ago, Steorra said:

Don't think so. Abi is in a form of spirit. Spiritual work is not corpse work.

you do realize how other ghost players revvive right? they themselfs turn into a ghost or spirit

[Steorra]

5 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

you do realize how other ghost players revvive right? they themselfs turn into a ghost or spirit

The point is here, the butterfly wings is a "corpse" for a living butterfly, not the spirit or ghost.

[Tarnishedmax]

Her entire character revolves around death, her reviving butterflies that are directly tied to flowers with ghostly spooky flowers kinda just makes sense? Wendy as a character is part necromancer as the main reason she even got into spiritual stuff was to revive and communicate with her sister, the only reason she cannot revive Abby is because Abby was dead long before they went into the constant, every character in this game is one directional and all follow a simple theme, Walter is fearless (dumb) and obsessed with nature, Willow loves fire, Wickerbottom is obsessed with books and study and Wendy is no exception of this, she is a little depressed girl who can communicate and play with the dead, her having graveyard skills and necromancy is not far fetched from what she already did as a character, im not saying characters are simple because they are not, they are very unique and are all fun but my point is that necromancy does in fact fits Wendy (also just look at her portrait, she is sitting on top of a grave)

i don’t think changing the recipe to require a petal is a good idea, as it forces you to pick flowers to create butterflies which is in turn more expensive than just killing butterflies and multiplying flowers this way, it just makes it more annoying if anything.

Also as a side note, when you revive characters you are basically doing necromancy, literally bringing the dead back to living, its not that she doesn’t know how to revive corpses but rather that dst by itself simply does not have corpses and everyone turns into a classic bed sheet ghost because it’s silly.

1 hour ago, Lee lol said:

If she can resurrect others, why not bring Abigail back to life?

Because she literally can’t, she has stated multiple times with various items how many things she has tried that work on others, such as the heart and life giving amulet and how sad she is about them not working, my assumption is that because Abigail died in the real world and not on the constant, her soul is not bound to the rules of the constant, meaning that in a way she is dead for real instead of this fake death everyone experiences while inside the constant.

[Lee lol]

10 minutes ago, Tarnishedmax said:

Her entire character revolves around death, her reviving butterflies that are directly tied to flowers with ghostly spooky flowers kinda just makes sense? Wendy as a character is part necromancer as the main reason she even got into spiritual stuff was to revive and communicate with her sister, the only reason she cannot revive Abby is because Abby was dead long before they went into the constant, every character in this game is one directional and all follow a simple theme, Walter is fearless (dumb) and obsessed with nature, Willow loves fire, Wickerbottom is obsessed with books and study and Wendy is no exception of this, she is a little depressed girl who can communicate and play with the dead, her having graveyard skills and necromancy is not far fetched from what she already did as a character, im not saying characters are simple because they are not, they are very unique and are all fun but my point is that necromancy does in fact fits Wendy (also just look at her portrait, she is sitting on top of a grave)

i don’t think changing the recipe to require a petal is a good idea, as it forces you to pick flowers to create butterflies which is in turn more expensive than just killing butterflies and multiplying flowers this way, it just makes it more annoying if anything.

Also as a side note, when you revive characters you are basically doing necromancy, literally bringing the dead back to living, its not that she doesn’t know how to revive corpses but rather that dst by itself simply does not have corpses and everyone turns into a classic bed sheet ghost because it’s silly.

Because she literally can’t, she has stated multiple times with various items how many things she has tried that work on others, such as the heart and life giving amulet and how sad she is about them not working, my assumption is that because Abigail died in the real world and not on the constant, her soul is not bound to the rules of the constant, meaning that in a way she is dead for real instead of this fake death everyone experiences while inside the constant.

Very sad to hear that, but logical. Thanks for the clarification.