[Poll] On Walter, Wendy and Wortox's Current Skilltrees, Premortem (v3)

[GetNerfedOn]

Poll made to gauge sentiments during the third patch in beta, check it out here:

For those interested, previous patch polls here:

Spoiler

 

And for a more indepth poll into Wendy's Skill Tree, check out @WenericMember's poll:

As always, feel free to vote and discuss!

[Echsrick]

wendy is good

wortox is fine i just wish for a small thing to give knapsack a bugnet function and the locks to be only needing 3 points needed and/or neutral skills workin for the locks aswell for more player build freedom, and some small "visual like things" like the shadow reaper having unique speech for wortox and him having unique nice/naughty idle animations

walter....i wish he would not be so much about the slingshot, walter realy needs something more interesting things

[Dingle]

42 minutes ago, Echsrick said:

wendy is good

wortox is fine i just wish for a small thing to give knapsack a bugnet function and the locks to be only needing 3 points needed and/or neutral skills workin for the locks aswell for more player build freedom, and some small "visual like things" like the shadow reaper having unique speech for wortox and him having unique nice/naughty idle animations

walter....i wish he would not be so much about the slingshot, walter realy needs something more interesting things

For Wortox, in addition to nabsack changes (bug net and not doing the slow pickup on spacebar), I'd like some visual indicator on Wortox or on his red trail that his echo is ending.

There's other things too but I think the devs already know and rejected it.

[Hollow soul 3]

For wortox, it's not looking like it's ready to go out to console.

[ApoIIo]

6 minutes ago, Dingle said:

For Wortox, in addition to nabsack changes (bug net and not doing the slow pickup on spacebar), I'd like some visual indicator on Wortox or on his red trail that his echo is ending.

There's other things too but I think the devs already know and rejected it.

I just really want Wortox reaping to have unique vfx, give him a side swiiiiipe
Also need to be able to see his aoe radius better with it

[SilverSpoon]

Wendy

Mourning wreath is good stuff, but in the current specifications, Wendy's role for Mourning wreath is limited to "collecting Mourning Glory" and "collecting elixirs", and I would like the effects of the elixirs to be more buff and unique.
My suggestion for this has already been posted

Abigail is still too vulnerable. DST bosses are designed to have appropriate damage for "player tagged characters" who are "wearing appropriate armor", so Abigail that take twice as much damage as players would take because she isn't player tagged, have AI that onslaughts at the boss, have limited direct control, and only have 600 HP are far behind in game inflation. Also, and I strongly emphasize this, no one said "make to be able facetank by Abigail" or "make to be beat all bosses AFK by Abigail"

Walter

I think he's too focused on combat overall. Personally, I think his role is more of a survivor or explorer than a fighter, so I'd like some additional implementations for that. For example, a tool to search for supplies like Wheeler's compass, a better Drying Rack for him, or a telescope or flag for mapping.

I don't so like waits in a tent roll to heal, so I think it would be nice if I can shortened the waiting time.

Wortox

No personal requests for him. I think he's gotten better.

[WANZUN]

试图把一坨端上正式版，真的会挨骂的。

[Memetan]

Just to remember that Walter skill tree is not going to be ready for the update, they already said that they will finish it after Chrismas break.

Slingshot: still bugged and not Lunar affinity damage bonus, only shadow.

Woby: Filler skills until Christmas break.

Walter or Survival skills: None, maybe after Christmas too?

[gaymime]

2 minutes ago, Memetan said:

Just to remember that Walter skill tree is not going to be ready for the update, they already said that they will finish it after Chrismas break.

Slingshot: still bugged and not Lunar affinity damage bonus, only shadow.

Woby: Filler skills until Christmas break.

Walter or Survival skills: None, maybe after Christmas too?

link? i didnt see that post x_x

[Mysterious box]

I wish this poll had options between satisfied, no strong feelings, and unsatisfied as there's too big of a gap in the meanings in my opinion...

3 minutes ago, gaymime said:

link? i didnt see that post x_x

We plan to continue working on Woby and expanding the skilltree, but these changes may not make sense to release one bit at a time, so they will likely come in a larger patch later, possibly after our Christmas break.

 

They've not said they're gonna release the update as is but people seem to be assuming they will though it would also be odd to keep the beta going throughout their christmas break.

Either way they definitely deserve a break from this and I hope they enjoy their time off.

[GetNerfedOn]

3 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I wish this poll had options between satisfied, no strong feelings, and unsatisfied as there's too big of a gap in the meanings in my opinion...

 

Id say it adds more complexity than id like in terms of describing relatively general phenomena, and forumgoers like less choices

Grabted this is a klei forums poll no empirical evidence or verification points to it being a sound research instrument but we try

I will try adding Somewhat Satisfied and Somewhat Dissatisfied in future polls as a test, however. Thanks 

[Ugur01]

Even though there was no patch in between, the difference between this survey and the survey whose link I shared is surprising to me.

[WenericMember]

1 hour ago, Ugur01 said:

Even though there was no patch in between, the difference between this survey and the survey whose link I shared is surprising to me.

Thats stuck out to me to, I wonder why. My best guess is based on the time zones the polls were released. 

In regatds to the skill trees, wortoxes is fantastic, walters is servicable, Wendys is close to being amazing, but team spirit, gravestones and mg need some buffs/qol.

[GetNerfedOn]

2 hours ago, WenericMember said:

Thats stuck out to me to, I wonder why. My best guess is based on the time zones the polls were released

Release Interval is a definite factor.

Despite my constant think that it isn't the case, initial release period really contains the strongest possible sentiments from respondents, so my strategy of giving people time to think prior to releasing a poll is less effective in terms of gathering the most or the strongest responses.

However as we can note there's a discrepancy between results, one of which I won't attempt to pretend to understand. Perhaps it's because over time as people interact with the update more, their initial strong feelings have subsided with increased experience or understanding of the content. People mentioned potential foul play in your poll and some people have mentioned forum migration for the sake of expressing their discontent, but overall for so long as a poll is validly constructed/not skewed even negative responses are valid responses.

I do polls with the assumption that they're only indicators of sentiment and not actual research instruments in mind, but we can definitely make them more valuable

[Koomin]

Walter:
Has a really small number of skill choices.  Should have more skills added that relate to feeding Woby, campfires, trees, bees, or just something that is not combat and gives him an equal amount of perk options to the others.  Would love an option to craft non-perishable Woby food for example.

Wendy:
Good all around except for tuning down Shadow Abigail's insane dps to be equal power to Gestalt Abigail.  Suggest lowering damage total and shifting some normal damage to planar damage for both Shadow Abigail and her vex, since Abigail is still weaker post-rift (reduce early power, increase late)

Wortox:
Could use some small adjustments to soul pierce scaling and knabsack (vfx, not nabbing everything inconveniently, some minor use case later in game)

[Wendigail]

Walter still has a lot of unfinished work, so he still has great potential. However, the developers know his shortcomings, such as improving his ability to use slingshots, which is indeed a unique combat style that sets him apart from other characters.

[usagiP]

2 hours ago, WenericMember said:

Wendys is close to being amazing, but team spirit, gravestones and mg need some buffs/qol.

I don't know, it seems like the developers are being a bit too cautious. These skills are hardly used in regular gameplay, or it's just really difficult to use them
The buffs provided by the elixirs seem trivial, like a sister just giving Wendy a tiny taste... I dare say giving Wendy some buffs is the right thing to do, but since we've already occupied a head slot, it makes sense to provide some more useful buffs; otherwise, it's really just a decoration... What I mean is, there are headgear options that are much easier to obtain and have far better effects.
Mourning Glory is different from Soul or Ethereal Ember; the latter two can be easily obtained while on the way, whereas the former cannot. This is a distinction that I think should be noted

Additionally, I feel that the skill tree update is partly about QOL and partly about helping players face the dangerous Fissure, but I feel like something is off with both aspects...

[Steorra]

5 hours ago, Ugur01 said:

Even though there was no patch in between, the difference between this survey and the survey whose link I shared is surprising to me.

What if the result of a particular survey is not what I expected?

- redo the survey again later. Then there is a chance to avoid those who voted unwanted options.

[WenericMember]

18 minutes ago, Steorra said:

What if the result of a particular survey is not what I expected?

- redo the survey again later. Then there is a chance to avoid those who voted unwanted options.

...

Alternatively, this is a more general poll that isnt particularly focused on Wendy and is made by someone completely different to mine. Theres no grand conspiracy here.

[Steorra]

9 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

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Alternatively, this is a more general poll that isnt particularly focused on Wendy and is made by someone completely different to mine. Theres no grand conspiracy here.

I'm sorry, i was just made a joke to against some potential malice, I know these two survey is made from different people.

[Siren11]

10 minutes ago, WenericMember said:

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Alternatively, this is a more general poll that isnt particularly focused on Wendy and is made by someone completely different to mine. Theres no grand conspiracy here.

This poll is also public and yours wasn’t. I think there are probably some people, like me, who don’t want to vote in public polls and that could skew the results one way or another. I think your initial guess about time zones is also a factor.

[WenericMember]

1 hour ago, Steorra said:

I'm sorry, i was just made a joke to against some potential malice, I know these two survey is made from different people.

Sorry for snapping, just gotten used to people being ridiculous in this beta. 

[lv746591263]

Do you dare to come to the Chinese forum: Baidu Tieba, and post such a poll? I believe that 90% will choose to be extremely dissatisfied with Wendy's skill tree.

[GetNerfedOn]

28 minutes ago, lv746591263 said:

Do you dare to come to the Chinese forum: Baidu Tieba, and post such a poll? I believe that 90% will choose to be extremely dissatisfied with Wendy's skill tree.

I would, but my phone number is invalid for Baidu registration.

Frankly speaking, although I have my own expectations and desires, a poll's results will speak for themselves.

Feel free to copy the poll to Baidu and show us the results!

[Peasant]

44 minutes ago, GetNerfedOn said:

I would, but my phone number is invalid for Baidu registration.

Frankly speaking, although I have my own expectations and desires, a poll's results will speak for themselves.

Feel free to copy the poll to Baidu and show us the results!

There was a poll over Wendy's skilltree when the first version of skilltree came out, I recall received 80% unsatisfied