My thoughts on Wendy's flower crown effects

[aidankocherhans]

Revenant restorative should have a dramatically slower hp gain rate, like taking half a day at least. It should be something for passive restoration while you do other things like it would be for Abigail.

Spectral cure-all should restore less health. I know it takes 40 hp to craft (plus spider gland), but rapid health regen is really strong and it would be good enough if you simply banked the hp from the heart and just restored a little more than that. Depending on the hp amount restored it might need a slower heal rate.

Nightshade nostrum should persist when you unequip and reequip the item, it sounds pretty annoying to use otherwise. It might need a nerf to duration, but I'm not sure.

Vigor mortis seems good, maybe it could still have an impact when you have slowdown plus a speed boost (piggyback+cane for example) so it negates slowdown even if you are above base speed.

Unyielding draught seems like it could be too exploitable in boss fights considering how cheap it is to make. I think it should have basically the exact effect of Abigail's shield, blocking damage like a crown after the first hit, with a cooldown.

Unsure about distilled vengeance, giving it the effect I mentioned above plus the reflect damage could work, the current effect with a cooldown instead of single use might work but I still worry about it's strength. This one definitely needs a buff from its current effect though.

[Steorra]

 

2 hours ago, aidankocherhans said:

Spectral cure-all should restore less health. I know it takes 40 hp to craft (plus spider gland), but rapid health regen is really strong and it would be good enough if you simply banked the hp from the heart and just restored a little more than that. Depending on the hp amount restored it might need a slower heal rate.

I only have one question - is there many players in current forum is too lazy to plant dragon fruit?

Was saw many incomprehensible voices like “these health regen ability of particular items/mechanics are OP”. All of them seems to keep ignoring about dragon fruit pie and dumplings 

[Peasant]

55 minutes ago, Steorra said:

 

I only have one question - is there many players in current forum is too lazy to plant dragon fruit?

Was saw many incomprehensible voices like “these health regen ability of particular items/mechanics are OP”. All of them seems to keep ignoring about dragon fruit pie and dumplings 

Or cooked potatos and tomatos?

[ZeRoboButler]

55 minutes ago, Steorra said:

 

I only have one question - is there many players in current forum is too lazy to plant dragon fruit?

Was saw many incomprehensible voices like “these health regen ability of particular items/mechanics are OP”. All of them seems to keep ignoring about dragon fruit pie and dumplings 

for perspective on the dragon fruit matter, for most people dragon fruit still have the old negative connotation from the old farming systems, they were viewed as not worth the trouble and overrated compared to other options. When wormwood was introduced more players actually ended up considering other health options over food, and on top of that, ocean foods like "surf 'n turf" have 60 health on it as well as reasonable sanity so we have better options we don't have to wait for to grow.

[cropo]

6 minutes ago, ZeRoboButler said:

they were viewed as not worth the trouble and overrated compared to other options

Really? From what I remember it was definitely everyone's goal during end game, especially with the lack of some of the other more easier items that are out today. It was the ultimate dish, BiS for 90% of any situation and I am almost positive a lot of people initially hated RWYS because they thought it nerfed their dragonfruit farms until they realized it was actually a more consistent buff.


The reason Dragonfruit > Even higher healing foods is because most of the other foods have the slow eating animation where the character uses 2 hands and then wipes their mouth; you can easily eat Dragonpies under heavy constant attacks because it's a quick eat animation item.

[ZeRoboButler]

I would also say that if the player puts in sufficient effort then they have earned that healing (wortox kinda ignores this due to how his souls work), for wendy to use the healing potions on herself seems like it's okay. abby killing spiders with little to no effort already made it so she could gather spider glands easier, healing really shouldn't have been much of an issue. 

any player (except wanda) can make use of stack of healing salve, it's not tough, but I could see why people would like wendy's personal healing options, a character that can solve problems in a way unique to them is a sign of good design.

Just now, cropo said:

Really? From what I remember it was definitely everyone's goal during end game, especially with the lack of some of the other more easier items that are out today. It was the ultimate dish, BiS for 90% of any situation and I am almost positive a lot of people initially hated RWYS because they thought it nerfed their dragonfruit farms until they realized it was actually a more consistent buff.


The reason Dragonfruit > Even higher healing foods is because most of the other foods have the slow eating animation where the character uses 2 hands and then wipes their mouth; you can easily eat Dragonpies under heavy constant attacks because it's a quick eat animation item.

I would argue that more people care about the convenience of the healing or item rather then the shortness of the eating window. 

[RussoDaFederal]

3 hours ago, Steorra said:

 

I only have one question - is there many players in current forum is too lazy to plant dragon fruit?

Was saw many incomprehensible voices like “these health regen ability of particular items/mechanics are OP”. All of them seems to keep ignoring about dragon fruit pie and dumplings 

Completely agree. I'm too lazy to tend to any farm, but dumplings are so easy for me to make. And I play with people who like farming, so I always have some dragonpies available. That's why I think the healing elixirs on Wendy are kinda meh. So many easy food healing options... I don't get it why healing over time is so overrated.

2 hours ago, ZeRoboButler said:

for perspective on the dragon fruit matter, for most people dragon fruit still have the old negative connotation from the old farming systems, they were viewed as not worth the trouble and overrated compared to other options.

It was difficult to get your first dragon fruit using the old farming system, after that you just needed to feed it to a bird, no?

[oak_sapling]

Undoubtedly, using potions to store health is an acceptable design, but it is less useful that other treatment methods such as ointments and food do not require players to choose a certain equipment, which means they can be used in more scenarios, such as sandstorms or spring rainy days. The spectral heal-all provides a considerable recovery amount, but consuming health means it will be more difficult to make than other therapeutic items. If its function is only to store health or recover a small amount of additional health, I think it is not enough to overcome the difficulties to use. I agree that the shield provided by the potion provides Wendy with fault tolerance in battle, but binding the equipment has also throw players a lot of trouble. In order to obtain the effectiveness of the potion, players must abandon helmets that can bear at least 80% of the damage, equipment that is 100% rain and lightning proof, cannot have good visibility in sandstorms or moon storms, cannot make specific creatures neutral to themselves, cannot obtain enhancements to specific weapons, and limit them using cloth to keep warm and cool, or obtain spiritual value recovery.This operation also restricts Wendy from sharing potions with Woodie in a transformed state, wigfrid with her own helmet, or Walter wearing his pinetree pioneer hat, which is not conducive to Wendy showcasing her team abilities. In the skill trees of other characters, we rarely see such a limitation. Wurt can lead other characters to walk faster on the swamp, wigfrid can enhance other characters' abilities, and wortox can heal other characters without requiring them to limit their equipment choices.that is why I think the potions and the flower crown need enhencement.

[Mysterious box]

3 hours ago, cropo said:

Really? From what I remember it was definitely everyone's goal during end game, especially with the lack of some of the other more easier items that are out today. It was the ultimate dish, BiS for 90% of any situation and I am almost positive a lot of people initially hated RWYS because they thought it nerfed their dragonfruit farms until they realized it was actually a more consistent buff.


The reason Dragonfruit > Even higher healing foods is because most of the other foods have the slow eating animation where the character uses 2 hands and then wipes their mouth; you can easily eat Dragonpies under heavy constant attacks because it's a quick eat animation item.

It was advertised as the ultimate food by content creators but most people I interacted with never actually did it because of how much of a time sink and general bad idea it was to farm specific crops back then it came in the same vein as the "sleep is bad" "insanity is good" mindset.

 

3 hours ago, ZeRoboButler said:

for perspective on the dragon fruit matter, for most people dragon fruit still have the old negative connotation from the old farming systems, they were viewed as not worth the trouble and overrated compared to other options. When wormwood was introduced more players actually ended up considering other health options over food, and on top of that, ocean foods like "surf 'n turf" have 60 health on it as well as reasonable sanity so we have better options we don't have to wait for to grow.

Also to be fair a lot of people still don't like engaging with the farming system due to amount of effort it still requires and while crop combos do exist most players either don't know how to do them or at best only know the tomato potato combo.

[zzzzzzzzzzz]

Wendy's skill tree needs to be reset.

[RussoDaFederal]

5 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

It was advertised as the ultimate food by content creators but most people I interacted with never actually did it because of how much of a time sink and general bad idea it was to farm specific crops back then it came in the same vein as the "sleep is bad" "insanity is good" mindset.

Ah yes I remember that time. I never agreed with "sleep is bad insanity is good" (although I almost never sleep simply because I find it boring, but they were kinda right about dragonpie. It was overrated but it is up until today one of the best healing foods in the game.

[Mysterious box]

Just now, RussoDaFederal said:

Ah yes I remember that time. I never agreed with "sleep is bad insanity is good" (although I almost never sleep simply because I find it boring, but they were kinda right about dragonpie. It was overrated but it is up until today one of the best healing foods in the game.

Honestly it's kind of debatable to me stat wise sure it beats a lot of other options but when it comes to actually farming them potatoes and tomatoes are just easier to farm in mass if you even plan to farm for your healing. As for pre farming update it felt terrible because of the bird mini game basically meaning 50% of the time you just wasted your time on no return so dragonpies back then were like farming blowdarts a big potential payoff but a long time commitment.

[RussoDaFederal]

Just now, Mysterious box said:

Honestly it's kind of debatable to me stat wise sure it beats a lot of other options but when it comes to actually farming them potatoes and tomatoes are just easier to farm in mass if you even plan to farm for your healing. As for pre farming update it felt terrible because of the bird mini game basically meaning 50% of the time you just wasted your time on no return so dragonpies back then were like farming blowdarts a big potential payoff but a long time commitment.

Huh I didn't remember that. I never liked farms even before the farm update, it's always someone else on my server that handles farms. Maybe my friend back then was just a tryhard. Currently it's my brother (who is a Wormwood main) who handles farms, so anything that grows on a farm is super cheap for us.

[Mysterious box]

13 minutes ago, RussoDaFederal said:

Huh I didn't remember that. I never liked farms even before the farm update, it's always someone else on my server that handles farms. Maybe my friend back then was just a tryhard. Currently it's my brother (who is a Wormwood main) who handles farms, so anything that grows on a farm is super cheap for us.

Yeah it was pretty bad the way farming worked back then was

1. You grow a dragonpie
2. Feed it to a caged bird
3. it will either give you 1 or 2 seeds

So if it gave you one you effectively accomplished nothing but if it gave you two well now you can grow two dragonpies then repeat step one until you have enough dragonpies that you feel comfortable with using despite the bird gamble. Edit: forgot to mention before step one you had to actually get a dragonpie from random seeds since it was the rarest crop at the time as well and unlike now where you can go to the lunar island there was only rng.

As for now without a specialized character like Wormwood or Wurt the tilling process really annoys people and without outside knowledge on crop combos the player would have to take care of crops the old fashion way with fertilizer, watering, and some form of talking to the plants(there are various ways for this one) which is a pretty heavy time sink compared to the reward. Again though crop combos more or less bypass this but that requires outside knowledge or intense study of the crop charts in game.

[WenericMember]

The crown needs a static benefit on top of the potion buffs.basically no armour in the game is just utility  40% armour would make it usable in combat, while a garland sanity aura would synergise well with Wendys other sanity perks.

[Mysterious box]

Just now, WenericMember said:

The crown needs a static benefit on top of the potion buffs.basically no armour in the game is just utility  40% armour would make it usable in combat, while a garland sanity aura would synergise well with Wendys other sanity perks.

It ironically has the same issue with the pinetree pioneer hat...

though I guess it's still more useful than the pinetree hat

[WenericMember]

2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

It ironically has the same issue with the pinetree pioneer hat...

though I guess it's still more useful than the pinetree hat

Yeah, I hope they change it though. 

[RussoDaFederal]

24 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

it will either give you 1 or 2 seeds

Yeah that's how I remembered it. It's a gamble but it was like 50/50, so we had around 10 farms and any fruit past the 10 cap was ok to cook. We rarely ran out, but we didn't do a lot of combat back then anyway. What's funny is that the pierogi were kinda like a turning point for me, because I used to heavily rely on this friend who played DST since day 1 (I started to play a year later) and watched a lot of youtube videos on DST, and he had the good ol' meta mindset we talked about, which didn't fit my playstyle cause I was just learning how the game works. When I learned to cook pierogi I started to do everything else myself too, and stopped relying on him. It was then that I realized the whole meta mindset was bs, and I'm glad we're over that phase

[cropo]

15 minutes ago, RussoDaFederal said:

Yeah that's how I remembered it. It's a gamble but it was like 50/50, so we had around 10 farms and any fruit past the 10 cap was ok to cook. We rarely ran out, but we didn't do a lot of combat back then anyway. What's funny is that the pierogi were kinda like a turning point for me, because I used to heavily rely on this friend who played DST since day 1 (I started to play a year later) and watched a lot of youtube videos on DST, and he had the good ol' meta mindset we talked about, which didn't fit my playstyle cause I was just learning how the game works. When I learned to cook pierogi I started to do everything else myself too, and stopped relying on him. It was then that I realized the whole meta mindset was bs, and I'm glad we're over that phase

The main thing being forgotten here is how fertilizer and Wickerbottom worked back then, growing Dragonfruit was much faster back than.

[RussoDaFederal]

3 minutes ago, cropo said:

The main thing being forgotten here is how fertilizer and Wickerbottom worked back then, growing Dragonfruit was much faster back than.

That's true, I completely forgot that, and back then I used to play with Wickerbottom a lot too

[Glommer2]

1 hour ago, oak_sapling said:

but binding the equipment has also throw players a lot of trouble

That's the main problem, the crown have to apply better effect for the occupied of head slot so one will use it

[Maxil20]

5 hours ago, cropo said:

The main thing being forgotten here is how fertilizer and Wickerbottom worked back then, growing Dragonfruit was much faster back than.

I would say for small to medium scale setups yes, but anything above ~100 (improved) farms, you are better off using the RWYS plots, especially if you are Wormwood and can plant the dragonfruits in bulk and skip the till/planting animations or are using Wicker with some Horticulture abridged books (preferably on lunar island).

While growing the initial crops is easier, needing to spend ~3 times longer harvesting all the fruits and then cycling them via giving them to the bird for food and needing to replant the seeds does hinder time quite a bit, especially in an era where the lazy forager wasn’t refuelable.

I myself don’t aim for giants so 1 crop + 1 seed is all I really need to get by. If I do need more seeds, I just feed the crops I get to duplicate the next harvest.

Not saying it wasn’t effective, since growing seeds with farms is usually much easier for “starting” out thanks to fertilizer inducing growth and works alright for small-medium instances, just does fall off a tad if you do plan to go large scale.

[Mysterious box]

6 hours ago, cropo said:

The main thing being forgotten here is how fertilizer and Wickerbottom worked back then, growing Dragonfruit was much faster back than.

That still wasn't very worth as now your just throwing craploads of poop and rot on top of rng it was fine if you were just growing random crops for extra food but not for going for select crops.