Could Wigfrid be given a normal, interesting, and skill tree that meets the expectations of Wigfrid players?

[Your Chester]

Wigfrid's skill tree is the most uninspired, both in terms of the development of Wigfrid's character play and in terms of Wigfrid's character strength; a good skill tree can make players who used to dislike using Wigfrid want to experience and like her, such as Vero, Woody, Wolfgang, Violet, Walter, and Volthox. A friend of mine said, "I rarely use Wigfrid, and I found the skill tree to be boring and uninteresting. It has no gameplay and no strength, and having a skill tree or not makes no difference to the gameplay." Wigfrid's skill tree, as it stands, is uninspiring and a waste of space. As a Wigfrid player, I rate the skill tree a zero.

Wigfrid is no doubt a combat character, but is now designed to be a four not like. In the near future, Wendy's skill tree will also be put into official service, not to mention comparing with Wolfgang, Wendy training war cattle, coupled with Abigail drinking Shadow medicine, this output multiplier is already 2.0, and our combat character Wigfrid only 1.25 multiplier, the output ability is far less than Wendy, let alone Wolfgang, Wolfgang is a true combat character, with absolute output, 2.0 normal output power, 2.6 output power against opposing factions, eating spicy jelly, and more than five wigfrids per person. Wigfrid, as a combat character, is now far from up to scratch.
Watuxe, in the near future, will be able to consume more souls, carrying heavy objects such as marble statues to make time jumps, which will no doubt be a major blow to the training branch of Wigfrid's skill tree, as well as Watuxe's special hearts that can revive teammates at any time, It was also a major blow to Wigfrid's warrior Ensemble, who had to fight for a long time to revive his teammates. Also, Wolfgang's skill tree "Leg Training Day" works during bull riding, while our Wigfrid branch of the tree does not.
Finally, after each update, we see other characters receiving their own new gifts and powerful skill trees, while we Wigfrid can only look up in the corner, disappointed at our old equipment and broken broken skill trees. Wigfrid wears the name "Valkyrie" but does the same thing as a clown.
I love KLEI Studio, and love this game, skin gift pack is basically all purchase support, including the peripheral hand and doll, really hope developers can re-look at Wigfrid skill tree, there are too many unreasonable places, take responsibility!

[AgClO4]

Agree with you. Wigfrid can beat enemies without any new weapons got by skill tree. Both the shield and the new helmet are useless for fighting with them. Even if we want wigfrid to fight like a knight or a Valkyrie, training a beefalo cannot increase her damage in any sense. 

[Catuna_]

47 minutes ago, Wigfried said:

Wigfrid's skill tree is the most uninspired, both in terms of the development of Wigfrid's character play and in terms of Wigfrid's character strength; a good skill tree can make players who used to dislike using Wigfrid want to experience and like her, such as Vero, Woody, Wolfgang, Violet, Walter, and Volthox. A friend of mine said, "I rarely use Wigfrid, and I found the skill tree to be boring and uninteresting. It has no gameplay and no strength, and having a skill tree or not makes no difference to the gameplay." Wigfrid's skill tree, as it stands, is uninspiring and a waste of space. As a Wigfrid player, I rate the skill tree a zero.

Wigfrid's combat capabilities are not about pure damage, the point is that Wigfrid cuts down on preparation time by being able to restore her stats and preserve weapon durability. She essentially gets infinite non-spoiling healing and sanity. It's not all about pure damage, and it's never been. +25% damage allows her to reach important damage breakpoints (such as dealing more than 50 damage with a Pick/Axe and the battle spear) and it's a great bonus, while Wolfgang and Wendy are pretty much exclusively based around damage output for their best, and (in the case of wolfgang) only upside.

Another thing that you have to acknowledge, is that a skill tree does not reshape or re-define or restructure a character who is already enjoyable and considered fully developed, if I don't like a character, I don't and shouldn't expect their skill tree to completely alter or change them in a way that pleases me. Wigfrid's skill tree was made to supplement Wigfrid with new equipment that helps her tackle the main game as well as the rifts better, offering new unique weapons with abilities that other characters in the game do not have access to. Wigfrid herself is a developped, fun, and powerful character whose core design is sound and did not need a rework unlike Wortox or Willow who had nothing going on.

37 minutes ago, Wigfried said:

Watuxe, in the near future, will be able to consume more souls, carrying heavy objects such as marble statues to make time jumps, which will no doubt be a major blow to the training branch of Wigfrid's skill tree

It won't be a major blow to her, as her niche as a character isn't to carry marble statues around. Anyone can do this on a beefalo the same way she can, taming them faster doesn't mean that other characters can't do this.

39 minutes ago, Wigfried said:

as well as Watuxe's special hearts that can revive teammates at any time, It was also a major blow to Wigfrid's warrior Ensemble, who had to fight for a long time to revive his teammates.

I think that while the comparison is still rather pointless considering that Wigfrid can revive several people at a time, I think that the nerfs done to Warrior's reprise were way too much to the point of just being way too niche.

41 minutes ago, Wigfried said:

Also, Wolfgang's skill tree "Leg Training Day" works during bull riding, while our Wigfrid branch of the tree does not.

This is an unintentional bug and I don't think it's worth bringing up anyway...

42 minutes ago, Wigfried said:

Finally, after each update, we see other characters receiving their own new gifts and powerful skill trees, while we Wigfrid can only look up in the corner, disappointed at our old equipment and broken broken skill trees. Wigfrid wears the name "Valkyrie" but does the same thing as a clown.

Wigfrid's skill tree did this too! It added a lot of weapons and exclusive crafts for her, with the spear being a highlight for many people: The shield's blocking mechanic is something new and it's something that a lot of people enjoy using doing things like battling bishops and bosses without taking any damage, the spear's dashing mechanic letting you kill a lot of mobs at once, kite attacks, and escape Fuelweaver's bone cage not to mention the electric damage and the upgrade available that bestows what is one of the best (and I've seen people argue it's the best)  weapons in the game. However I won't deny that her affinities are just rather lame.

[Your Chester]

1 hour ago, Catuna_ said:

Wigfrid's combat capabilities are not about pure damage, the point is that Wigfrid cuts down on preparation time by being able to restore her stats and preserve weapon durability. She essentially gets infinite non-spoiling healing and sanity. It's not all about pure damage, and it's never been. +25% damage allows her to reach important damage breakpoints (such as dealing more than 50 damage with a Pick/Axe and the battle spear) and it's a great bonus, while Wolfgang and Wendy are pretty much exclusively based around damage output for their best, and (in the case of wolfgang) only upside.

Another thing that you have to acknowledge, is that a skill tree does not reshape or re-define or restructure a character who is already enjoyable and considered fully developed, if I don't like a character, I don't and shouldn't expect their skill tree to completely alter or change them in a way that pleases me. Wigfrid's skill tree was made to supplement Wigfrid with new equipment that helps her tackle the main game as well as the rifts better, offering new unique weapons with abilities that other characters in the game do not have access to. Wigfrid herself is a developped, fun, and powerful character whose core design is sound and did not need a rework unlike Wortox or Willow who had nothing going on.

It won't be a major blow to her, as her niche as a character isn't to carry marble statues around. Anyone can do this on a beefalo the same way she can, taming them faster doesn't mean that other characters can't do this.

I think that while the comparison is still rather pointless considering that Wigfrid can revive several people at a time, I think that the nerfs done to Warrior's reprise were way too much to the point of just being way too niche.

This is an unintentional bug and I don't think it's worth bringing up anyway...

Wigfrid's skill tree did this too! It added a lot of weapons and exclusive crafts for her, with the spear being a highlight for many people: The shield's blocking mechanic is something new and it's something that a lot of people enjoy using doing things like battling bishops and bosses without taking any damage, the spear's dashing mechanic letting you kill a lot of mobs at once, kite attacks, and escape Fuelweaver's bone cage not to mention the electric damage and the upgrade available that bestows what is one of the best (and I've seen people argue it's the best)  weapons in the game. However I won't deny that her affinities are just rather lame.

When it comes to shields, it has to be said that although it is a new mechanism and the idea is great, the design is a failure. It is rare for anyone to use this shield because its cost and output are superior to ham sticks of the same period. Ham sticks have completely surpassed it in all aspects. You also mentioned that Valkyrie has damage reduction, and using ham sticks to hit bishops is also very simple; There is also the Commander's Helmet. In actual gameplay, there is no despair helmet of the same period. The Thulium Mine Helmet is useful and requires actual gameplay experience. The actual gameplay experience of this skill tree is very poor and perfunctory! The feeling given to players is that the designer lacks a sense of responsibility!

2 minutes ago, Wigfried said:

When it comes to shields, it has to be said that although it is a new mechanism and the idea is great, the design is a failure. It is rare for anyone to use this shield because its cost and output are superior to ham sticks of the same period. Ham sticks have completely surpassed it in all aspects. You also mentioned that Valkyrie has damage reduction, and using ham sticks to hit bishops is also very simple; There is also the Commander's Helmet. In actual gameplay, there is no despair helmet of the same period. The Thulium Mine Helmet is useful and requires actual gameplay experience. The actual gameplay experience of this skill tree is very poor and perfunctory! The feeling given to players is that the designer lacks a sense of responsibility!

My English is not very good and my expression is not clear. I apologize.

[Dragonboooorn]

4 hours ago, Wigfried said:

Wigfrid's skill tree is the most uninspired

bro forgor wilson skill tree exists

[RozeMeteor]

I used to main Wig but stoped playing her cuz her skilltree is boring, new songs do nothing, dash is useless for anything besides farming mobs,beefalo is out of character since she has one quote barely saying she would like have a mount someday, shadow and lunar affinities are non existent, shields push wig further in the path where everyone calls her braindead or resource sink facetanking everthing besides costing a lot, the helm is the only part that actually like and honestly people don't get how broken anything that can repair itself are, and there is the canister that is a nice Qol but that's it. WIgfrid was alredy mad strong in combat and her skilltree just made it more braindead, i expected a skilltree focusing on her songs maybe using the meters to trade effects for the natural lifesteal or anything more creative. That's my opnion on as a Wig main with almost my whole Dst time on her which should be around 200 hours excluding me iddling for skins while i did something else.

[nimzowitsch10]

if u guys keep making posts like these we are going to get a skilltree rework phase that will take another 2 years. Please no.

[Well-met]

wigfrid's tree is long past and done lol.

stop going back to ancient things. This is why klei can't work on anything else but characters

[Anis5240]

43 minutes ago, nimzowitsch10 said:

if u guys keep making posts like these we are going to get a skilltree rework phase that will take another 2 years.

but like it was their fault for putting such things in the first place

Wilson doesn't even get an actual rework, just smack dab straight to skill tree - and a very sucky one too.

[Peasant]

1 hour ago, Well-met said:

wigfrid's tree is long past and done lol.

stop going back to ancient things. This is why klei can't work on anything else but characters

Why I recall wormwood got his(or its?) skilltree improvement several months after his skilltree had been updated?

[layangan putus]

41 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

but like it was their fault for putting such things in the first place

Wilson doesn't even get an actual rework, just smack dab straight to skill tree - and a very sucky one too.

Maybe Wilson is the sacrificial lamb for soon the new Constant, nothing's personal. Just need to be done with these skill trees thing: Maxwell, Wanda, Warly, Webber, Wickerbottom, WX-78 left (1 year for 6 characters if possible) then dev team can start to break apart the game loop in the beginning of 2026?

[Anis5240]

4 minutes ago, YXukun said:

I recall wormwood got his(or its?) skilltree improvement several months after his skilltree had been updated

Correct, his skill tree was in August last year, and got the fix in March this year.

That's why I'm so mad at Klei; they'd been willing to fix THAT (alongside a bit of Willow's and Wigfrid's) BUT NOT WILSON'S.

3 minutes ago, Sidoldi said:

Maybe Wilson is the sacrificial lamb for soon the new Constant, nothing's personal.

Unfortunately I have to make this personal because it speaks a lot about what they're doing.

[Peasant]

3 minutes ago, Anis5240 said:

Unfortunately I have to make this personal because it speaks a lot about what they're doing.

Wilson never actually got his rework, if he being the only one who possess a skilltree that would do, but now everyone is getting one, makes Wilson still so…ordinary, while everyone's either becoming super man or great wizards.

[Anis5240]

1 minute ago, YXukun said:

Wilson never actually got his rework, if he being the only one who possess a skilltree that would do, but now everyone is getting one, makes Wilson still so…ordinary, while everyone's either becoming super man or great wizards.

It really just said a lot about their shortcomings, making band-aid fixes onto the problems they themselves had made (Woodie's Lunar Renegade perk made him not transforming during full moon/moonstorms and simply made him a better 'Wilson').

If the transmutes themselves are being part of Wilson's base abilities, I'll probably just shrug it off and said, "Ok." But it's not. Not to mention most parts said transmutation tree are just one type of transmute and its reverse and/or borderline useless.

The ones I actively use for my regular runs are twig-log, meat-morsel, beefalo wool-beard hair (for that early meat effigy). The ore transmutations are just there, nothing too big nor too small. The gems too aren't as impactful (aside from the Iridescent gem).

I like it if you can get multiple options of doing/getting the same things. For example, most characters will have to get a Star Caller's Staff and the Deconstruction Staff for the Iridescent gem. But Wilson can simply get the gem via going to ruins or fight Dragonfly. Both of those options have their own challenges, and I wish Klei would do that often.

Instead we just got one after another of character items that continue to clog the crafting menu.

[Mike23Ua]

I thought this thread was about Wigfrid.

Wigfrids skill tree is mostly fine.. I mean honestly what are you expecting her to get beyond spears & helmets that repair themselves, a shield that when timed correctly blocks all incoming damage, free inspiration gain while riding a Beefalo, and a battle cry that brings her friends back from Valhalla? 

Wilson on the other hand lmao… dude needs to be pausing the game & spamming the Rollback button till he gets a better Skill Tree & an actual Rework.

[Anis5240]

11 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

spears & helmets that repair themselves

Commander's helm is a decent helm, with that knockback protection too. I hope Shadow Maul can also get the "durability regen if user's HP is full when smacking mobs" mechanic.

[Vasz_]

27 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I thought this thread was about Wigfrid.

Wigfrids skill tree is mostly fine.. I mean honestly what are you expecting her to get beyond spears & helmets that repair themselves, a shield that when timed correctly blocks all incoming damage, free inspiration gain while riding a Beefalo, and a battle cry that brings her friends back from Valhalla? 

Wilson on the other hand lmao… dude needs to be pausing the game & spamming the Rollback button till he gets a better Skill Tree & an actual Rework.

Good alignment skills. Ironic for a character with inspiration in her kit since these are one of the most uninspired skills so far.

[Well-met]

5 hours ago, YXukun said:

Why I recall wormwood got his(or its?) skilltree improvement several months after his skilltree had been updated?

because people keep whining like this here thread?

that's exactly my point.

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Well-met said:

because people keep whining like this here thread?

that's exactly my point.

Just embrace character refresh 3 it'll be easier to accept it.

[Peasant]

5 hours ago, Well-met said:

because people keep whining like this here thread?

that's exactly my point.

So…You mean that even wormwood's skilltree enhancement shouldn't be there at all?

[Your Chester]

On 11/30/2024 at 12:14 AM, Mike23Ua said:

I thought this thread was about Wigfrid.

Wigfrids skill tree is mostly fine.. I mean honestly what are you expecting her to get beyond spears & helmets that repair themselves, a shield that when timed correctly blocks all incoming damage, free inspiration gain while riding a Beefalo, and a battle cry that brings her friends back from Valhalla? 

Wilson on the other hand lmao… dude needs to be pausing the game & spamming the Rollback button till he gets a better Skill Tree & an actual Rework.

You're wrong, you don't know much about Wigfrid, and you don't have enough time playing this character. Wigfrid's skill tree is boring because most of the skill points are useless, and you have to experience it yourself to find out what this skill tree is like, and I played this character for more than a thousand hours. In our country, most players agree that the Wigfried skill tree is by far the worst designed skill tree and the most failed skill tree. The designer is definitely not serious about the design, and it is also irresponsible, which makes us Wigfried players angry! And I bought all the KLEI skin packs and merchandise and was disappointed.

[gaymime]

37 minutes ago, Wigfried said:

You're wrong, you don't know much about Wigfrid, and you don't have enough time playing this character. Wigfrid's skill tree is boring because most of the skill points are useless, and you have to experience it yourself to find out what this skill tree is like, and I played this character for more than a thousand hours. In our country, most players agree that the Wigfried skill tree is by far the worst designed skill tree and the most failed skill tree. The designer is definitely not serious about the design, and it is also irresponsible, which makes us Wigfried players angry! And I bought all the KLEI skin packs and merchandise and was disappointed.

please pick a character you'd actually like playing. you are just stressing yourself out by ripping apart wig and being resentful that you are not suited to playing her. you have the choice to enjoy the game.

[Your Chester]

25 minutes ago, gaymime said:

please pick a character you'd actually like playing. you are just stressing yourself out by ripping apart wig and being resentful that you are not suited to playing her. you have the choice to enjoy the game.

Wigfried is the character I really like, if I don't really like it, I don't need to come here to complain about this failed skill tree, it's that I like Wigfrid, so I'm willing to spend money on all the skin packs and expensive merchandise to support KLEI

[RozeMeteor]

1 hour ago, gaymime said:

please pick a character you'd actually like playing. you are just stressing yourself out by ripping apart wig and being resentful that you are not suited to playing her. you have the choice to enjoy the game.

Respectfully, this was sad to read, what if she was my main before ? i gotta move on just cuz her skilltree gutted her ? and just to be clear here wig and willow was my two most played chars, willow was reworked fully to be broken and wig in particular didn't earned nothing much significant, yes she was strong, but come on even woodie has qol in his skilltree and the best they could do for her was a spear and a helm ? Yes, i can play without using the skilltree which i do so but it's a strange feeling having to hinder youself cuz turns out your main didn't received a nice attention during their skilltree while the new meta is spawning at day one with tools to split the game in half.

[Peasant]

Currently I think that what wigfrid's skilltree lacks is the ability to deal enough planar damage to adapt to the situation post rift. Charger elding spear is fun, but provides too little planar damage. If there can't be a better design, at least wigfrid should have perks boosting planar damage like wolfgang's did.