Reiko24 Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 He had absolutely no reason to. UNLESS, Charlie had followed the same path survivors have, but perished in the process from the hands of AFW. Then she became who she became. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 It could be that she was dropped into the Constant as a survivor (considering from the old codes that her and Winona shared the same surname that started with "W".) With Maxwell was stuck on the Nightmare Throne, she probably did survive long enough to reach the Atrium, but was not prepared of Fuelweaver. It could be the reason why those fossil fragments ended up only be found in stalagmites and spilagmites, probably since Maxwell wanted to hide FW's existence. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranoze Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 Wait, since when did ancient killed Charlie? Did I miss something? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 2 minutes ago, Tranoze said: when did ancient killed Charlie In Maxwell's rework short, it showed that Charlie was in the Atrium, with FW then snatched her and possibly killing her. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749870 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 Maybe she tried to activated the portal and AFW stopped her so she tricket the survivors to weaken him so she could finish him The gameplay isnt a 1:1 representation of lore neither makes sense lore wise. AFW might be always there guarding the portal isntead of being summoned by the survivors Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 11 minutes ago, arubaro said: Maybe she tried to activated the portal and AFW stopped her so she tricket the survivors to weaken him so she could finish him That probably isn't true, since she was "broken" after FW killed her, and the shadows took pity on her and made the deal by turning her into the Grue. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749880 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bumber64 Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 I thought Charlie got possessed by AFW's queen (Metheus?), or something. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749887 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranoze Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 2 hours ago, Anis5240 said: possibly killing her. So we dont know if afw killed her or not. No hard evidences. The scene cut before he snatch her. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 4 minutes ago, Tranoze said: So we dont know if afw killed her or not. No hard evidences. The scene cut before he snatch her people seem to think that white charlie piece falling and getting absorbed into chess board meant that she died maybe FW just fused her and metheus and made grue Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radicaljoe Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 My assumption was always that Charlie for some reason spawned IN the arena, maybe an accident because Maxwell was already sent to the chair so she was sent to an equally powerful area. I assume afw was there because he was still guarding the portal before all those eons passed of Maxwell on the chair. Then eventually the eye in the gateway revives Charlie, Cult of the Lamb style. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 4 minutes ago, Radicaljoe said: I assume afw was there because he was still guarding the portal pretty sure that he'sn't guarding it but just wants to prevent it from getting powered, it seems to get powered through absorbing shadow atrium's energy, considering that it gets black swirl stuff in itself only after FW spawns, you can also see that you're knocking the shadow energy out of FW through hitting it during the hit anim so that's probably how it gets put out of him for gate way to absorb it, he seems to disable it knowing that he'll die but also remove the possibility of himself getting used for powering it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749899 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tranoze Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 What actually happened is charlie dodge the snatch, then proceed to solo AFW with punches only. Being the first one to actually killed afw, she gain the power to access nightmare throne. That why she prevent other survivor from killing afw by stealing the kill at the very last moment, that is to prevent other from stealing her power. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridley Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 46 minutes ago, Tranoze said: What actually happened is charlie dodge the snatch, then proceed to solo AFW with punches only. Being the first one to actually killed afw, she gain the power to access nightmare throne. That why she prevent other survivor from killing afw by stealing the kill at the very last moment, that is to prevent other from stealing her power. Yep. To this day she smites anyone who wants a FW nerf for this very reason. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxposting Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 6 hours ago, Anis5240 said: considering from the old codes that her and Winona shared the same surname that started with "W". Where was this mentioned? I'm trying to remember but I don't recall anything like this. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Variant Posted September 21, 2024 Share Posted September 21, 2024 3 minutes ago, Maxposting said: Where was this mentioned? I'm trying to remember but I don't recall anything like this. The Playbill, specifically. An "Unused" state of the item from the Drama update. You can't actually see it in game without mods, commands, or a bug that still exists(?) but if you examine the portable copy, the line for it lists Charlie's initials. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikoFanboy Posted September 22, 2024 Share Posted September 22, 2024 15 hours ago, Anis5240 said: In Maxwell's rework short, it showed that Charlie was in the Atrium, with FW then snatched her and possibly killing her. can I have the source and timestamp? Maxwell short I'm watching (Encore) doesnt't have that part? the closest that I could see in the short was after Charlie found Maxwell secret and run away while shadow watcher appeared? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anis5240 Posted September 22, 2024 Share Posted September 22, 2024 9 minutes ago, MikoFanboy said: the closest that I could see in the short was after Charlie found Maxwell secret and run away while shadow watcher appeared It's right after that scene. At minute 2.02. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159875-why-did-the-ancient-fuelweaver-kill-charlie/#findComment-1749997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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