Can't wait for Klei to announce character re-re-reworks after skilltrees are done by year 2028

[RexySeven]

And new branch of skilltrees after that of course!

[RozeMeteor]

This. Here, take that % skill who feels super impactfull, add some locked behind X other wasted point of skills and add other Y band aid to make a character entirely ''new'' as some people say it it

3 hours ago, RexySeven said:

And new branch of skilltrees after that of course!

Just wanted to say, i really liked the direction you have taken with Whispy skill tree, feels actually like a QoL

[RexySeven]

46 minutes ago, RozeMeteor said:

This. Here, take that % skill who feels super impactfull, add some locked behind X other wasted point of skills and add other Y band aid to make a character entirely ''new'' as some people say it it

Just wanted to say, i really liked the direction you have taken with Whispy skill tree, feels actually like a QoL

I personally think skills I made could've been more unique but it's my first time creating a skill tree, so yeah :'D
Thanks anyways!

[Chesed]

The team have heard your complaints about Wilson's skilltree, and we have taken the community's feedback to heart. For the first of our planned character revitalisations: we have removed Wilson's skilltree. Please look forward for what we have in store for the rest of the cast in futu-

[nimzowitsch10]

after that they will begin qol reworks, then qol skilltrees

[NoodlemanNed]

i actually quite like character reworks. it feels like it brings more to the game than adding some random island in the middle of the ocean.

[Mike23Ua]

You joke now, but there’s a very real chance Klei will do a “Downsides” update, which gives characters heavy impactful downsides and makes playing each one a unique challenge and struggle.

And before you say nahhhh they’ll never make the game harder- Bro… they added healing spiders to spider queens who never needed healing spiders.

I love how people say “game is getting too easy” without also acknowledging the areas where game was made harder.

And personally? I think that “Relaxed Mode” should have the current more powerful skill trees while “Survival” or some future harder mode, has a skill tree where you’ll have to pick bad perks.

Example: there’s this game I play where you can upgrade healing to deal 70% more healing to you, but the downside to that is you heal slower over time & if you take damage it stops the heal from finishing.

Believe it or not- Most games with skill trees also force the player to endure downsides.

[ShadowDuelist]

I like the skill trees and making the characters more and more different from each other, it adds a lot of gameplay time to try new things. As it was with the reworks.

Sad will be the day that klei announces they will no longer update DST. If it was up to me they can keep touching up things forever.

[RozeMeteor]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

You joke now, but there’s a very real chance Klei will do a “Downsides” update, which gives characters heavy impactful downsides and makes playing each one a unique challenge and struggle.

And before you say nahhhh they’ll never make the game harder- Bro… they added healing spiders to spider queens who never needed healing spiders.

I love how people say “game is getting too easy” without also acknowledging the areas where game was made harder.

And personally? I think that “Relaxed Mode” should have the current more powerful skill trees while “Survival” or some future harder mode, has a skill tree where you’ll have to pick bad perks.

Example: there’s this game I play where you can upgrade healing to deal 70% more healing to you, but the downside to that is you heal slower over time & if you take damage it stops the heal from finishing.

Believe it or not- Most games with skill trees also force the player to endure downsides.

I quite doubt that at least for now, most starting players consider the game unforgiving and klei don't seem to want scare them even more.

[Szczuku]

Don't worry, by 2028 every aspect of the game will be made so much easier that the new branches of skilltrees will only include decorative options

[RozeMeteor]

1 hour ago, ShadowDuelist said:

I like the skill trees and making the characters more and more different from each other, it adds a lot of gameplay time to try new things. As it was with the reworks.

Sad will be the day that klei announces they will no longer update DST. If it was up to me they can keep touching up things forever.

Different from each other i can agree with but try new things.. May i ask how so ? we have little to none space to actually create fun builds or have some variety like torchlight or diablo, Woodie almost even can't move points on his tree because it was made to make him fight powercreep instead of Willow/Winona who got almost a rework and have some other options even if they aren't the best/optional.

[Mysterious box]

8 minutes ago, RozeMeteor said:

Different from each other i can agree with but try new things.. May i ask how so ? we have little to none space to actually create fun builds or have some variety like torchlight or diablo, Woodie almost even can't move points on his tree because it was made to make him fight powercreep instead of Willow/Winona who got almost a rework and have some other options even if they aren't the best/optional.

Even Willow falls into a similar category as Woodie as she also has skills she must get and skills heavily linked to others so she doesn't have as much build variety either unless your willing to skip out on alignment skills or burn your loot.

[Bumber64]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

And before you say nahhhh they’ll never make the game harder- Bro… they added healing spiders to spider queens who never needed healing spiders.

PoV: You're Webber.

[DegenerateFurry]

I really hate the sentiment that it's a bad thing that Klei keeps diversifying our options when we play the game. It's just braindead non-feedback that stems from "but it's not the changes I PERSONALLY want!" and neglects to consider how much it's adding when a character gets a skill tree (or back when they were still doing reworks, when a character got one of those). 

[RozeMeteor]

17 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

I really hate the sentiment that it's a bad thing that Klei keeps diversifying our options when we play the game. It's just braindead non-feedback that stems from "but it's not the changes I PERSONALLY want!" and neglects to consider how much it's adding when a character gets a skill tree (or back when they were still doing reworks, when a character got one of those). 

the problem isn't they doing it to diversify, it is doing some way worse than others, and they got a ton of cool ideas from the community for most of them yet the final product was mid. 

[MadMatt]

I still feel they need to move away from having updates entirely focused on characters and normalize minor changes and patches to help polish character gameplay. I'm still optimistic about skill trees but as they are designing them right now, it does just feel like reworks 2.0

[Milordo]

41 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

I really hate the sentiment that it's a bad thing that Klei keeps diversifying our options when we play the game. It's just braindead non-feedback that stems from "but it's not the changes I PERSONALLY want!" and neglects to consider how much it's adding when a character gets a skill tree (or back when they were still doing reworks, when a character got one of those). 

The braindead feedback is yours by plugging your ears, not wanting to listen the tons of criticisms done to death to skill trees and attacking an invisible non-existent sentiment that was never thought in the community. 

[Echsrick]

i hope i am still in this plane of existance when that year comes

[HellHeater]

This is year 2032. Klei has decided to updating the game once every year to have more comprehensive and larger updates. Every update features a mob vote for the next year and a character reimagination. This year, Wilson got reimagined. He became the master of alchemy. He can transmute anything and everything into gold and elixir of life (heals for 15 and regenerates 10 more hp overtime, instant use time and works on Wormwood). He is the most efficient at using science points and therefore unlocking tools. He powercreeped into Wigfrid with his bat bat skill, powercreeped into William with his immortal followers skill, powercreeped into Willow with his fire nation heritage skill, powercreeped into both Wolfgang and Wanda with his Fury of The Fallen skill. He also has a thick 12 slot beard skill that can hold spiders, rabbits, frogworms, moonbears, foxes. 

[Mysterious box]

2 hours ago, DegenerateFurry said:

I really hate the sentiment that it's a bad thing that Klei keeps diversifying our options when we play the game. It's just braindead non-feedback that stems from "but it's not the changes I PERSONALLY want!" and neglects to consider how much it's adding when a character gets a skill tree (or back when they were still doing reworks, when a character got one of those). 

The thing is they didn't make them to diversify our options they did it to address complaints people had about the power gap created by the character refreshes. This lead to it's own problems too as skill trees now sell you a fix to that complaint in the skill tree rather than the base kit harming the diversity they're trying to offer and making the quality of the skill trees wildly inconsistent. I would have personally love if they instead did a re-refresh before they tackled skill trees so that people could have true freedom in their builds without feeling like they have to intentionally miss out on core mechanics.

Honestly this is why I feel like Wurt's skill tree is so good she already felt like a complete character without specific flaws after her multiple mini refreshes over the years this leads to her skill tree feeling very free specifically because nothing is required so it's entirely up to you how to build her

[Jorvalt]

7 hours ago, DegenerateFurry said:

I really hate the sentiment that it's a bad thing that Klei keeps diversifying our options when we play the game. It's just braindead non-feedback that stems from "but it's not the changes I PERSONALLY want!" and neglects to consider how much it's adding when a character gets a skill tree (or back when they were still doing reworks, when a character got one of those). 

"I get that you think Wilson has two entirely useless skill categories out of three but shouldn't you be HAPPY that you got ANYTHING?!"

5 hours ago, Mysterious box said:

Honestly this is why I feel like Wurt's skill tree is so good she already felt like a complete character without specific flaws after her multiple mini refreshes over the years this leads to her skill tree feeling very free specifically because nothing is required so it's entirely up to you how to build her

Personally I think Wurt's skill tree was kind of mid. Not bad, but just kind of boring. Most of it is just numbers increases, and none of it actually changes the way you play the game in any kind of meaningful way.

And then we have the real stinkers:

• Slippery Hide, which actually could be good (at 2 points 50 extra health for 100 wetness? hell yeah) but there's not any great ways to just get a lot of wetness. You can jump off a boat a couple times in prep for a boss but then how do you get more wetness mid-fight? A water balloon gives you 20 which is effectively 10 health, so you're really just better off chugging potatoes or something.
• Hydrous Healing is an absolute joke. 1 hp/8s at 100 wetness (at rank 2). Even if you doubled that it'd be underpowered.
• Sensible Swamp Fighter is entirely pointless. Merms are expendable, you don't care if they die. Especially if you're running Shadow affinity, where you want them to die. It's like no one at Klei actually considered how the character they designed plays.
• Swamp Pathfinder is equally pointless. Cobblestone is not very hard to make. Investing a point in this for sort of cheaper cobblestone roads is not worth it.
• Sated sovereign seems okay but is just not worth the point investment. Making the king's hunger meter bigger doesn't really do much, and you only get a 15% hunger reduction at 3 points.

This means a good like 1/3 of her skills are just DoA and you never bother actually using them. And the remaining skills feel mandatory but also don't really change how you play Wurt at all.

[DegenerateFurry]

7 hours ago, Milordo said:

The braindead feedback is yours by plugging your ears, not wanting to listen the tons of criticisms done to death to skill trees and attacking an invisible non-existent sentiment that was never thought in the community. 

By several trillion miles, the most frequent "criticism" of skill trees is - and I don't know how you can even pretend this isn't the case, because doing so is like pretending the sky is chartreuse - that Klei is doing character updates (refreshes/skill trees) "when they could be doing <insert something else>". That translates to "I want Klei to be making things I want!".

[RexySeven]

7 hours ago, HellHeater said:

This is year 2032. Klei has decided to updating the game once every year to have more comprehensive and larger updates. Every update features a mob vote for the next year and a character reimagination. This year, Wilson got reimagined. He became the master of alchemy. He can transmute anything and everything into gold and elixir of life (heals for 15 and regenerates 10 more hp overtime, instant use time and works on Wormwood). He is the most efficient at using science points and therefore unlocking tools. He powercreeped into Wigfrid with his bat bat skill, powercreeped into William with his immortal followers skill, powercreeped into Willow with his fire nation heritage skill, powercreeped into both Wolfgang and Wanda with his Fury of The Fallen skill. He also has a thick 12 slot beard skill that can hold spiders, rabbits, frogworms, moonbears, foxes. 

I love that by the year of 2032, Maxwell gets renamed to William and foxes are added
Not usual combined creature hybrid but just "fox"

Also don't forget Wilson's new Sun alignment that lets him grow another hand from his beard to dual wield Ham Bats (That was renamed to Gammon Shank)

[Mike23Ua]

16 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

By several trillion miles, the most frequent "criticism" of skill trees is - and I don't know how you can even pretend this isn't the case, because doing so is like pretending the sky is chartreuse - that Klei is doing character updates (refreshes/skill trees) "when they could be doing <insert something else>". That translates to "I want Klei to be making things I want!".

More like “I want Klei to make more content that can be enjoyed as all playable characters and not just one specific character”

Pretty sure that’s the main reason most people hate the skill trees. Myself included..

However- Wigfrids skill tree gave her stuff her rework should have had & it remains to be seen if Wendy’s skill tree will do anything more than just stat buffs from Abigail.

So of course my criticisms probably stem from the fact content updates feel small & bite-sized because I feel like Klei is trying to juggle between that and reworks/skill trees.

One only needs to look at how drastically Wormwood changed as a character and how much Ahem “fan service” they tried to cram into his tweaks & skill trees to come to the conclusion Klei spends entirely too long on reworks/skill trees.

BUT and I’m being serious about this, next years roadmap will be THE Official 10 Year Anniversary of Dont Starve Together.

And due to the huge update they did to the entire DS+ its DLCs for its 10 year anniversary, I’m expecting some pretty exciting stuff for DST.

But with only 8 characters who have skill trees, and 10 that have NOT been given skill trees (11 if we count Wonkey) and only getting 4 content updates in a Years time with some of those updates not even getting skill trees in them.

It will no joke be at least another year or two years before they finish skill trees.

So I don’t have high hopes for a Huge 10yr Anniversary update for DST.

[Uedo]

3 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

One only needs to look at how drastically Wormwood changed as a character and how much Ahem “fan service” they tried to cram into his tweaks & skill trees to come to the conclusion Klei spends entirely too long on reworks/skill trees.

I think this is the problem. Dst is a game you play, that's it. It's nothing else. No 'fan service' here. It's not a part of your identity and it's telling how much this impacts your life :/