chirsg Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 So basically this guy, but made completely out of shadows. The one that spawns during nightmare cycles while rifts are open. What I'm currently getting is that the only purpose it serves is to drastically deter you from being in the ruins during a nightmare cycle. It does 50 damage to an unarmored wigfrid and upon killing it, there's a high chance you only receive 1 nightmare fuel for your trouble. It seems like the enemy has around 500 hp, but I'm not a coder, so I'm just testing this manually. So if the ruins is in a nightmare phase when rifts are open, basically, gfto. Nice one, Klei. You gain nothing for killing it and it's not uncommon for 2 to spawn. The sensible action is to run, apparently. Fantastic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reiko24 Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 42 minutes ago, chirsg said: So basically this guy, but made completely out of shadows. The one that spawns during nightmare cycles while rifts are open. What I'm currently getting is that the only purpose it serves is to drastically deter you from being in the ruins during a nightmare cycle. It does 50 damage to an unarmored wigfrid and upon killing it, there's a high chance you only receive 1 nightmare fuel for your trouble. It seems like the enemy has around 500 hp, but I'm not a coder, so I'm just testing this manually. So if the ruins is in a nightmare phase when rifts are open, basically, gfto. Nice one, Klei. You gain nothing for killing it and it's not uncommon for 2 to spawn. The sensible action is to run, apparently. Fantastic. skill issue Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wormboi Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 I thought the nightmare phase was always the "GTFO" part the of caves Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted August 23, 2024 Author Share Posted August 23, 2024 8 minutes ago, Reiko24 said: skill issue yeah, thanks for contributing to this thread. Very cool. FYI, I haven't died to the nightmare grub yet. Would be nice to escalate against what you said without getting banned, but I suppose you have a ticket to mistreat people on their thread. Congratulations on that one. You must feel like a real winner. 8 minutes ago, Wormboi said: I thought the nightmare phase was always the "GTFO" part the caves Depends on the character choice. With combat specialists, nightmare phases turn into nightmare fuel farms. But take all that trouble ask risk of an army of nightmare beaks and crawling nightmares and divide the yield by 10. Why even bother with rifts phases? Sure, with weaker combat characters and in this niche, Wortox, you kind of have little business interacting nightmare phases to begin with, but with the addition of the grubmare, unless you want to risk being in the ruins with them, then you're just waiting on time to run out. It's infinitely stupid to me. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaosmonkey Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 I haven't experienced this mob yet, but 2 mobs with 500 hp each don't sound like a big deal. Everything else in the ruins has way more HP anyway, and there's _way more_ than 2 mobs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742581 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 1 hour ago, chirsg said: So basically this guy, but made completely out of shadows. The one that spawns during nightmare cycles while rifts are open. What I'm currently getting is that the only purpose it serves is to drastically deter you from being in the ruins during a nightmare cycle. It does 50 damage to an unarmored wigfrid and upon killing it, there's a high chance you only receive 1 nightmare fuel for your trouble. It seems like the enemy has around 500 hp, but I'm not a coder, so I'm just testing this manually. So if the ruins is in a nightmare phase when rifts are open, basically, gfto. Nice one, Klei. You gain nothing for killing it and it's not uncommon for 2 to spawn. The sensible action is to run, apparently. Fantastic. So it deals the same amount of damage as a terrorbeak and only has 100 more hp I don't see why it's so bad. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 it's 850 hp 11 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: So it deals the same amount of damage as a terrorbeak no, it deals 75 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted August 23, 2024 Author Share Posted August 23, 2024 Just now, grm9 said: it's 850 hp thanks. That's why it felt so tanky. 11 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: So it deals the same amount of damage as a terrorbeak and only has 100 more hp I don't see why it's so bad. terror beaks do not deal 75 damage per hit. that is a complete and utter lie. 13 minutes ago, chaosmonkey said: I haven't experienced this mob yet, but 2 mobs with 500 hp each don't sound like a big deal. Everything else in the ruins has way more HP anyway, and there's _way more_ than 2 mobs. they hit disproportionally hard and they're pretty damn accurate with their strike. They're not good to deal with considering how worthless they are to get rid of. But if it were a choice between stone bridges and revising this terrible and ill conceived mob, I'll take the stone bridge. Or even just scraping the entire caves altogether because the entire server is just made to make surface life easier. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 3 minutes ago, grm9 said: it's 850 hp no, it deals 75 I mean that's still not bad. 1 minute ago, chirsg said: terror beaks do not deal 75 damage per hit. that is a complete and utter lie. My bad I thought I could take you at your word. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
YouKnowWho Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 It's purpose is to serve as a challenge. If you're having trouble, there's this really neat gear you can craft with things from the rifts that might help even up the playing field. Also worth mentioning that it's unfinished. I imagine it'll be dropping pure horror once it's art is updated. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted August 23, 2024 Author Share Posted August 23, 2024 2 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: My bad I thought I could take you at your word. what are you even talking about, dude? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 Just now, chirsg said: what are you even talking about, dude? 1 hour ago, chirsg said: It does 50 damage to an unarmored wigfrid and upon killing it, there's a high chance you only receive 1 nightmare fuel for your trouble. It seems like the enemy has around 500 hp, but I'm not a coder, so I'm just testing this manually. I took this as reference Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted August 23, 2024 Author Share Posted August 23, 2024 Just now, YouKnowWho said: It's purpose is to serve as a challenge. If you're having trouble, there's this really neat gear you can craft with things from the rifts that might help even up the playing field. Also worth mentioning that it's unfinished. I imagine it'll be dropping pure horror once it's art is updated. Challenge for no reason means that you're better off not interacting with it. Why risk a potential death for nothing? This is still a survival game and survival often means risk management. Reward skews risk management in favor of taking risks. If an enemy is more dangerous for absolutely no reward, then on average, you're less inclined to making stupid decisions "just because" It's not sensible to do stupid things for no reason. On the other hand, it's worth it to do stupid things for good yields. Just now, Mysterious box said: I took this as reference 50 HP on unarmored Wigfrid. That means 75 damage on a standard non armored character. Why didn't you factor in all the variables? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 2 minutes ago, chirsg said: 50 HP on unarmored Wigfrid. That means 75 damage on a standard non armored character. Why didn't you factor in all the variables? Because I figured you did I don't remember all the variables at all times there's a lot of characters so once again I refer you back to 8 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: My bad I thought I could take you at your word. Anymore questions? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 Man honestly I just got to ask.. what game are you even playing? When I do a simple task like killing easy to kill Batalisks, sometimes they do not drop any loot at all, when I only went to “deal with” them to try and get batwings to craft bat bats with. RockJaw sharks? Not worth fighting for their loot.. I even feel like the new Giant Worms “loot” will be something that’ll make fighting it not even worth it. But I guess not everything needs to give good “loot” some things are okay to give very bad not worth it loot.. as long as the thing your fighting can sometimes actually be a threat that needs to be killed or flee’d away from to insure your own survival. Also one more thing, this new mob looks like it would’ve been better as a ocean creature than a ruins one.. but that’s my personal opinion. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742652 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wormboi Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 12 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: Also one more thing, this new mob looks like it would’ve been better as a ocean creature than a ruins one.. but that’s my personal opinion. I thought they added a new ocean nightmare creature for a moment too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 1 hour ago, chirsg said: 50 HP on unarmored Wigfrid. That means 75 damage on a standard non armored character. Why didn't you factor in all the variables? Its confusing to add that in. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742683 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted August 23, 2024 Share Posted August 23, 2024 What is this? you talking about the Land Shark that is a nightmare creature? the one with the retaliation attacks? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted August 24, 2024 Author Share Posted August 24, 2024 11 hours ago, Evelo said: What is this? you talking about the Land Shark that is a nightmare creature? the one with the retaliation attacks? Yes. But if you take a close look at it, it is a grub. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742927 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted August 24, 2024 Share Posted August 24, 2024 The funny part is that is complaining when is playing wigfrid Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Nick- Posted August 24, 2024 Share Posted August 24, 2024 1 hour ago, chirsg said: Yes. But if you take a close look at it, it is a grub. no its not, what are you even on. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/159233-oh-boy-here-it-comes-another-criticism-nightmare-grub-that-spawns-in-the-ruins-during-rifts/#findComment-1742948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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