I think we should be able to create ice floes, but how?

[chirsg]

For those who don't know, Ice floes are basically discs of ice that act like boats that stay afloat for 30 seconds. They separate from the ice fishing island which spawns Frostjaw.

I think we should be able to create them somehow.

Should frostjaw source a blueprint so we can carve it out of ice as a recipe, or should there be an ice staff upgrade with the spark ark which creates ice floes that can be recharged with blue gems?

 

Maybe we can get a spark ark upgrade of the strident trident that can be loaded up with different gems and the blue gems happens to be able to create ice floes.

 

This should be in the game somehow, but which way should it be applied?

[_zwb]

3 minutes ago, chirsg said:

I think we should be able to create them somehow.

Do we really need it?

[chirsg]

Just now, _zwb said:

Do we really need it?

Yes. Yes we do. What's your argument?

[Swiyss]

1 minute ago, _zwb said:

Do we really need it?

I don't think so.

[_zwb]

5 minutes ago, chirsg said:

Yes. Yes we do. What's your argument?

If you want a cheap boat we have grass raft. There's no reason for this addition.

Honestly it's a design failure for players to realise this ice sheet is just a boat in disguise.

[chirsg]

I have boats coming out of my ears. I still want an ice floe on demand. 

This game's community really loves to detract from features that don't affect them.

[Master_NiX]

3 minutes ago, chirsg said:

still want an ice floe on demand. 

Penguin Survivor when?

[Captain_Rage]

How does it not affect the rest of players if one player requests redundant features and wants the devs to focus on them?

[_zwb]

5 minutes ago, chirsg said:

features that don't affect them.

Implementing those random ideas takes up development time

[Lokena]

23 minutes ago, _zwb said:

If you want a cheap boat we have grass raft. There's no reason for this addition.

But the ice floe is smaller than a grass raft, isn't it? Small temporary boats have their place. In particular, for planting trees in especially narrow places. At the moment, I can only do this with a mod. And I don't think the question "why this needs to be a thing" is appropriate. There are a ton of things in the game without immediate effective application. It's more about having an item at your disposal and having control over it. People will find a creative use for it, if given the opportunity. I have already mentioned one potential option and I thought about it for like three seconds. It adds options, it looks cool, the objects on the ice floe don't smolder... Hell, people would kill for a full size ice boat, just for protection from summer fires, which would be a nice reward for defeating a boss. And it's all just sharing of an innocent idea. There's no reason to be rude about it.

[chirsg]

I can't win lmao. I try to open up discussion in a civil manner and I get piled on worse than if I try to make a competitive statement. 

You've all got to be in a private hate club against me.

 

Alright, chips on the table for any player who hasn't figured out the role of ice floes on demand.

You can make boats in bodies of water that aren't big enough to facilitate for grass boats. Makes building and landscaping easier. 

 

When I make a new post, the usual suspects are on my threads arguing against me lmao. 

3 minutes ago, _zwb said:

Implementing those random ideas takes up development time

Man, you literally told a lie on the bug report threads and haven't apologized for perpetuating misinformation to the devs. You said the faceless bug was a mod related issue and the moment that was proven to be false, not even a modicum of remorse. You even doubled down that it wasn't worth fixing.

I think you have a problem with me. Instead of taking it out on my posts and ideas, you should take it to personal messages. I think my ideas are fantastic and your vendetta against me is actually hurting the game

[Mike23Ua]

9 minutes ago, _zwb said:

If you want a cheap boat we have grass raft. There's no reason for this addition.

Honestly it's a design failure for players to realise this ice sheet is just a boat in disguise.

I think one of the best uses for a new smaller ice boat would be for it to dissolve into nothingness after a couple short seconds, which sure.. sounds really useless.. but- it would fit into smaller places, and unlike grass rafts wouldn’t leave behind any debris in the waters after sinking.

As a bonus function I suppose they could naturally “Drift” in a forward direction to whichever way players placed them in.

I would legitimately attempt to fight Crab King using that. And more importantly.. I’d probably have FUN doing it.

Provided that the Ice Boats themselves aren’t some super late game craft and can be made entirely of just Ice.

 

 

[chirsg]

2 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I think one of the best uses for a new smaller ice boat would be for it to dissolve into nothingness after a couple short seconds, which sure.. sounds really useless.. but- it would fit into smaller places, and unlike grass rafts wouldn’t leave behind any debris in the waters after sinking.

As a bonus function I suppose they could naturally “Drift” in a forward direction to whichever way players placed them in.

I would legitimately attempt to fight Crab King using that. And more importantly.. I’d probably have FUN doing it.

Provided that the Ice Boats themselves aren’t some super late game craft and can be made entirely of just Ice.

 

 

That's actually a great idea. Instead of reworking a whole entire boss, having ice floes on demand could actually make the crab king a fun fight. Especially if floes are summonable via a method of magic. such as an ice staff.

 

[_zwb]

23 minutes ago, chirsg said:

When I make a new post, the usual suspects are on my threads arguing against me lmao. 

I wouldn't if you gave a reason for this suggestion in the first place. You shouldn't just say "I want xxx in the game" without a justification.

25 minutes ago, Lokena said:

Small temporary boats have their place. In particular, for planting trees in especially narrow places. At the moment, I can only do this with a mod.

You can't do this even with smaller boats, the nut automatically moves to land when dropped in a small body of water...

[Mike23Ua]

8 minutes ago, chirsg said:

That's actually a great idea. Instead of reworking a whole entire boss, having ice floes on demand could actually make the crab king a fun fight. Especially if floes are summonable via a method of magic. such as an ice staff.

 

Not sure how it works on PC but with an Xbox Controller Willows new Ember Perks are an Inventory item that you need to scroll over to in your inventory and then press the “Use” prompt which then gives the player access to an on screen Reticle they can move around to cast the spells with, I think that Klei Probably needs to give just being able to place a boat in water this Same QOL for being able to choose where we place our boat kits.

Annoying Birds and Having to maneuver your character just right to place is sooooo frustrating, like I mean it’s not enjoyable at all… but Willows Casting makes me deeply wish placing boats got the same kind of treatment.

The reason I suggested for Ice Boats to naturally drift forward once the player hops onto them is so that we do not need an Oar to “row” with.

So TL:DR- you can place in a small stream & then drift across to the otherside before the boat melts about 30 seconds later.

another effective use for it would be to put items on it you don’t want that can potentially lag your world down by existing, drift them out into the water and let them sink.

Grass Rafts don’t do that because they still leave behind grass & twigs to cause even more world clutter.

[chirsg]

1 minute ago, _zwb said:

I wouldn't if you gave a reason for this suggestion in the first place. You shouldn't just say "I want xxx in the game" without a justification.

You can't do this even with smaller boats, the nut automatically move to land when drop in a small body of water...

Misinformation strikes again. Please confirm your sources next time, because you stand in the way of the progression of the game. I am convinced you're the reason why the faceless bug never got patched out, because you said it was a mod related bug, which it isn't.

 

 

27 minutes ago, _zwb said:

You can't do this even with smaller boats, the nut automatically moves to land when dropped in a small body of water...

 

 

I had to test with console commands too, in order to see how your claim stacked up against an impossible situation to the extreme and again, your claim has been confirmed incorrect. Do you have anything to say?

[_zwb]

14 minutes ago, chirsg said:

Misinformation strikes again.

By small body of water I meant spaces less than 2x2 square(smaller than grass raft)

15 minutes ago, chirsg said:

you stand in the way of the progression of the game. I am convinced you're the reason why the faceless bug never got patched out, because you said it was a mod related bug, which it isn't.

I can't tell if you're being serious or being funni

[chirsg]

1 minute ago, _zwb said:

By small body of water I meant spaces less than 2x2 square(smaller than grass raft)

Please provide evidence for this. because I have provided evidence that what you say here is false.

[grm9]

if they'll be immune to taking damage from anything other than the constant durability drain, sure, could be good for CK

[_zwb]

2 minutes ago, chirsg said:

Please provide evidence for this. because I have provided evidence that what you say here is false.

I can't, my PC is garbage, can't record a video without setting it on fire.

However you can verify this by making a 1x1 water with docks, put your cursor at the centre of water, open up console by pressing ~, then type c_spawn("oceantreenut"), press enter and you'll see

[chirsg]

2 minutes ago, _zwb said:

However you can verify this by making a 1x1 water with docks, put your cursor at the centre of water, open up console by pressing ~, then type c_spawn("oceantreenut"), press enter and you'll see

Now you're changing the goal posts. You are wrong. 

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, _zwb said:

However you can verify this by making a 1x1 water with docks, put your cursor at the centre of water, open up console by pressing ~, then type c_spawn("oceantreenut"), press enter and you'll see

The video above shows a grass raft inside a space that is 2x2. This can be done legitimately in game. No tricks. If you have the items for it, you can build docks around a grass raft and place tree nuts on the grass raft, destroy the raft and plant nuts that way.

NO ONE ever said anything about spawning or dropping nuts into the water without a boat. 

 

 

 

[_zwb]

28 minutes ago, chirsg said:

a space that is 2x2

I know math is hard but 2x2 square is obviously not smaller than 2x2 square

42 minutes ago, _zwb said:

By small body of water I meant spaces less than 2x2 square(smaller than grass raft)

Ok I'm done here, this thread isn't going anywhere.

[Swiyss]

People that think they are being personally attacked when we are actually attacking their opinions need to grow up ffs.

There is no hate club against you, I just think that a crafted ice float would make no sense and would be useless and a waste of time when there are so many other things that needs fixing now.

It's like you're asking your parents money to throw a party when your grandma is in death bed.

The only real reason for an ice floe is to plant giant trees in very narrow spaces, and that's it.

You only want this in the game because they implemented the ice island, if they didn't do that there would probably be another solution out there for this.

I think it should be possible to plant these giant trees in small ocean gaps, but the ice float is not great imo. There are many better solutions. It would be silly to invest so much time an development for an item that does so little for something that is rarely done in the game.

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

That's actually a great idea. Instead of reworking a whole entire boss, having ice floes on demand could actually make the crab king a fun fight. Especially if floes are summonable via a method of magic. such as an ice staff.

 

I just kill crab king ONCE per world and I use bees and flingos, not a reason to have this item.

Heck, there are a dozen of ways to cheese crab king anyways on yt.

[chirsg]

18 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

People that think they are being personally attacked when we are actually attacking their opinions need to grow up ffs.

 

ZWB habitually goes after my posts. From bug reports to suggestions. It's not hard to see it's personal.

Development time? Come on. That old tune?

 

19 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

Heck, there are a dozen of ways to cheese crab king anyways on yt.

"I cheese crab king. Therefore, legitimate and fun solutions to an unbalanced fight should be scrapped"
thanks.

 

25 minutes ago, _zwb said:

1 hour ago, _zwb said:

By small body of water I meant spaces less than 2x2 square(smaller than grass raft)

Ok I'm done here, this thread isn't going anywhere.

 

1 hour ago, chirsg said:

 

 

[Swiyss]

Unbalanced fight?? Are you out of your mind? I think you're trying to balance the game around solo play, THAT is unbalanced.

Pick 6 players, the max amount a server handles without mods and kill crab king.

You have one person to heal boats, one with ice staves and 4 to hit crabking and his claws. The fight takes 1:30 minutes with 6 wilsons, not even a single damage buff.

The fight is alright and perfect imo. It's fun and exciting. It's hard, but you only have to kill him once.

9 minutes ago, chirsg said:

"I cheese crab king. Therefore, legitimate and fun solutions to an unbalanced fight should be scrapped"
thanks.

I cheese him when I play solo. And it makes the fight easier since I fought him atleast 20 times already. In my book there is no reason to not make something more relaxed and easier when you done it so much already.

Getting experienced in this fight doesn't make me kill him much quicker. It just removes the chance of losing pretty much. So to feel like I'm actually evolving, learning this cheese strat is legitimate since it's not that easy too. You still have to gather things, even more this time. Also you have to discover the strategy, if someone hasn't already, which is undoubtedly not easy.